The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Zers Editor]

And we've been told in a recent interview that Vyranoth will have a lot of questions for him once he's revived, so his answers will probably be important.

I'd like to know what will make him answer any of them if that's the way, especially with his pursuit to keep sensitive things unravelled. Unless he is converted to our side after attempting smth reckless/bad.

[Chickat]

They could have seen that the azerite race aspect of Islands was a bad gameplay fit for their concept and added an exploration mode. Double the required Azerite to complete and remove the opposing team. Allow people to just go in solo or with just two people (even in the Mythic difficulty).

Warfronts would admittedly require a bigger alteration. Imo, reducing the group size to 10 and then tripling the number of troops you can have, plus adding some passive resource gain would be enough.

For Islands. Remove the timer. Remove the enemy team. Add random events and procedural generation like Torghast. Add quests and goals that change each time you enter.

[Bwgmon]

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You're trying way too hard lmao.

Getting back on topic, just 5 days to go boyos! Can't wait for leak season to be over and done and dead for 2 years.

[Hitei]

You should 100% find a good psychologist to talk to if you still play WoW in 2023, it is just sad at that point and I am not even trying to get a "gotcha" moment here.
I legitimately think that every single one of you suffer from some extreme mental illness if you're 30+ and still playing this dogshit.

These developers have pissed all over you for Y E A R S and you still hope that the game will turn around and become great again.
WoW players are the biggest broken records in the entire industry by far.


This'll be my last message here until I come back to laugh at you in another 2 years when the next joke of an expansion is revealed. See ya guys, I'll take my ban and sign off o7


GG

You post like someone who just got out of a bitter divorce and is painfully desperate to prove they're over their ex and doing fine--complete with losing your shit over other people being interested and lashing out to try and convince yourself you totally aren't. Only instead of a long term very significant interpersonal relationship, you're obsessing over, and unable to move past, a video game that you supposedly quit playing five years ago.

I'm not memeing, you should genuinely consider finding someone to talk to.

[Chickat]

For me, the best addition in DF s the flightstone reward system, especially the 10.2 version. It adds a solo advancement system that should let solo players to reach champion 8/8, it has made gear from so many different versions of content be possibly useful.

I agree, but I think they need to simplify it a bit more. We dont need 5 currencies. Maybe 3.

1 currency to replace flightstones. So maybe Justice points.
1 currency for lfr and normal tier ilevs.
1 currency for heroic and mythic ilevs.

A player doing heroic raids will be able to upgrade their gear to mythic ilev just by doing heroics, but it will take twice as long as it would for a mythic raider.

Also LFR players can update their gear to high normal mode item levels, but it will take them longer than it would for normal raiders to do the same.


World quests,heroic dungeons, mythic0s, reward a lot of the base currency, and a good amount of lfr/normal tier currency.

Elite world quests, mythic 5-10, lfr, normal Drop a lot of normal tier currency.

Normal raids start dropping the highest currency, but a very small amount of it. It would be enough to get 1 or even less than 1 upgrade a week.

Mythic 10+, heroic raids, mythic raids drop the top tier currency.

With mythic15+ and mythic raids dropping a lot of it.

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"Didn't play the game"

Ive completed all levels of content this patch. You're deluded if you think that you're in the right here. Blatant fanboyism.

Elite in PvP
Ksm/KS Hero in M+
Mythic Raider of current tier

What else is needed to have a valid critique on the game in your eyes?

Are you really so easily impressed with a bullshit crafting revamp that added unneeded rankings like a mobile game and turned formerly boe items into bop items with rejected azerite traits yet think this is somehow a good design? There are people who really like this shit? Seriously?

If the game is so bad why are you playing it? You seem to have accomplished a lot, but you are miserable? Maybe quit?

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On the talent tree discussion while it definitely did take a significant amount of dev time (and will continue taking dev time for at least one more expansion since most of their beta concepts needed to be scrapped), it also is a base system, that is a root system that makes the game function. It is not exactly additional content. It enhances how you play the game; it doesn't give you new ways to play the game.

Using that logic, Artifact weapons talent trees are also a base system.
And world quests are also a base system since we always had dailies and quests.
And Mythic+ is also a base system, cause its just minor changes to dungeon format.

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Honestly, some people really underestimate the value of updating the systems.

Updating the Trees to a modern day standards is half the thing: the more important half is having easy scalable system to build upon in future.
All those minor and not updates and interfaces are very valuable to a long-term health of the game.

It wouldn't be good to have two expansions like this in a row, but I respect DF for modernizing the systems

And the talent update especially was WIDELY praised at launch and still is. Its the best iteration of talents the game has ever had, and its not even close.

