The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Paula Deen]

9/10 people thinking the leak is real say in the same sentence that they’re whelmed and it looks mid af. So… I’ve seen one (1) person here being excited about it, but that person is basically excited about a can of worms as long as it distantly remembers Warcraft.

But yes, people will love what is announced, because it won’t be this terrible Avaloren shit.

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Fixed that sentence for you.

Im so confused what standard you have set here? You sound like a petulant kid whining that the blue icing on his birthday cake is sky blue instead of navy. Like what do you see in those images that tells you the game is mid? Its 4 still images. You know nothing (If it is real) besides what is visible in those 4 images.

The different here is that I don't think you have an attainable standard. Im not saying to expect nothing, but if you just assume shit you are gonna be let down.

[Bwgmon]

Just came in here to say that the Avaloren leak looks mid as fuck which means it'll probably be the proper leak, LUL

Ah, another one for the pile.

[Chickat]

You know, maybe it's just time we accept wow IS and HAS been on maintenance mode and we were all too blind to see it.

I know doomer point of view but it's really not wrong.

Weak narrative for 3+ expansions, generic set pieces that very well could be made by AI tools the developers use to flush out areas after creating a few very small set pieces(every DF zone has 1-2 big pieces then giant empty easily AI generated landscapes to fill the void.), the weakest and easily the cheapest produced intro cutscene in wows history was dragonflights, etc. The list really does go on.

Are we just all chasing copium at this point as blizz tosses low hanging fruit to keep the fans half assed engaged as they work on a much bigger and much better project we just aren't expecting?

In maintenance mode but the highest dev count in WoW history? Sure buddy.

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Legion introduced Mythic+ and that alone is bigger than anything Dragonflight brought into the game, especially with how important Mythic+ is to this day.

And world quests.

[Hitei]

Just came in here to say that the Avaloren leak looks mid as fuck which means it'll probably be the proper leak, LUL

I quit the game ages ago but I still think it's a damn shame to see what the game has become. It is all sunshine and rainbows compared to the dark and gritty expansions of the past, goes to show how incompetent and immature the game direction has gotten.

What a joke, lmao

You should really find someone to talk to about your wow-related trauma.

[Chickat]

I feel the crafting system in Dragonflight is pretty huge.

Its great but pointless to participate in for 95% of players due to the work order system. Anything of value is crafted through that, and no one wants to wait 2 hours just to get a work order and make 500g.

[Colonel Sandor]

I miss when we would get blurry photos of fakes like this:



It keeps things interesting.

[Chickat]

Did ShadowLands have any system they continued in DF?

Uh, renown, torghast randomize element used in the tower of forbidden reach. Im sure theres more too.

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LOL how could I forget world quests like honestly, that’s as big as Mythic+ and one of the cornerstones of WoWs content.

No expansion comes even close to what Legion brought to the game and is still used nowadays. From Dragonflight the new talent trees will be the only lasting impression, maybe, maybe Dragonriding. But as soon as normal flying is possible again, I’m sure 90% of players will just use that.

You think 90% of players will use normal flying when thats less than half as fast as Dragon riding?

Tbh I do think they need to update normal flying speed to like 500% from 310% but I dont see a lot of normal players using Normal flying that often??

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It'll be a matter of preference, I know people who will speedrun pathfinder and people (including myself) that can't wait for dynamic flight in the rest of the world.

It will be good to have options.

Like I said though, they could at least make normal flying half as fast as dragon riding. Normal flying needs a speed boost.

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After collecting Halloween Buckets, I can't believe how awful old flying feels.

Yeah, recently i got on a transmog farm kick, but within a few days i stopped. Not because i wanst enjoying myself, but because normal flying is so slow. Im gonna resume tmog farming when we get Dragonriding in the old world.

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First off, "massive land masses" is an interesting thing to claim with Legion and BFA specifically since those expansions were known for having more condensed zones, especially with the Broken Isles. I remember perusing this exact forum with complains about how everything felt on top of each other and too close with no open space compared to WoD Draenor, Northrend, or Pandaria. They addressed this with the Dragon Isles (although I would enjoy even more open space personally).

Second, they also addressed this whole idea of "new and innovative" ideas saying that they were going with a modular approach of a system being developed soley for that expansion. This started with the bare-bones Pandaria Farm, then you get the WoD Garrison, and then finally, they jump feet first into the modular design with Legion, BFA, and SL systems. Players lost their god damn minds and so they tried to react to that criticism with Dragonflight by going back to the basics. DF builds a solid base-line revamp of the UI, talent system, and basic PvE systems with some additional focus on outdoor content and Mythic+ rotation. Now, they can build on that with evergreen innovation rather than the modular shit.

