The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Hitei]

I don't like people giving Rogue and DH Support specs. It reeks of being classically terrible at ideas. This fanbase has a habit of assuming "new thing" will dictate every future thing.

The two classes with the most emphasis on being a solitary fighter or loner, with "selfish DPS" literally an original design philosophy of Rogue. DH has PvP bonuses for fighting alone. That really doesn't lend itself to Support. There's PLENTY of classes you could logically give Support to. Priest, Shaman, Warrior even, but Rogue and DH are probably two of the least fitting.

Both those classes have a long history of working in collaborative organizations and acting in a support role within conflicts.

[SloidVoid]

I want a leak that says "total monk rework"

[Zankai27]

Both those classes have a long history of working in collaborative organizations and acting in a support role within conflicts.

You can argue that for every class. That's not a great angle for why they need a Support spec over the others.

[Ferlion]

You can argue that for every class. That's not a great angle for why they need a Support spec over the others.

I agree with Demon Hunter...

But rogue is always kind of there for support and utility.

[Zankai27]

I agree with Demon Hunter...

But rogue is always kind of there for support and utility.

Maybe? It's really NOT a strong sell. Shaman literally have totems that perform Support functions, Warriors have Shouts to help their group. You could easily create a Holy DPS spec for Priest that has Support elements with it making total sense.

At the end of the day it's just the creatively bankrupt side of the fandom trying to force a Bard spec onto Rogue.

[Fentawow]

I don't like people giving Rogue and DH Support specs. It reeks of being classically terrible at ideas. This fanbase has a habit of assuming "new thing" will dictate every future thing.

The two classes with the most emphasis on being a solitary fighter or loner, with "selfish DPS" literally an original design philosophy of Rogue. DH has PvP bonuses for fighting alone. That really doesn't lend itself to Support. There's PLENTY of classes you could logically give Support to. Priest, Shaman, Warrior even, but Rogue and DH are probably two of the least fitting.

DH spec "leak" wasnt support but a mid range DPS.
Rogue was bard.


I think you could pretty easily add supports to:
Rogue if you wanted to put Bard there
Monk
Shaman
Paladin
Warrior

I would say druid but honestly 5 specs is too much they are capped. They really need more than just aug as it really limits group composition at the high end unless they make aug terrible or make it not a support spec as much as a reg dps that does just slightly less damage but has buffs that compensate and help in a timely manner.

[lostsoup]

Blizzard has a frankly horrible track record with fulfilling race requests. I'd like to see them add some actual community requested races like Ogres, Broken, Sethrak, Vrykul, Naga, etc. for once instead of adding things like Mechagnomes and Dracthyr.

I'd like to see them make more experimental content like Islands and Torghast again, but not tied directly to player power this time around. Could be a way to get Flightstones/Crests, grant cosmetics, just more stuff to do that's not invasion style world content.

[Colonel Sandor]

I think i'm one of the few who doesn't see support "specs" every being a thing.

They can simply make pre-existing class buffs relevant (Paladins and Shaman etc) again and avoid the monumental task of creating whole new specs for buffs.

A support "spec" doesn't fit the WoW mold for group content, especially when they already have it's core essence built into pre-existing classes.

[Ersula]

A support "spec" doesn't fit the WoW mold for group content, especially when they already have it's core essence built into pre-existing classes.

Augmentation has been extremely well received. Why are so many people saying "it's just wouldn't work" when it has already worked.

Though I do see a problem when they add more support specs. When all the dps slots are support it doesn't feel right. Either they need to fix that, or I see all specs being on a spectrum of full dps versus support, with Augmentation being the biggest support extreme on that scale.

[Zankai27]

Augmentation has been extremely well received. Why are so many people saying "it's just wouldn't work" when it has already worked.

Though I do see a problem when they add more support specs. When all the dps slots are support it doesn't feel right. Either they need to fix that, or I see all specs being on a spectrum of full dps versus support, with Augmentation being the biggest support extreme on that scale.

