The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Baraden]

I'd have made it a spear-throwing spec that has less range (say, 25y) but more mobility than other Hunter specs and a couple abilities that bring you in melee/launch you out of it. The fantasy would have been to weaken foes with ranged throws, grenades, and traps then close in for the kill. I do like the current theme of fighting alongside your pet but it's still weird to toss bombs at someone who's right in your face. And Hunter players didn't sign up to play a fully melee spec to begin with.

I just want a hunter dot spec back man; survival was my main from wrath to wod I will never stop bitching and crying about it

I have never found anyone who actually likes melee survival who isn't being contrarian - for the exact reasons you point out, the theme of the spec makes no fucking sense - you're a nomadic tracker with a spear who works in tandem with your pet, but you also have high tech gadgets and bombs for some reason

[Teriz]

It is exactly the same thing; it shows that races can have different lore behind why they can be a class if Blizzard so desires

Again, it's not the same thing. Blizzard literally made up lore to justify a Paladin class for new races AFTER the Paladin class was established. In this case we have Draenei tech and Goblin/Gnome tech. Both have been established for decades at this point, and both are clearly different from each other on multiple levels. To the point where a Draenei in a Draenei mech shooting off Goblin tech wouldn't feel right to a player.

[Marlamin]

I'm super curious to see what they're doing with Classic, I don't think the hype is as big in this thread because it's mostly retail-focused but I've been seeing nothing but wild speculation about 1.15, the new classic season, Cataclysm, etc in my personal circles.

I'd estimate there's a good chance it's the most experimental thing they've ever done with WoW considering how long it has been in the works and I'm all here for that, although I might be hyping myself up a bit too much.

[Baraden]

Again, it's not the same thing. Blizzard literally made up lore to justify a Paladin class for new races AFTER the Paladin class was established. In this case we have Draenei tech and Goblin/Gnome tech. Both have been established for decades at this point, and both are clearly different from each other on multiple levels. To the point where a Draenei in a Draenei mech shooting off Goblin tech wouldn't feel right to a player.

It would feel okay to me; what now?

[Baofeng]

Any class-related discussion is irrelevant anyway, as we're definitely not getting a new class right after Evokers.

[Nightshade711]

You used GMOD, an established mech already in the game. I'm saying that a Tinker class would get a unique, class only type of mech.
Blizzard isn't going to offer one race a mech where they can see the pilot and another where they transform into a robot or only get a claw pack. That's not how it works.

Is this like when you said blizzard wouldn’t introduce a dragon-based class unless it was a large mount-sized quadrupedal dragon that was a 1-1 copy of Hearthstone?

Blizzard absolutely could do that. Or they’d just simply have all the mechs where you wouldn’t see the pilot regardless of race. Not that hard of a “problem” to fix.

Not as a class though. Again, a class brings that type of thing into an entirely different level.

Not really gonna change anything if it’s something that’s already embedded in the game.

[Teriz]

It would feel okay to me; what now?

You'd be on an island all by yourself, surrounded by demands for Draenei mechs to get draenei-based abilities.

[Fahrad Wagner]

What are you most excited about for BlizzCon? Additionally, what are you least excited about? Be honest and bounce ideas off one another!

The reveal trailer for 11.0! This is always my favourite bit

We all should've known better. In our attempt to spike up the page numbers, again we unleashed another Tinker back and forth. Will we ever learn?

The shitpost count must go higher, brother, no matter the means

[Baraden]

You'd be on an island all by yourself, surrounded by demands for Draenei mechs to get draenei-based abilities.

No; I'm just saying 100% of the discussion about tinkers is entirely hypothetical, any argument you have as to why they wouldn't be made available to other races than the ones you think should be them is ultimately your opinion, I simply don't share your opinion here

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The reveal trailer for 11.0! This is always my favourite bit



The shitpost count must go higher, brother, no matter the means

I must take the blame, I didn't really get why people meme'd on teriz until I started replying to the tinker discussion; now I understand

[Nightshade711]

You'd be on an island all by yourself, surrounded by demands for Draenei mechs to get draenei-based abilities.

We have goblin shamans using goblin technology as totems to shoot/use elemental abilities. I don’t see many complaints about that.

[Rathwell]

Any class-related discussion is irrelevant anyway, as we're definitely not getting a new class right after Evokers.

