The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[KyleEverett]

Yeah I agree. Metzen is above Ion. Metzen is ECD of all of warcraft (retail, classic hearthstone, rumble, etc.). Ion is just game director for retail.

I will say I don't think Metzen's the very top. At best he's parallel with Longdale in her role as Executive Producer for all things Warcraft.

[Woke it Up]

MMO Champ front page says 1h, so ...

Takes an hour to assemble the giant Thrall statue on stage after the ceremony, Gundam kitset style

[Jodmos]

MMO Champ front page says 1h, so ...

Yep. Just because there is a two and half hour slot doesn't mean the opening ceremony is two and half hours long.

[Paula Deen]

All aboard!

Great image as always.

[Ferlion]

The Q&A being post Blizzcon is really weird since they've been hyping up a return to Blizzcon. Either they want to use the time for other things, or they're ducking uncomfortable questions from an unhappy playerbase. It's just giving me a bad feeling.

I think this is likely smart.

People are super negative over anything right now, even when it's not deserved, they want to avoid a Red Shirt Guy 3.0...

[Paula Deen]

I don't care if there is any sort of build-up or not. Pandaria was interesting because the story was told in-game. I didn't have to read a book or watch Taliesin explain to me that the "lore of the Thunder King is implied because it was mentioned once in a sentence" - it was told through quests and scenarios *cough* unlike Primals *cough*.

There has not been any content besides two or three almost unrelated short stories outside of the game since Dragonflight's launch. The book for Dragonflight isn't even out yet, comes out next week just ahead of Blizzcon and it seems to just be explaining with more depth what we already learned ingame; Alex was an asshole who usurped her kins will and it caused a bunch of dragons to fight a war they ultimately lost.

Edit: Or did you literally mean the WoD/Draenor Primals?

[milkmustache]

Fuck it, I'm going full copium.

2nd pic is the Hinterlands/Khaz Modan revamp, no clue who that dwarf is.

3rd pic in the leak is Durotar, the humanoid in the back is a Mok'nathal playable race.

4th pic is Un'goro Crater.

I'm going full copium, full denialist. We're getting a revamp.

[Hitei]

Fuck it, I"m going full copium.

2nd pic is the Hinterlands/Khaz Modan revamp, no clue who that dwarf is.

3rd pic in the leak is Durotar, the humanoid in the back is a Mok'nathal playable race.

4th pic is Un'goro Crater.

I'm going full copium, full denialist. We're getting a revamp.

And the revamp increases EK and Kalimdor to three times their original size.

[Well Done Steak]

Chen's Empty Keg (Vanilla)


Pandaren XPress (Vanilla)



NPC "Justin" talks about Pandaren (Vanilla)


And here's all the references from WotLK;



Zero build up? Nah.

I mean BUILD UP. Like how wod built up legion or the Sylvania arc in legion and bfa build up shadowlands.

Not some bread crumbs spread out in obscure places.

[Rathwell]

And the revamp increases EK and Kalimdor to three times their original size.

And proper High Elves for the Alliance, for no particular reason, while we're at it!

[Paula Deen]

I mean BUILD UP. Like how wod built up legion or the Sylvania arc in legion and bfa build up shadowlands.

Not some bread crumbs spread out in obscure places.

NO NO NO! You do not understand. Those bread crumbs aren't the same as the Dragon Isles or Avaloren Bread Crumbs. They are different older Bread Crumbs so its ok.

And yes. They count as build up. Yeasty Build Up.

Sarcasm

[Nyel]

Remember, in the opening ceremony they could very well talk about Blizzard now being part of Microsoft, what’s going to change and what’s going to happen in 2024 with Blizzard games. I’d even say it’s very likely that they’ll talk about this stuff during Blizzcon because it’s now simply their business structure. They could easily talk half an hour about the new opportunities from this deal and what it means for future development and releases.

[Dismayxz]

You can't just say any dissenting stance is an echo chamber: A subsequent product selling poorly after the previous product was widely panned is just common sense. That reflects on Shadowlands, not Dragonflight. I'm sure the next expansion will sell better than Dragonflight because Dragonflight was a quality expansion.
Yes it is. The WoW Game Director & President of Blizzard were literally professional WoW raiders.