I'm gonna guess the people saying it doesn't work haven't played the game

[Ferlion]

Maybe? It's really NOT a strong sell. Shaman literally have totems that perform Support functions, Warriors have Shouts to help their group. You could easily create a Holy DPS spec for Priest that has Support elements with it making total sense.

At the end of the day it's just the creatively bankrupt side of the fandom trying to force a Bard spec onto Rogue.

Sure.

I can think a rogue would be a good fit for a support spec, while still thinking a bard is a terrible option for a rogue.

[Eeram]

I want a leak that says "total monk rework"

World of warcraft Secrets of Azeroth
Monk Rework
LvL80

[Ashapls]

Sure.

I can think a rogue would be a good fit for a support spec, while still thinking a bard is a terrible option for a rogue.

True, bard is a hard fit into WoW when there is little to no established music-magic that I can think of. Warrior shouts are closest, so give them bard?

Rogue would be better to have an Opportunist or Infiltrator support spec. I’m not a game designer no idea what it would mechanically look like.

[Kiivar86]

I want a leak that says "total monk rework"

I like Windwalker monk though...mostly.

Hate that stupid statue thing though. Faeline stomp is iffy too. I do love the visual though.

Honestly one thing I would like for monks though is more of an aesthetic rework. Make it more agnostic I suppose. Mainly because I'm getting real tired of the same sorta head gear and chi balls for armor that we've gotten for the most part.

And while I'm at it, I'll again repeat my hope of some sorta spell customization thing (more than we can do I mean). I want to color my spells at the bare minimum. That'd be swell.

[Ersula]

True, bard is a hard fit into WoW when there is little to no established music-magic that I can think of. Warrior shouts are closest, so give them bard?

I mean, Evokers weren't based on existing game mechanics.

[Kiivar86]

On top of what Ersula posted, there is of course Murmur too, when it comes to sound at least.

[Eldryth]

I don't like people giving Rogue and DH Support specs. It reeks of being classically terrible at ideas. This fanbase has a habit of assuming "new thing" will dictate every future thing.

The two classes with the most emphasis on being a solitary fighter or loner, with "selfish DPS" literally an original design philosophy of Rogue. DH has PvP bonuses for fighting alone. That really doesn't lend itself to Support. There's PLENTY of classes you could logically give Support to. Priest, Shaman, Warrior even, but Rogue and DH are probably two of the least fitting.

I think Rogue fits well enough- whether it's Bard (like it or not, it's a popular enough archetype and that's the only way I can see it happening in WoW) or a different approach.

Demon Hunter is a stranger fit, but I don't think it's impossible to make it work, and I do think they're the class that could use an additional spec the most right now since they still only have two. A long-range DPS spec that uses a bow (like some Hearthstone cards) might be a better fit, but maybe something like buffing allies with your demonic power could work if they're prioritizing support options?

[Ashapls]

lol. anything in those photos using music magic, or expressing any sort of gameplay foundation for bard? Instruments existing =\= bard

[Floot]

Augmentation has been extremely well received. Why are so many people saying "it's just wouldn't work" when it has already worked.

Though I do see a problem when they add more support specs. When all the dps slots are support it doesn't feel right. Either they need to fix that, or I see all specs being on a spectrum of full dps versus support, with Augmentation being the biggest support extreme on that scale.

Exactly, which is the main reason there is an urgency for them to start handing out the spec to different classes too, unless they're fine with one very specific class holding unto a monopoly and occupying 20% of mythic+ groups for eternity with it.

Whatever the new expansion will bring, chances are extremely high they'll announce new support specs for different classes.

[DrIvoRobotnik]

lol. anything in those photos using music magic, or expressing any sort of gameplay foundation for bard? Instruments existing =\= bard

I... that is literally what a Bard is. They channel magic using instruments and their voice in the form of songs, shouts, and whispers.