The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Chickat]

Dunno, saying these shots are any more interesting than the Avaloren screenshots is kinda reaching.

Agreed. My issue isn't with the quality of the zone art. Its that they look similar to Dragon Isles. As zones, the 4 pics look fine.

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will we start a riot if this is the Avaloren expansion ?

No. If the features are good ill still be happy enough. I would prefer different looking zones though NGL.

[Rathwell]

They're just trying to bait Teriz to try to boost the number of pages we hit before Blizzcon.

Because if we don't reach page 2500 by the time of the opening ceremony, the expansion is going to be Avaloren and the 4 leaked screenshots will be real.

If we manage to pass page 2500, we can get just about any expansion.

[The Stormbringer]

Because if we don't reach page 2500 by the time of the opening ceremony, the expansion is going to be Avaloren and the 4 leaked screenshots will be real.

If we manage to pass page 2500, we can get just about any expansion.

Teach me your ways, oh great and powerful Forum Thread Wizard. I wish to know how the power of shitposting and speculation can warp the very fabric of reality itself!

[Bsirk]

No I totally get that, that’s fine. Those kind of comments don’t encourage meaningful discussion.

Like you, I’ll play regardless. I enjoy mythic+, I play seasonally and the launch month(s) is always worth the price of admission for playing with my mates and messing around. But if Avaloren is what those images are, I’m going to feel ever so slightly deflated because of what I had personally hoped for it to be.

I know I'm about 50 pages behind at the moment, however I read this and wished there was some way we could upvote posts on here. I agree with what you said 100%.

[Nyel]

So many people here thinking the Avaloren leak is real, the bar of what to expect from a new WoW expansions has really been lowered a lot. It’s tragic.

[Rathwell]

Teach me your ways, oh great and powerful Forum Thread Wizard. I wish to know how the power of shitposting and speculation can warp the very fabric of reality itself!

Look, shitposting isn't an exact science and I can't tell you why it works in this manner, only that it does. I don't make the rules, I just invent them. All I know is that we can sit around arguing about it until we're both blue in the face, but right now, that 2500 threshold ought to be our top priority for the sake of everything this thread stands for.

[Calfredd]

So many people here thinking the Avaloren leak is real, the bar of what to expect from a new WoW expansions has really been lowered a lot. It’s tragic.

Go find a more believable leak to talk about then Mr. High Standards.

[Paula Deen]

So many people here thinking the Avaloren leak is real, the bar of what to expect from a new WoW expansions has really been lowered a lot. It’s tragic.

You base your knowledge of what it could possibly be off 4 screenshots. I base my knowledge of what I expect based off 4 screenshots.

We are not the same.

[Ferlion]

So many people here thinking the Avaloren leak is real, the bar of what to expect from a new WoW expansions has really been lowered a lot. It’s tragic.

I mean, that means people will love what is announced then.

Right?

[Rathwell]

There has never once been evidence of anyone at Blizzard doing a leak as marketing. I'm sorry, but it is the definition of a conspiracy theory to me. It's pure fanbase headcanon.

Even if not intentionally, I wouldn't be surprised if limited leaking is something Blizzard hopes for, given how it seems to drum up excitement for the announcement. If they've given us nothing prior to Blizzcon, there's nothing to hype people up. A leaked screenshot or a promotional image slipping through definitely seems to be a good thing for them

[Nyel]

I mean, that means people will love what is announced then.

Right?

9/10 people thinking the leak is real say in the same sentence that they’re whelmed and it looks mid af. So… I’ve seen one (1) person here being excited about it, but that person is basically excited about a can of worms as long as it distantly remembers Warcraft.

But yes, people will love what is announced, because it won’t be this terrible Avaloren shit.

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Go find a more believable leak to talk about then Mr. Standards.

Fixed that sentence for you.

[Leowyld]

Even if not intentionally, I wouldn't be surprised if limited leaking is something Blizzard hopes for, given how it seems to drum up excitement for the announcement. If they've given us nothing prior to Blizzcon, there's nothing to hype people up. A leaked screenshot or a promotional image slipping through definitely seems to be a good thing for them

Nah. I don't believe that, either. I remember the visible frustration of Jeff Kaplan at BlizzCon when he referenced the Overwatch 2 leak. The devs and marketing team put a lot of effort into announcing their new projects on their own terms. Leaks throw a wrench in those plans. I guarantee, they do not see it as a good thing. If they want a little tease to build up hype, they would just do it directly. No reason to rely on something so random. I've seen the reactions of devs on social media when these leaks happen, and they are anything but happy or excited. That frustration I have seen, that is something that exists. Proof of the contrary does not exist, at all.

[Nyel]

Even if not intentionally, I wouldn't be surprised if limited leaking is something Blizzard hopes for, given how it seems to drum up excitement for the announcement. If they've given us nothing prior to Blizzcon, there's nothing to hype people up. A leaked screenshot or a promotional image slipping through definitely seems to be a good thing for them

Only works when stuff is exciting though. The 4 screenshots didn’t create any hype, they created resentment. At least in this thread.

[Paula Deen]

9/10 people thinking the leak is real say in the same sentence that they’re whelmed and it looks mid af. So… I’ve seen one (1) person here being excited about it, but that person is basically excited about a can of worms as long as it distantly remembers Warcraft.

But yes, people will love what is announced, because it won’t be this terrible Avaloren shit.

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Fixed that sentence for you.

Im so confused what standard you have set here? You sound like a petulant kid whining that the blue icing on his birthday cake is sky blue instead of navy. Like what do you see in those images that tells you the game is mid? Its 4 still images. You know nothing (If it is real) besides what is visible in those 4 images.