The past has looked like this:

TBC: New races
WotLK: New class
Cataclysm: New combos and redesigned specs, new races
Mists of Pandaria: New race and class
Warlords of Draenor: new race models
Legion: New class
Battle for Azeroth: New races
Shadowlands: neither
Dragonflight: New race and class

We've never had two new classes back to back, but we almost always get one of the two. So, I'm hoping for a race this time around!

[Xilurm]

Also yeah, having Chris Metzen hype up the crowd is going to be great.

[Nightshade711]

What are you most excited about for BlizzCon? Additionally, what are you least excited about? Be honest and bounce ideas off one another!

Reveal trailer/cinematic for me too.
Oh and as people have said, I’m really hyped to see Chris Metzen back again.

Least excited for a (likely) expansion w/o a new race or class. Maybe they’d at least overhaul character customization but idk.

[Baraden]

We have goblin shamans using goblin technology as totems to shoot/use elemental abilities. I don’t see many complaints about that.

My shaman is goblin for exactly that reason, with lightning bolt etc it's the most techy class they have next to hunter but I didn't need a hunter

[Teriz]

Is this like when you said blizzard wouldn’t introduce a dragon-based class unless it was a large mount-sized quadrupedal dragon that was a 1-1 copy of Hearthstone?

I said they would release a dragon-based class that's a race/class combo, based on the dragon heroes of WoW and has abilities from HotS. The size was up to Blizzard.

Which is what we got.

Blizzard absolutely could do that. Or they’d just simply have all the mechs where you wouldn’t see the pilot regardless of race. Not that hard of a “problem” to fix.

Which isn't what you see from the Tinker hero in WC3, HotS, or WoW, or Tinker mechs from Gazlowe or Mekaktorque.

Not really gonna change anything if it’s something that’s already embedded in the game.

Seeing Draenei arrive on trans dimensional ships is one thing. Seeing Humans, Blood Elves, Trolls, and Worgen inside mechs dropping Orbital laser beams on each other is something else entirely.

[doledippers]

I never said it was a "leak" just a speculation.. obviously I used AI to try and create an imaginary of what it possibly could look like.

Thought this one does look good for a logo

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People jump to conclusions that I'm supposedly lying about a leak when I'm clearly not.

oh please, you obviously postured it as a leak and now you're just trying to backtrack

[Marlamin]

The official BlizzCon stream links have gone up for those who want to turn on notifications and such! It'll also be broadcast on Twitch which historically has better quality than YouTube livestreams, but regardless:

Day 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqb8fSs_99U
Day 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbUJwrNFxvA

[Teriz]

No; I'm just saying 100% of the discussion about tinkers is entirely hypothetical, any argument you have as to why they wouldn't be made available to other races than the ones you think should be them is ultimately your opinion, I simply don't share your opinion here

Again, simply look at the other expansion classes, and the concept such a class would be based on, which is WC3 and HotS. It's rather far from 100% hypothetical.

[Jastall]

I just want a hunter dot spec back man; survival was my main from wrath to wod I will never stop bitching and crying about it

I have never found anyone who actually likes melee survival who isn't being contrarian - for the exact reasons you point out, the theme of the spec makes no fucking sense - you're a nomadic tracker with a spear who works in tandem with your pet, but you also have high tech gadgets and bombs for some reason

I'd make Beast Mastery the dot spec. Make both the hunter and the pet stack bleeds in various ways that interact with each other so it actually has something going on besides the pet doing 80% of the damage while the player sits in the back and tells Fido how much of a good boy he is.

Then again I'm not a Hunter player. I should be because I like the themes of the class a lot but its actual gameplay has put me to sleep in every single iteration I've tried. It's second only to Priest in terms of class I'll just never play.

[Dragonborn]

How should Dragonflight end? By end, I literally mean "end (as in, the LAST patch and story quest in the expansion)."

The Aspects getting their powers back seems like the most obvious, but that'll likely happen at the end of the raid. Maybe with an appearance of Elune. We probably won't see much of Iridikron for the rest of Dragonflight but some characters will comment on his disappearance.

Assuming Amirdrassil crosses over into the real world, we'd be bringing over something from both Life and Death, and we saw how Aman'thul reacted to a previous Tree of Life being planted in Azeroth. I could see some of the Titan Keepers reacting similarly. The Aspects and Vyranoth getting blessed by it would definitely earn the disapproval of Odyn. Not sure about Tyr, he could go either way. So yeah, the ending might have something to do with the Titan Keepers reacting to Amirdrassil.