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I would love to see a "leak" that is just entirely opposite the one we have (circulating around). For example, Void vs. Light, another dimension/planet, anything. Just something different to speculate on!

I should do an off the wall Xoroth leak. No one will ever see that coming.

[kavikor]

Only works when stuff is exciting though. The 4 screenshots didn’t create any hype, they created resentment. At least in this thread.

Im pretty excited for it, but i would be excited for most leaks

[Colonel Sandor]

You're trying way too hard lmao.

Getting back on topic, just 5 days to go boyos! Can't wait for leak season to be over and done and dead for 2 years.

Leak season is the best time to be a WoW fan. Brings so much life and discussion around the game.

[Chickat]

Yeah, as I said it'd have to be a very visual leak (one that isn't obvious AI) or a Blizzard-sourced one, and those are relatively hard to come by.

I do think there's some more discussion to be had about this post as it's been racking my brain a bit as it doesn't make complete sense yet how the Chinese NY retail mount in the 12mo sub bundle can match up with a wood-themed mount and pet in Classic, nor how the also wood-themed Fyrn pet and its related mount (probably the retail chinese NY mount) relate to it all.



It's not something that provides any context/hints for future content, so it's hardly very interesting for the speculation thread. A very short TL;DR is that they've been updating the layer that interfaces with your GPU with a layer they use in other games since Shadowlands, and more recently have been working on tech that allows for hotfixing files/applying (minor) patches while in-game as well as hints of new/improved file formats for models that they've been working on since Legion.

There's also of course stuff that is already generally known like improving how they encrypt things, the input system, the improved seamless teleports they started doing in Shadowlands and improved upon in DF and more specifically Zaralek.

Reading all of this makes the people asking for a new Engine look dumb imo. If they can do all of this stuff to the old Engine, is it really an old engine at that point? Its so custom for WoW at this point, it would probably be a hindrance in content creating and development for at least a year or two while devs got used to the new stuff, not to mention the year or two it would take to port all of wow over to a new engine.

So if they can keep updating it like they are, I fail to see why they even need a new engine.

[Bwgmon]

Leak season is the best time to be a WoW fan. Brings so much life and discussion around the game.

Sure, this one wore itself out incredibly quickly though, thanks in part to the advent of ChatGPT and various AI imaging tools. I'm hoping the novelty of those die down a bit in time for 2025's season.

[Izalla]

Well this thread had a stroke tonight huh?

[Colonel Sandor]

Well this thread had a stroke tonight huh?

There were a few arguments that shitposting couldn't fix.

But I think we're back.

[Chickat]

I just hope we dont get Dynamic flight in new zones from start, it kills immersion really. Best way for me would be like TBC and WOTLK, level up without flying then buy/gain flying once you reach max level.

I somewhat agree, but I think thats probably an unpopular opinion.

As long as alts got to fly at 70 if you have an 80 it would probably be ok.

[NoTimeToDie5426]

I somewhat agree, but I think thats probably an unpopular opinion.

As long as alts got to fly at 70 if you have an 80 it would probably be ok.

It may be a more popular opinion than you think huehue

[Chickat]

Weird how Moonkins got revamped ogre animations. A few "leaks" have said them to be a new playable race, maybe one of them is true after all.

Bro, I would be so hyped if we finally got playable ogres.

I think a good alliance counterpart would be Vrykul.

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It's the same issue you had previously with regular flying. Difference is just that the flying is more inherently fun, and there is a chance you can fail at it.

It's too good though, which would be nice to have changed in future iterations.

Did you just say normal flying was more fun?

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One idea I had was that Khaz Algar (and thus the Algarian Stormrider) could simply not be connected to the expansion continent; it could be a starting zone for a new race or class.

That would be lame, NGL. Unless we go there in a patch Forbidden reach style.

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Why does Dragonriding should even be challenging? It's a faster way of transportation to compensate for bigger locations. Comparing to "static point in the sky" mounts we had for almost 2 decades it's a huge upgrade.

Damage from fall and bumps will be frustrating because of Blizzard's famous hitboxes.
Slow vigor regen is just more waiting time doing nothing.

Yeah, i don't agree with them either. I think its fine the way it is. If blizzard made the changes they are suggesting, a lot of players would complain.

[Marlamin]

Reading all of this makes the people asking for a new Engine look dumb imo. If they can do all of this stuff to the old Engine, is it really an old engine at that point? Its so custom for WoW at this point, it would probably be a hindrance in content creating and development for at least a year or two while devs got used to the new stuff, not to mention the year or two it would take to port all of wow over to a new engine.

So if they can keep updating it like they are, I fail to see why they even need a new engine.