AND NOW, people are judging the SYSTEMS of the next expansion based on four fucking images that may or may not be real. I think they probably are, and if they are, they look kind of cool. But the meat isn't known. No systems, no updates, nothing. And yet, people are saying the game has lost all this prestige that Legion and BFA had???? I've been reading these forums since Cata got leaked here, and it's actually insane the mental leaps and cycling of doom you see with posts like this.

I made a fake leak this expansion round because I thought it was fun, but god damn is this leak season especially depressing with the vitriol and misinformation just going around (ironic, I know, since this post is kind of vitriolic and I made a fake leak). Anyways, WoW isn't the same as it was, but it isn't dead nor dying. People begged for a return to the basics. Now, people are begging for new and innovative systems. And then when they come out, they'll complain that it isn't truly Warcraft. And then they'll beg for a return to basics.

WoW is different to everyone. Some want the 'Hair-metal' vibe of the 2000s era of Warcraft. Others want the more competitive and stream-lined focus of the 2010s. And now you have fans that are really focused on the collection side and more 'feel-good' vibes that are popular in pop-culture. You even have a few who are persistent that their specific race in WoW is what truly makes the game special (Undermine fanatics, Night-elf fascists, Forsaken genocide deniers, Orc fetishists). And that's all cool. WoW will never have one defining trait. But if you're going to criticize the game, which the game needs and thrives on, at least be factual and do so in good-faith rather than jump at whatever buzz words or concepts you can.

Well, individually BFA continents were smallest ever, but combined they make up one of the largest expansion land masses.

[Zers Editor]

And we've been told in a recent interview that Vyranoth will have a lot of questions for him once he's revived, so his answers will probably be important.

I'd like to know what will make him answer any of them if that's the way, especially with his pursuit to keep sensitive things unravelled. Unless he is converted to our side after attempting smth reckless/bad.

[Chickat]

They could have seen that the azerite race aspect of Islands was a bad gameplay fit for their concept and added an exploration mode. Double the required Azerite to complete and remove the opposing team. Allow people to just go in solo or with just two people (even in the Mythic difficulty).

Warfronts would admittedly require a bigger alteration. Imo, reducing the group size to 10 and then tripling the number of troops you can have, plus adding some passive resource gain would be enough.

For Islands. Remove the timer. Remove the enemy team. Add random events and procedural generation like Torghast. Add quests and goals that change each time you enter.

[Bwgmon]

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You're trying way too hard lmao.

Getting back on topic, just 5 days to go boyos! Can't wait for leak season to be over and done and dead for 2 years.

[Hitei]

You should 100% find a good psychologist to talk to if you still play WoW in 2023, it is just sad at that point and I am not even trying to get a "gotcha" moment here.
I legitimately think that every single one of you suffer from some extreme mental illness if you're 30+ and still playing this dogshit.

These developers have pissed all over you for Y E A R S and you still hope that the game will turn around and become great again.
WoW players are the biggest broken records in the entire industry by far.


This'll be my last message here until I come back to laugh at you in another 2 years when the next joke of an expansion is revealed. See ya guys, I'll take my ban and sign off o7


GG

You post like someone who just got out of a bitter divorce and is painfully desperate to prove they're over their ex and doing fine--complete with losing your shit over other people being interested and lashing out to try and convince yourself you totally aren't. Only instead of a long term very significant interpersonal relationship, you're obsessing over, and unable to move past, a video game that you supposedly quit playing five years ago.

I'm not memeing, you should genuinely consider finding someone to talk to.

[Chickat]

For me, the best addition in DF s the flightstone reward system, especially the 10.2 version. It adds a solo advancement system that should let solo players to reach champion 8/8, it has made gear from so many different versions of content be possibly useful.

I agree, but I think they need to simplify it a bit more. We dont need 5 currencies. Maybe 3.

1 currency to replace flightstones. So maybe Justice points.
1 currency for lfr and normal tier ilevs.
1 currency for heroic and mythic ilevs.

A player doing heroic raids will be able to upgrade their gear to mythic ilev just by doing heroics, but it will take twice as long as it would for a mythic raider.

Also LFR players can update their gear to high normal mode item levels, but it will take them longer than it would for normal raiders to do the same.


World quests,heroic dungeons, mythic0s, reward a lot of the base currency, and a good amount of lfr/normal tier currency.

Elite world quests, mythic 5-10, lfr, normal Drop a lot of normal tier currency.

Normal raids start dropping the highest currency, but a very small amount of it. It would be enough to get 1 or even less than 1 upgrade a week.

Mythic 10+, heroic raids, mythic raids drop the top tier currency.

