The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Heartbane of Duskwood]

Siege of Avaloren
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Odyn Tyr...
Battle
Elune
More dragons, Iridikron, etc
Raid
7 Dungeons
5 zones

[Neoplanet]

This thread got like 60 pages or so since I last looked, tldr nothing is real?

tldr we have a leaker fight , and at least storm of avaloren its fake

[kavikor]

This thread got like 60 pages or so since I last looked, tldr nothing is real?

the text leak by Algarstorms is at least 100% fake

people think 22mage22 is fake

images are still on the table

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https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Storm_Rider
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Storm_dragon
https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Storm_drake

So Odyn says Storm Drakes were born of the Gods, while the Storm Dragons of Skywall have unknown origins, but protodragons may have evolved from them.

Friends, it is obvious that the Algarian Stormrider is an elemental dragon that is able to traverse the Storm.

"As one storm recedes, another rises."

This means several things.
Deathwing failed but his duty to usher in the Old Gods it carried on by the Harbinger and Iridikron.
Razageth died and her storm over the Forbidden Reach dissipated, but now a new storm is on the horizon.

The Storms of Avaloren are elemental in nature, and Odyn tapped into that power long ago. That's why he has Storm Drakes.

That's why Thrall will be important, the World Shaman who can wield the storm in the palms of his hands.

The storm isn't just a thing preventing us from going to Avaloren. It is a fundamental theme of the expansion. Hence the mount.

Make no mistake, the Void is the main antagonist. But the elements will be a large part of the expansion alongside Life and Order.

The elementals and void are closely related since they allied themselves against the titans in the beginning!

[Neoplanet]

the text leak by Algarstorms is at least 100% fake

people think 22mage22 is fake

images are still on the table

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The elementals and void are closely related since they allied themselves against the titans in the beginning!

im kinda hoping for a plot twist at this moment

[ercarp]

Since I'm a big spreadsheet nerd, I outlined the chronology of this disaster to help people understand when these things happened and what it all means.

• Oct 11: @mogturmen shares the Agg'orand website leak. This user hasn't posted again since.
• Oct 18: @Algarstorms posts their Storms of Avaloren leak.
• Oct 19: @22mage22 starts posting their own "Land of Conflict" info dumps.
• Oct 26: The zone screenshots are originally posted on Reddit and then posted on MMO-Champion by @Heryn. The earlier leak by @Algarstorms gains new notoriety for having a few perceived similarities with the zone screenshots.
• Oct 27: @SoA posts their own leak which is heavily inspired by the one written by @Algarstorms with details mixed in from the original website leak. This is nothing unusual, fake leakers frequently piggyback off of whatever's popular to add to their own credibility.
• Oct 29: @Algarstorms admits to their leak being fake and gets into a weird argument with @22mage22 which makes it seem like they're either the same person or working together, destroying the remaining credibility of both leakers with one stone.

What this means:

• @Algarstorms, @SoA, and @22mage22 are all most likely fake leakers.

What this doesn't mean:

• That the website leak and the zone screenshots are confirmed fake. The above users have no connection to whoever shared these images first.

[kavikor]

Since I'm a big spreadsheet nerd, I outlined the chronology of this disaster to help people understand when these things happened and what it all means.

• Oct 11: @mogturmen shares the Agg'orand website leak. This user hasn't posted again since.
• Oct 18: @Algarstorms posts their Storms of Avaloren leak.
• Oct 19: @22mage22 starts posting their own "Land of Conflict" info dumps.
• Oct 26: The zone screenshots are originally posted on Reddit and then posted on MMO-Champion by @Heryn. The earlier leak by @Algarstorms gains new notoriety for having a few perceived similarities with the zone screenshots.
• Oct 27: @SoA posts their own leak which is heavily inspired by the one written by @Algarstorms. This is nothing unusual, fake leakers frequently piggyback off of whatever's popular to add to their own credibility.
• Oct 29: @Algarstorms admits to their leak being fake and gets into a weird argument with @22mage22 which makes it seem like they're either the same person or working together, destroying the remaining credibility of both leakers with one stone.

What this means:

• @Algarstorms, @SoA, and @22mage22 are all most likely fake leakers.

What this doesn't mean:

• That the website leak and the zone screenshots are confirmed fake. The above users have no connection to whoever shared these images first.

I appreciate you immensely!

[Catastrophy349]

Since I'm a big spreadsheet nerd, I outlined the chronology of this disaster to help people understand when these things happened and what it all means.