Ion was with Elitist Jerks, which means he was a "professional WoW Raider" during a time where that term didn't even so much as exist. He and his guild fell off a cliff way before anything got remotely professional. He's just done Raiding for a long time and likes it, which happened to align very well with his eventual positions at Blizzard. And this is the first time I've heard of Qwik being a professional at anything in game (no flame). He's really into M+ pushing, but not part of a "Professional" Team, he just does the Title Push, which is a completely different format from professional MDI/M+ or Raid stuff. No clue where he is atm guild wise, since Qwik is no longer a character in Denial of Service, but his last Raiding Guild by that nature, wasn't insanely close to Famed Slayer at any point either, at least as recently as Shadowlands + Dragonflight so far.

Neither of these two has even done anything that would come close to professionally playing the Game. Hitting Seasonal Cutoffs isn't professional, it's just a gradual time investment, but I'm sure it looks professional to some.

[Paula Deen]

Remember, in the opening ceremony they could very well talk about Blizzard now being part of Microsoft, what’s going to change and what’s going to happen in 2024 with Blizzard games. I’d even say it’s very likely that they’ll talk about this stuff during Blizzcon because it’s now simply their business structure. They could easily talk half an hour about the new opportunities from this deal and what it means for future development and releases.

I am willing to bet money you won't hear a peep about it outside of maybe an opening remark until next Blizzcon.

[Lady Atia]

I mean BUILD UP. Like how wod built up legion or the Sylvania arc in legion and bfa build up shadowlands.

Not some bread crumbs spread out in obscure places.

Sylvanas never had propper build up in BfA though, her arc was just raped by Afrasiabi lol. Legion Sylvanas was cool, but they literally had to write a book trying to stitching together her story lines just to make some kind of sense ....

[Woke it Up]

Its insane. Not to go off topic but Star Wars is another good example. People really are polarized on The Last Jedi.

When it came out I hated it. Most of my friends still hate it. I have rewatched it since it came out. My opinion has changed. I think it is the first movie in the entire franchise that tried something new. Rich Evan's of Red Letter Media said it best in their review of the movie; What they did to Luke Skywalker was unexpected. I think it made the movie better but many people are still furious, to this day, for the portrayal of Luke in that movie.

Same, last jedi definitely made some dumb choices sometimes, but giving luke agency, after he watched obi wan do the same. It set up such a high stakes situation and then the last movie just reset everything. I re-watch spider verse way more than I should and just the art and offbeat story is refreshing.

[blaatschaap]

Its insane. Not to go off topic but Star Wars is another good example. People really are polarized on The Last Jedi.

When it came out I hated it. Most of my friends still hate it. I have rewatched it since it came out. My opinion has changed. I think it is the first movie in the entire franchise that tried something new. Rich Evan's of Red Letter Media said it best in their review of the movie; What they did to Luke Skywalker was unexpected. I think it made the movie better but many people are still furious, to this day, for the portrayal of Luke in that movie.

People hate stagnant content. People also hate new things.
Moral: People are fucking dumb.


And thats on you because in most circles and polls about the health of Warcraft and the highlights of peoples times the two most mentioned expansions in terms of quality are Pandaria and Lich King. The narrative in this thread is that Pandaria had such low sales at launch (The lowest at that point) but the narrative never points out that 5.4 is the second time in the games entire history that the game gained MILLIONS of players during a content Drought. (I believe it was Q1 2014).

MoP is the worst selling expac ever, other than TBC (but during the first two years the playerbase was still growing rapidly.) That's an undisputed fact. Sub numbers also shrank a lot post Cata, a resurgence of sub numbers very late in the expansion cycle doesn't change any of those facts, nor does ten year retrospectives of expac appreciation. The bean counters don't see that reflected in moneys

[DiscipleofCazicThule]

Wow, turn your back a day or so and the thread blows up. I did my best to catch up, but let's see if I missed anything.

I caught the doomsayers come back to tell us how WoW is dying.
People screaming into the Teriz void.
A new "leak" of four images that follow the previous "mobile leak"
A leaker trying to ride the coattails of said leak with their leak, which sounds terrible, imo.
The Blizzcon schedule.
Me finally taking the time to get the Vengeful Chicken from Waycrest Manor

That covers everything? Was there anything I missed?

[Northelim]

Sylvanas never had propper build up in BfA though, her arc was just raped by Afrasiabi lol. Legion Sylvanas was cool, but they literally had to write a book trying to stitching together her story lines just to make some kind of sense ....

Sylvanas got completely butchered. Very unfortunate, as she is used to be a fans favorite and a classical WC3 character similar to Arthas. Arthas and Sylvanas are probably the most beloved characters and Illidan of course. I'd say those are the top 3 with Arthas being #1. Very unfortunate what they did too her and Steve Denasur is constantly high of his own farts. I hope Chris fixes this fucking mess.

[milkmustache]

You've made it big @ercarp