The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makorus]

The bottom two already are showing more unique architecture and assets.

Sure, but those images definitely don't make Legion seem exciting or innovative.

[KyleEverett]

The first thing was the website leak.

The next thing were this guy posting.

Then came the images like a solid few days after.

Notice how the text leak references "Art looked like jungle, desert, snowy peaks and rocky peaks.", and surprise surprise, that's the four zones from the images.

Okay, I missed the Algarstorms guy. I had some personal things going on on the 18th that kept me offline and this thread has been moving 50+ pages a day lately it feels.

So add that to the most recent SoA leak that also includes the Moth-like Green Dragons.

I'll note the website leak guy still only has 1 post and hasn't been banned. I suppose they could be using multiple IPs to evade detection from the mods.

[NikolaiShade]

That’s my thing though. If it’s Arthurian themed, how does a jungle and desert fit in? It’s just so theme park if they go that route.

If it’s a true Arthurian inspired landmass then what we should really get should be:

- Camelot zone with meadows, rolling hills, plains, enchanted woods, mushroom forests, lakes, fairy glades.
- A dark foreboding swamp
- Some sort of mountainous region

I just don’t get how a jungle and desert fit with the Arthurian theme of which pretty much all of us assumed would come with a land called Avaloren.

I remain of my idea that whatever races we will ever find in avaloren will be titan-forged (is this the right term, I'll have to check) influenced by life. pretty much the direhorn, maybe more wooden. If the Algarian Earthens are wooden they could be the coolest dwarves after the wildhammers for me.

edit: was mostly right, it's titan-forged with an "-"

[Sondrelk]

Dunno, saying these shots are any more interesting than the Avaloren screenshots is kinda reaching.

Possibly, though in this case you would also have to consider what zones we would have had before Legion was announced.
First image could probably be faked, but the second has new assets in a new kind of environment that I don't think we had before that expansion. Third image have the weird moose turen that probably could be faked, but also the hut behind in an environment that also didn't really exist before that.
Fourth image is also something new and unique. Really vibrant greens and Nelf architecture like this is something that probably only existed in Ashenvale, which uses old Vanilla assets, and would therefore take a lot of effort to make it look this good.

Three out of four show something entirely new at the time Legion came out. Often several things in the same picture. And all things that take significantly more effort to create than just basic landscape or static model editing.

[Santandame]

Okay, I missed the Algarstorms guy. I had some personal things going on on the 18th that kept me offline and this thread has been moving 50+ pages a day lately it feels.

So add that to the most recent SoA leak that also includes the Moth-like Green Dragons.

I'll note the website leak guy still only has 1 post and hasn't been banned. I suppose they could be using multiple IPs to evade detection from the mods.

I honestly think it’s either a collaborative effort or others piggybacking off other ideas like we had with people acting like they were in cahoots with Scaleface last leak season.

I think it’s pretty telling that all of those leaks featuring storms, dwarf variants, green dragon variants etc have all popped up after the pre-order mount was datamined and the in-game lore books informed us of the the land west surrounded by storms and the green dragon flying there with the theory they started a new brood.

This is basic shit. I’m surprised people are so conflicted on the validity of these leaks.

[KyleEverett]

I'm not thinking Avaloren is in any way inspired by Celtic mythology. It doesn't exactly fit in with their current Norse inspiration for Keepers, nor do Dwarves feel very Celtic.

I'd be a cool parallel for the name, but I think the writers just picked it because Avalon is sometimes called an Island in the mists and is mysterious.

[MCMLXXXII]

Legion screenshots:

[Fahrad Wagner]

I honestly think it’s either a collaborative effort or others piggybacking off other ideas like we had with people acting like they were in cahoots with Scaleface last leak season.

I think it’s pretty telling that all of those leaks featuring storms, dwarf variants, green dragon variants etc have all popped up after the pre-order mount was datamined and the in-game lore books informed us of the the land west surrounded by storms and the green dragon flying there with the theory they started a new brood.

This is basic shit. I’m surprised people are so conflicted on the validity of these leaks.

This precisely. I'm not even sure we're facing one leakers, more like two or three doing their thing but walking in the same direction

[Santandame]

Legion screenshots:

So, Stormwind, Karazhan, the dark portal. Well known landmarks we know exist. Your point is?

[NikolaiShade]

I'm not thinking Avaloren is in any way inspired by Celtic mythology. It doesn't exactly fit in with their current Norse inspiration for Keepers, nor do Dwarves feel very Celtic.

I'd be a cool parallel for the name, but I think the writers just picked it because Avalon is sometimes called an Island in the mists and is mysterious.

I never meant celtic, just arthurian, as in a king in a castle with a round table and knights, we could say a more hollywood take on the matter. Anyway remember Ra had anubisaths at his command, so they took inspiration from egyptian mytholgy too

[Fahrad Wagner]

So, Stormwind, Karazhan, the dark portal. Well known landmarks we know exist. Your point is?

I think his point his we can't deduce anything from 4 screenshots + screenshots can be very underwhelming but still be real.
Although if I may- these are screenshots from the trailer, correct? The SoA alleged leak screenshots are more like press material/website-related, so we're comparing apples and oranges here

[Oatmeel]

Entertaining the idea that it is real, any thoughts on what the Agg’ora are?