• Oct 11: @mogturmen shares the Agg'orand website leak. This user hasn't posted again since.
• Oct 18: @Algarstorms posts their Storms of Avaloren leak.
• Oct 19: @22mage22 starts posting their own "Land of Conflict" info dumps.
• Oct 26: The zone screenshots are originally posted on Reddit and then posted on MMO-Champion by @Heryn. The earlier leak by @Algarstorms gains new notoriety for having a few perceived similarities with the zone screenshots.
• Oct 27: @SoA posts their own leak which is heavily inspired by the one written by @Algarstorms. This is nothing unusual, fake leakers frequently piggyback off of whatever's popular to add to their own credibility.
• Oct 29: @Algarstorms admits to their leak being fake and gets into a weird argument with @22mage22 which makes it seem like they're either the same person or working together, destroying the remaining credibility of both leakers with one stone.

What this means:

• @Algarstorms, @SoA, and @22mage22 are all most likely fake leakers.

What this doesn't mean:

• That the website leak and the zone screenshots are confirmed fake. The above users have no connection to whoever shared these images first.

So, what you're saying is...? Question: Does the validity of the "images" go up, down, or stay the same if they are VERY similar to the Algarstorms leak from 8 days prior (now confirmed fake)?

[Kiivar86]

So, what you're saying is...? Question: Does the validity of the "images" go up, down, or stay the same if they are VERY similar to the Algarstorms leak from 8 days prior (now confirmed fake)?

Stays the same I would think since there's no actual connection to these burner accounts.

[kavikor]

So, what you're saying is...? Question: Does the validity of the "images" go up, down, or stay the same if they are VERY similar to the Algarstorms leak from 8 days prior (now confirmed fake)?

I think images are exactly the same as where they were in my book

people have only based leaks off the images, but no images have been based on leaks

the images have also reinforced eachother and neither have been debunked

[Catastrophy349]

Stays the same I would think since there's no actual connection to these burner accounts.

In theory, though, couldn't the person who "potentially created" the images have just copied from Algarstorms' "leak" to validate their images? The images are very close to Algarstorms' "leak."

[McCallahan]

What this doesn't mean:

• That the website leak and the zone screenshots are confirmed fake. The above users have no connection to whoever shared these images first.

The Website leak is a confirmed fake because it features very obvious AI art.

[ercarp]

So, what you're saying is...? Question: Does the validity of the "images" go up, down, or stay the same if they are VERY similar to the Algarstorms leak from 8 days prior (now confirmed fake)?

Depending on how you felt about the leaks posted by SoA or Algarstorms, it may go either up or down or stay the same.

As far as written details connected to the zone screenshots go, all we have now is the website leak which doesn't tell us much.

[Nymrohd]

If the Dwarves are underground, what type of mount to they fly on.

Make the vault they are in big enough or built all across a fissure and they very much would need a flying mount to cross it. Ofc its weird for the poor gryphons to live underground; what are they surviving on.

Now imagine this
A series of flooded canyons would be the fissure where Khaz Algar was build (check the Ordered Azeroth picture and see the area straight south to the coast from N'zoth's prison). After the sundering, the canyons sunk right beneath the waves, create a shallow labyrinth that is visible below the sea. The earthen that lived in Khaz Algar devolved into Skardyn and their gryphon allies developed aquatic fictures (think fish scales instead of lion fur). The top of the canyons peak beyond the sea and a sargasso has developed; the sea gryphons of Algar have created nests on those peaks collecting seaweed.

No one has yet found it since ships that try to cross it flounder on the sharp rocks and most captains know to avoid the area. So think about a shallow underwater zone that is also a ship's graveyard. The canyons' sides have been hollowed and built in by the Skardyn.

[Kiivar86]

In theory, though, couldn't the person who "potentially created" the images have just copied from Algarstorms' "leak" to validate their images? The images are very close to Algarstorm' "leak."

It is possible but we have no way of knowing that at present. Can also be the fake leakers hit upon something by luck, some do that. Throw enough shit at the wall, something will stick.

[ercarp]

The Website leak is a confirmed fake because it features very obvious AI art.

I think both the website and zone screenshots are fake personally, all I'm saying is that whatever happened here just now is irrelevant when it comes to the credibility of either the website or the zone screenshots.

[Joszef Kiprich]

I thought we established the website was obviously fake?

[kavikor]

The Website leak is a confirmed fake because it features very obvious AI art.

I don't think its that obviously AI art

[KyleEverett]

The Website leak is a confirmed fake because it features very obvious AI art.

You want it to be fake, absolutely isn't confirmed yet.

[PotHockets]

The Website leak is a confirmed fake because it features very obvious AI art.

People confirmed Dracthyr as fake too

[kavikor]

I thought we established the website was obviously fake?

considering the images and the website share exactly the same creature, one a screenshot and one seemingly a fully crafted model in the world... idk if it can be "obvious"