With mythic15+ and mythic raids dropping a lot of it.

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"Didn't play the game"

Ive completed all levels of content this patch. You're deluded if you think that you're in the right here. Blatant fanboyism.

Elite in PvP
Ksm/KS Hero in M+
Mythic Raider of current tier

What else is needed to have a valid critique on the game in your eyes?

Are you really so easily impressed with a bullshit crafting revamp that added unneeded rankings like a mobile game and turned formerly boe items into bop items with rejected azerite traits yet think this is somehow a good design? There are people who really like this shit? Seriously?

If the game is so bad why are you playing it? You seem to have accomplished a lot, but you are miserable? Maybe quit?

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On the talent tree discussion while it definitely did take a significant amount of dev time (and will continue taking dev time for at least one more expansion since most of their beta concepts needed to be scrapped), it also is a base system, that is a root system that makes the game function. It is not exactly additional content. It enhances how you play the game; it doesn't give you new ways to play the game.

Using that logic, Artifact weapons talent trees are also a base system.
And world quests are also a base system since we always had dailies and quests.
And Mythic+ is also a base system, cause its just minor changes to dungeon format.

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Honestly, some people really underestimate the value of updating the systems.

Updating the Trees to a modern day standards is half the thing: the more important half is having easy scalable system to build upon in future.
All those minor and not updates and interfaces are very valuable to a long-term health of the game.

It wouldn't be good to have two expansions like this in a row, but I respect DF for modernizing the systems

And the talent update especially was WIDELY praised at launch and still is. Its the best iteration of talents the game has ever had, and its not even close.

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I would love to see a "leak" that is just entirely opposite the one we have (circulating around). For example, Void vs. Light, another dimension/planet, anything. Just something different to speculate on!

I should do an off the wall Xoroth leak. No one will ever see that coming.

[kavikor]

Only works when stuff is exciting though. The 4 screenshots didn’t create any hype, they created resentment. At least in this thread.

Im pretty excited for it, but i would be excited for most leaks

[Colonel Sandor]

You're trying way too hard lmao.

Getting back on topic, just 5 days to go boyos! Can't wait for leak season to be over and done and dead for 2 years.

Leak season is the best time to be a WoW fan. Brings so much life and discussion around the game.

[Chickat]

Yeah, as I said it'd have to be a very visual leak (one that isn't obvious AI) or a Blizzard-sourced one, and those are relatively hard to come by.

I do think there's some more discussion to be had about this post as it's been racking my brain a bit as it doesn't make complete sense yet how the Chinese NY retail mount in the 12mo sub bundle can match up with a wood-themed mount and pet in Classic, nor how the also wood-themed Fyrn pet and its related mount (probably the retail chinese NY mount) relate to it all.



It's not something that provides any context/hints for future content, so it's hardly very interesting for the speculation thread. A very short TL;DR is that they've been updating the layer that interfaces with your GPU with a layer they use in other games since Shadowlands, and more recently have been working on tech that allows for hotfixing files/applying (minor) patches while in-game as well as hints of new/improved file formats for models that they've been working on since Legion.

There's also of course stuff that is already generally known like improving how they encrypt things, the input system, the improved seamless teleports they started doing in Shadowlands and improved upon in DF and more specifically Zaralek.

Reading all of this makes the people asking for a new Engine look dumb imo. If they can do all of this stuff to the old Engine, is it really an old engine at that point? Its so custom for WoW at this point, it would probably be a hindrance in content creating and development for at least a year or two while devs got used to the new stuff, not to mention the year or two it would take to port all of wow over to a new engine.

So if they can keep updating it like they are, I fail to see why they even need a new engine.

[Bwgmon]

Leak season is the best time to be a WoW fan. Brings so much life and discussion around the game.

Sure, this one wore itself out incredibly quickly though, thanks in part to the advent of ChatGPT and various AI imaging tools. I'm hoping the novelty of those die down a bit in time for 2025's season.

[Izalla]

Well this thread had a stroke tonight huh?

[Colonel Sandor]

Well this thread had a stroke tonight huh?

There were a few arguments that shitposting couldn't fix.

But I think we're back.

[Chickat]

I just hope we dont get Dynamic flight in new zones from start, it kills immersion really. Best way for me would be like TBC and WOTLK, level up without flying then buy/gain flying once you reach max level.

I somewhat agree, but I think thats probably an unpopular opinion.

As long as alts got to fly at 70 if you have an 80 it would probably be ok.

[NoTimeToDie5426]

I somewhat agree, but I think thats probably an unpopular opinion.

As long as alts got to fly at 70 if you have an 80 it would probably be ok.

It may be a more popular opinion than you think huehue