I could see them being half-ogres like the Mok’nathal, but descended from remnants of Gul’dan’s Stormreaver clan (some group of them that were lost at sea during the Second War) that somehow found their way to Avaloren. Maybe their ancestors, cut off from fel magic and seeking a return to the old ways, pled with the elements and were cleansed of the fel but became partially infused with stone instead. They became bound to the land and charged with protecting it. Another instance, like Thrall’s Horde, of Draenic immigrants reconnecting with the elements via Azeroth, but predating the Horde’s return to shamanism by a couple decades or whatever.

Their visuals and name sound so orc/ogre inspired, I can’t really think of what else they might be.

Also, maybe the Wild God Agamaggan (boar) hangs out here?

[MCMLXXXII]

So, Stormwind, Karazhan, the dark portal. Well known landmarks we know exist. Your point is?

That 4 screenshots will never tell how a expansion is going to be.
I'm still leaning towards those 4 leaked are fake but they do not tell anything about what is going to be revealed. We don't even know, if they are real, if they come from the announcement trailer. We only know that they are four random screenshots and people are connecting it to an obviously fake website leak.

[Santandame]

I'm not thinking Avaloren is in any way inspired by Celtic mythology. It doesn't exactly fit in with their current Norse inspiration for Keepers, nor do Dwarves feel very Celtic.

I'd be a cool parallel for the name, but I think the writers just picked it because Avalon is sometimes called an Island in the mists and is mysterious.

Titan Keepers and Titanforged races take inspiration from several different cultures.

- We have Norse with Odyn, Thorim, Hodir etc.
- Ra’den and the Titanforged in Uldum/Halls of Origination are Egyptian themed.
- Khoranos is Ancient Greece.
- Mogu are Mongolian.

[shade3891]

I'm not thinking Avaloren is in any way inspired by Celtic mythology. It doesn't exactly fit in with their current Norse inspiration for Keepers, nor do Dwarves feel very Celtic.

I'd be a cool parallel for the name, but I think the writers just picked it because Avalon is sometimes called an Island in the mists and is mysterious.

I'm guessing we get a Japanese style, the hidden dragon mount silhouette gives me that vibe.

[KyleEverett]

Entertaining the idea that it is real, any thoughts on what the Agg’ora are?

I could see them being half-ogres like the Mok’nathal, but descended from remnants of Gul’dan’s Stormreaver clan (some group of them that were lost at sea during the Second War) that somehow found their way to Avaloren. Maybe their ancestors, cut off from fel magic and seeking a return to the old ways, pled with the elements and were cleansed of the fel but became partially infused with stone instead. They became bound to the land and charged with protecting it. Another instance, like Thrall’s Horde, of Draenic immigrants reconnecting with the elements via Azeroth, but predating the Horde’s return to shamanism by a couple decades or whatever.

Their visuals and name sound so orc/ogre inspired, I can’t really think of what else they might be.

Also, maybe the Wild God Agamaggan hangs out here, with the zone being named after him?

Or they were directly or indirectly created by Aggramar like the Ogres and Orcs were. On Draenor Aggramar made a giant rock creature who broke into smaller rock creatures who somehow turned into the cyclops like Gronns that then became Ogres and Orcs. It is possible that it's just part of his innate way of working so Ogre-Dwarves aren't a stretch for him to create somehow.

I'm guessing we get a Japanese style, the hidden dragon mount silhouette gives me that vibe.

It's just a wooden dragon to go with the next Chinese New Year just like how the last two were Water Rabbit and Water Tiger.

[Nyel]

I could show you four shitty frames from the Legion reveal trailer, or any reveal trailer for that matter.

You absolutely can, I am sure you can do so with every expansion. The thing is, why would you deliberately pick four terrible stills for your preview that should hype up players and not whelm them? That’s the point. Picking one or two bad shots is one thing, but all of them being terrible is just very unlikely - unless there’s nothing better to show or you’re bad at your job. And usually Blizzard‘s marketing department is quite good in what they do.

[Makorus]

You absolutely can, I am sure you can do so with every expansion. The thing is, why would you deliberately pick four terrible stills for your preview that should hype up players and not whelm them? That’s the point. Picking one or two bad shots is one thing, but all of them being terrible is just very unlikely - unless there’s nothing better to show or you’re bad at your job. And usually Blizzard‘s marketing department is quite good in what they do.

We have four frames of one, probably 3 minute long, reveal trailer.

We know that the images were taken from the reveal trailer because the "New Continent" text is mid-animation.

[Oatmeel]

Or they were directly or indirectly created by Aggramar like the Ogres and Orcs were.

That’s a cool idea. Totally forgot that was Aggramar, on second thought the naming convention would definitely come from him and not Agamaggan lol.

[Santandame]

I think his point his we can't deduce anything from 4 screenshots + screenshots can be very underwhelming but still be real.
Although if I may- these are screenshots from the trailer, correct? The SoA alleged leak screenshots are more like press material/website-related, so we're comparing apples and oranges here

Yeah, definitely not comparable.

At this point I’m getting Avaloren fatigue just from leak season. Give us Tel’Abim please and let us have a magical adventure in the sands with djinn.