The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ChronoSul]

Hot take #2

Spirit is the 5th element, the one which connects mortals with the elements and exists in all living beings. Azeroth's world-soul consumed a lot of Spirit over the years, causing Azeroth's four other elements to become restless and chaotic. Spirit is what brings harmony.

Khaz Algar (Sector AR-938) is the other side of the world, exactly opposite to the Maelstrom. When the Maelstrom formed, as Aman'Thul ripped Y'shaarj from Azeroth's mantle, it caused a surge of Spirit to leak out over the content now known as Avaloren, from inside of Azeroth. This calmed the elements on that side of the world, allowing them to evolve and become the bedrock for a functioning society and blossoming civilization. They could co-exist with each other and mortals.

The titan-forged who went there became impacted by this, and have become one with the elements, infused by Spirit. They are able to master the storm because of it.

This "alternate" version of "order" is what infuriated Odyn. Because it both (in his eyes) corrupted his kin, but it also made a mockery of his world-view. Only Order, only the Titans, only he could bring about Order. Like his creator Aman'Thul, he probably bellowed "This is not Order!" at the sight of it all.

Much later, Erinithria arrived and started a brood of green dragons, which themselves would also become affected by the five elements.

Now, there is symbolism in all things. So just as the 5th element re-emerges on Azeroth so does the 5th Old God, which has become heavily tied to Spirit as well.

Spirit's opposite is Decay. The 5th Old God, as depicted in Chronicles III, is the Old God of Spirit and Decay.

Could also tie G'huun into that to give more context to him as maybe an experiment to try to create an old god out of a corpse of another old god

[Chickat]

Hot take #2

Spirit is the 5th element, the one which connects mortals with the elements and exists in all living beings. Azeroth's world-soul consumed a lot of Spirit over the years, causing Azeroth's four other elements to become restless and chaotic. Spirit is what brings harmony.

Khaz Algar (Sector AR-938) is the other side of the world, exactly opposite to the Maelstrom. When the Maelstrom formed, as Aman'Thul ripped Y'shaarj from Azeroth's mantle, it caused a surge of Spirit to leak out over the content now known as Avaloren, from inside of Azeroth. This calmed the elements on that side of the world, allowing them to evolve and become the bedrock for a functioning society and blossoming civilization. They could co-exist with each other and mortals.

The titan-forged who went there became impacted by this, and have become one with the elements, infused by Spirit. They are able to master the storm because of it.

This "alternate" version of "order" is what infuriated Odyn. Because it both (in his eyes) corrupted his kin, but it also made a mockery of his world-view. Only Order, only the Titans, only he could bring about Order. Like his creator Aman'Thul, he probably bellowed "This is not Order!" at the sight of it all.

Much later, Erinithria arrived and started a brood of green dragons, which themselves would also become affected by the five elements.

Now, there is symbolism in all things. So just as the 5th element re-emerges on Azeroth so does the 5th Old God, which has become heavily tied to Spirit as well.

Spirit's opposite is Decay. The 5th Old God, as depicted in Chronicles III, is the Old God of Spirit and Decay.

You are really good at lore breakdown and creation. You should consider applying at Blizzard. No joke.

I do think this is very plausible an I haven't thought about that. It would be very cool.

[Nymrohd]

I find it funny how people are talking about a Northrend revamp again after we’ve had these exact same discussions before Dragonflight was announced. Almost the same arguments on top of that.

I mean on my side the arguments are easily not the same because the main reason a Northrend Revamp would work great now is because of Dragonflight. It immediately ties in to Odyn and Tyr, it ties in with the Incarnates (given their lairs were in Northrend; Vyranoth's for instance is probably in Icecrown on the mountains overlooking the Scarlet Crusade area), ties in with Galakrond.

[Raetary]

It's officially Blizzcon week!

Which means it's only a matter of time until Blizzards interns leak a cinematic shot by mistake.

[Nymrohd]

I'm more in the "let's pretend shadowlands never happened" camp so please god no.

Look I did not like it but it happened. And I don't think it would be anywhere near the next xpac but we will go there down the line and Order and Life are the most likely candidates.

[Chickat]

Isnt that really just Legion? Since u know Azeroth is a Titan & Sargeras is A Titan. Not to mention the rest of the pantheon and Argus

I think Azeroth being a titan was retconned no? Its a world soul, but from my understanding its not known exactly what she is. Either way there was barely any titan stuff in Legion until the end. DF is more Titan than Legion overall.

Im talking Titan home world. Not where they were born, but a world which they shaped to fir their needs perfectly. They go there to relax perhaps. Not sure. There could be 6 themed zones. Each zone themed around a titan. Titan Civil War. I imagine only 1 or 2 would die. The others would come to our side or agree to not get in our way.

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I mean on my side the arguments are easily not the same because the main reason a Northrend Revamp would work great now is because of Dragonflight. It immediately ties in to Odyn and Tyr, it ties in with the Incarnates (given their lairs were in Northrend; Vyranoth's for instance is probably in Icecrown on the mountains overlooking the Scarlet Crusade area), ties in with Galakrond.

Plus it would allow them to revamp A LOT of assets they could use for the rest of the world revamp. It could make a lot of sense to got there.

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revamp team only won EK

Oh no. what happened? Blizz got him /cry.

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Wat? Did I miss something.

guess there it is.

To be fair, I actually think doing revamps one continent at a time is smart.