The different here is that I don't think you have an attainable standard. Im not saying to expect nothing, but if you just assume shit you are gonna be let down.

[Bwgmon]

Just came in here to say that the Avaloren leak looks mid as fuck which means it'll probably be the proper leak, LUL

Ah, another one for the pile.

[Chickat]

You know, maybe it's just time we accept wow IS and HAS been on maintenance mode and we were all too blind to see it.

I know doomer point of view but it's really not wrong.

Weak narrative for 3+ expansions, generic set pieces that very well could be made by AI tools the developers use to flush out areas after creating a few very small set pieces(every DF zone has 1-2 big pieces then giant empty easily AI generated landscapes to fill the void.), the weakest and easily the cheapest produced intro cutscene in wows history was dragonflights, etc. The list really does go on.

Are we just all chasing copium at this point as blizz tosses low hanging fruit to keep the fans half assed engaged as they work on a much bigger and much better project we just aren't expecting?

In maintenance mode but the highest dev count in WoW history? Sure buddy.

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Legion introduced Mythic+ and that alone is bigger than anything Dragonflight brought into the game, especially with how important Mythic+ is to this day.

And world quests.

[Hitei]

Just came in here to say that the Avaloren leak looks mid as fuck which means it'll probably be the proper leak, LUL

I quit the game ages ago but I still think it's a damn shame to see what the game has become. It is all sunshine and rainbows compared to the dark and gritty expansions of the past, goes to show how incompetent and immature the game direction has gotten.

What a joke, lmao

You should really find someone to talk to about your wow-related trauma.

[Chickat]

I feel the crafting system in Dragonflight is pretty huge.

Its great but pointless to participate in for 95% of players due to the work order system. Anything of value is crafted through that, and no one wants to wait 2 hours just to get a work order and make 500g.

[Colonel Sandor]

I miss when we would get blurry photos of fakes like this:



It keeps things interesting.

[Chickat]

Did ShadowLands have any system they continued in DF?

Uh, renown, torghast randomize element used in the tower of forbidden reach. Im sure theres more too.

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LOL how could I forget world quests like honestly, that’s as big as Mythic+ and one of the cornerstones of WoWs content.

No expansion comes even close to what Legion brought to the game and is still used nowadays. From Dragonflight the new talent trees will be the only lasting impression, maybe, maybe Dragonriding. But as soon as normal flying is possible again, I’m sure 90% of players will just use that.

You think 90% of players will use normal flying when thats less than half as fast as Dragon riding?

Tbh I do think they need to update normal flying speed to like 500% from 310% but I dont see a lot of normal players using Normal flying that often??

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It'll be a matter of preference, I know people who will speedrun pathfinder and people (including myself) that can't wait for dynamic flight in the rest of the world.

It will be good to have options.

Like I said though, they could at least make normal flying half as fast as dragon riding. Normal flying needs a speed boost.

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After collecting Halloween Buckets, I can't believe how awful old flying feels.

Yeah, recently i got on a transmog farm kick, but within a few days i stopped. Not because i wanst enjoying myself, but because normal flying is so slow. Im gonna resume tmog farming when we get Dragonriding in the old world.

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First off, "massive land masses" is an interesting thing to claim with Legion and BFA specifically since those expansions were known for having more condensed zones, especially with the Broken Isles. I remember perusing this exact forum with complains about how everything felt on top of each other and too close with no open space compared to WoD Draenor, Northrend, or Pandaria. They addressed this with the Dragon Isles (although I would enjoy even more open space personally).

Second, they also addressed this whole idea of "new and innovative" ideas saying that they were going with a modular approach of a system being developed soley for that expansion. This started with the bare-bones Pandaria Farm, then you get the WoD Garrison, and then finally, they jump feet first into the modular design with Legion, BFA, and SL systems. Players lost their god damn minds and so they tried to react to that criticism with Dragonflight by going back to the basics. DF builds a solid base-line revamp of the UI, talent system, and basic PvE systems with some additional focus on outdoor content and Mythic+ rotation. Now, they can build on that with evergreen innovation rather than the modular shit.

AND NOW, people are judging the SYSTEMS of the next expansion based on four fucking images that may or may not be real. I think they probably are, and if they are, they look kind of cool. But the meat isn't known. No systems, no updates, nothing. And yet, people are saying the game has lost all this prestige that Legion and BFA had???? I've been reading these forums since Cata got leaked here, and it's actually insane the mental leaps and cycling of doom you see with posts like this.

I made a fake leak this expansion round because I thought it was fun, but god damn is this leak season especially depressing with the vitriol and misinformation just going around (ironic, I know, since this post is kind of vitriolic and I made a fake leak). Anyways, WoW isn't the same as it was, but it isn't dead nor dying. People begged for a return to the basics. Now, people are begging for new and innovative systems. And then when they come out, they'll complain that it isn't truly Warcraft. And then they'll beg for a return to basics.

WoW is different to everyone. Some want the 'Hair-metal' vibe of the 2000s era of Warcraft. Others want the more competitive and stream-lined focus of the 2010s. And now you have fans that are really focused on the collection side and more 'feel-good' vibes that are popular in pop-culture. You even have a few who are persistent that their specific race in WoW is what truly makes the game special (Undermine fanatics, Night-elf fascists, Forsaken genocide deniers, Orc fetishists). And that's all cool. WoW will never have one defining trait. But if you're going to criticize the game, which the game needs and thrives on, at least be factual and do so in good-faith rather than jump at whatever buzz words or concepts you can.

Well, individually BFA continents were smallest ever, but combined they make up one of the largest expansion land masses.