It is a very complex discussion/definition. They do pretty major changes every now and then, usually around expansion releases so the engine technically isn't the same as it was a few years ago but in other ways it's also still the same depending on how one defines "engine" and how much one includes in that.

I can see why average player Bob is saying WoW needs a new engine, but Blizz can only change the visual style so much and going to crazy shaders/lighting systems/high fidelity assets/physically based rendering in e.g 11.0 would make the transitions between old and new content feel even more night and day than they do now, so they simply can't do that.

When people are asking for a new engine, what they really mean is that they want an engine that looks like a AAA game engine AND an overhaul of all models/textures/terrain/shaders/lighting/animations in the entirety of the game so that all of it looks modern, which given backwards compatibility with old content/assets seems like an impossible task to me without dedicating a large portion of the team to it for a very long time.

2 years is extremely optimistic at best and one wonders if it is possible at all to do something like that while also making new content for the live game. It's impossible to tell the future, but I don't believe that definition of a "new engine" (aka a brand new one + new assets), can happen in WoWs lifwtime, although I would very much enjoy being proven wrong there.

A more realistic approach would be bringing everything up to modern WoW standards piece by piece, which is what we've been seeing happening for a while now, even outside of assets but in regards to systems as well. I expect that trend to continue going forward and maybe even accelerate as old bits of the clients are replaced/modernized.

Anyways, sorry for the long post, this was my breakfast/waking up rant, please don't quote in its entirety.

[KyleEverett]

It may be a more popular opinion than you think huehue

There's a very good reason why the non-flying parts of WoD, Legion, BfA, and Shadowlands are definitely seen as the weakest part of each of those expansions. Blizzard devs lost the no flying war long ago.

[Polybius]

You should 100% find a good psychologist to talk to if you still play WoW in 2023, it is just sad at that point and I am not even trying to get a "gotcha" moment here.
I legitimately think that every single one of you suffer from some extreme mental illness if you're 30+ and still playing this dogshit.

These developers have pissed all over you for Y E A R S and you still hope that the game will turn around and become great again.
WoW players are the biggest broken records in the entire industry by far.


This'll be my last message here until I come back to laugh at you in another 2 years when the next joke of an expansion is revealed. See ya guys, I'll take my ban and sign off o7


GG

I hope you're joking because it's cringeworthy coming back to forums dedicated to WoW just for that. Please take your own advice.

It's 2023, how do people not know not to feed the troll. Just report the guy's post and move on. Don't engage.

Did anything happen overnight? We need some more material to last us to blizzcon. I'd settle for just the title being leaked

They're not actually trolling, that's the sad part. Look at their post history. Anyways, moving along.

[blaatschaap]

It's 2023, how do people not know not to feed the troll. Just report the guy's post and move on. Don't engage.

Did anything happen overnight? We need some more material to last us to blizzcon. I'd settle for just the title being leaked

[huth]

It is a very complex discussion/definition. They do pretty major changes every now and then, usually around expansion releases so the engine technically isn't the same as it was a few years ago but in other ways it's also still the same depending on how one defines "engine" and how much one includes in that.

I can see why average player Bob is saying WoW needs a new engine, but Blizz can only change the visual style so much and going to crazy shaders/lighting systems/high fidelity assets/physically based rendering in e.g 11.0 would make the transitions between old and new content feel even more night and day than they do now, so they simply can't do that.

When people are asking for a new engine, what they really mean is that they want an engine that looks like a AAA game engine AND an overhaul of all models/textures/terrain/shaders/lighting/animations in the entirety of the game so that all of it looks modern, which given backwards compatibility with old content/assets seems like an impossible task to me without dedicating a large portion of the team to it for a very long time.

2 years is extremely optimistic at best and one wonders if it is possible at all to do something like that while also making new content for the live game. It's impossible to tell the future, but I don't believe that definition of a "new engine" (aka a brand new one + new assets), can happen in WoWs lifwtime, although I would very much enjoy being proven wrong there.

A more realistic approach would be bringing everything up to modern WoW standards piece by piece, which is what we've been seeing happening for a while now, even outside of assets but in regards to systems as well. I expect that trend to continue going forward and maybe even accelerate as old bits of the clients are replaced/modernized.

Anyways, sorry for the long post, this was my breakfast/waking up rant, please don't quote in its entirety.

It's pretty damn unlikely to be economically feasible for them to do so anyway. They already have an engine that is very specificially tuned to their own needs; getting a new one would just require them to redo a lot of that work while not getting them sufficient benefits to outweigh the costs.

I think those asking for this often vastly overestimate the benefits of doing so as well.

[Vakir]

They're not actually trolling, that's the sad part. Look at their post history. Anyways, moving along.

I mean, consistent trolling doesn't make it not trolling.