You know.. EK and Khal Algar
Kalimdor and Avaloren

That could work.

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If Khaz Algar is really just on the EK, i really wonder what Watcher Melenia, and by extension Blizzard, understand by "separated by vast swaths of time and distance. " when they'd basically be neighbours then.

Maybe it was put into a pocket dimension by the heretics?

[huth]

I think Azeroth being a titan was retconned no? Its a world soul, but from my understanding its not known exactly what she is. Either way there was barely any titan stuff in Legion until the end. DF is more Titan than Legion overall.

Not to my knowledge. Titan = World Soul. We saw Argus in his World Soul form in Legion when fighting Aggramar.

And consider their size. Their place of respite was probably the Seat.

[Chickat]

I don't have a lot of info, but the name of the expansion is Secrets of Avaloren.

Level 80 level cap with a new system that works like Paragon levels in Diablo, unlocking cosmetic spell effects and transmog for your class.

The new continent has 4 zones and 1 zone below them. The zone below might just be the main hub of the expansion.

Boat combat utilizing the dragonriding tech.

Titan relics new system. You turn one item into a titan relic, basically Legion legendaries without the RNG.

No new race

No new class

Support spec for Shaman called Earthspeaker

There is no revamp

Thats boring enough to be true, but im over SoA. I dont think SoA is it.

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Maybe!



Oo thank you! Sadly, I am too far away from Blizzard's offices for that to happen.

Do they not have some remote positions?

[Nymrohd]

Plus it would allow them to revamp A LOT of assets they could use for the rest of the world revamp. It could make a lot of sense to got there.

Almost everything Scourge related is already available through Maldraxxus and the Maw. Coldarra is done through Azure Span as are the Tuskar areas. Legion did much of the Vrykul areas, DF has probably given a decent amount of doodads to be used for Dragonblight (though obviously they would need to remake Wyrmrest). Not sure if BfA did the right type of troll structures but it probably did enough. Plenty of doodads and textures can be reused from Uldorus and Uldaman for Ulduar. So there is a lot that is done.

[huth]

Thats boring enough to be true, but im over SoA. I dont think SoA is it.

I find the fact that Titan relics is literally just Runecarving a bit questionable.

Also, Paragon levels that just give cosmetics? That's not like Diablo at all.

[Chickat]

That's generally how people looked at Shadowlands. They somehow managed to make it a thing.

(Splitting the game into quarters and calling it a feature is not something I can get behind)



There's also wind elementals called Storm Riders.

It's almost impossible to parse without context other than maybe the Gryphon texture.

I thought we were sure the gryphon texture wasn't the preorder mount?

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I find the fact that Titan relics is literally just Runecarving a bit questionable.

Also, Paragon levels that just give cosmetics? That's not like Diablo at all.

I dont really think its real. Im just feeling pessimistic all of a sudden now that my fav leaker is no longer with us.

[ercarp]

Not sure how this confirms that 22mage22’s “leak” is fake considering Algarstorms may very well have been a completely different person attempting to discredit/troll them.

I suppose it doesn't confirm it 100%, but myself and several others thought his behavior and the fact that he just happened to be posting at the same time as Algarstorms was highly suspicious. I also don't think I've ever seen a real leaker get that upset when people refused to believe them.

[Chickat]

I don't have the original leak images on this computer either

I also dont have proof i made them on my pc. let me check my Nokia 3310.

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Siege of Avaloren
80
Odyn Tyr...
Battle
Elune
More dragons, Iridikron, etc
Raid
7 Dungeons
5 zones

This is what a real leak looks like. Too bad the names terrible. Sounds like a raid. I don't think they would ever start an expansion name with Siege.

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Since I'm a big spreadsheet nerd, I outlined the chronology of this disaster to help people understand when these things happened and what it all means.

• Oct 11: @mogturmen shares the Agg'orand website leak. This user hasn't posted again since.
• Oct 18: @Algarstorms posts their Storms of Avaloren leak.
• Oct 19: @22mage22 starts posting their own "Land of Conflict" info dumps.
• Oct 26: The zone screenshots are originally posted on Reddit and then posted on MMO-Champion by @Heryn. The earlier leak by @Algarstorms gains new notoriety for having a few perceived similarities with the zone screenshots.
• Oct 27: @SoA posts their own leak which is heavily inspired by the one written by @Algarstorms with details mixed in from the original website leak. This is nothing unusual, fake leakers frequently piggyback off of whatever's popular to add to their own credibility.
• Oct 29: @Algarstorms admits to their leak being fake and gets into a weird argument with @22mage22 which makes it seem like they're either the same person or working together, destroying the remaining credibility of both leakers with one stone.

What this means:

• @Algarstorms, @SoA, and @22mage22 are all most likely fake leakers.

What this doesn't mean:

• That the website leak and the zone screenshots are confirmed fake. The above users have no connection to whoever shared these images first.

You truly are the timekeeper.

[expansion2023]

Titans invade Azeroth
Some old zones revamped
World quests and story events across Kalimdor, EK, Northrend, and Pandaria (even in non-revamped places)
Campaigns take people across Azeroth (think Order Hall storylines)
We go to Avaloren to learn how the heretics repelled the Titans for so long
Illidan is made of stone now and a main enemy

[Chickat]

American English uses "defense". The website uses "defence".

That could easily be due to a blizz employee who came from England, or a typo. Thats not enough to confirm them fake imo.

[Baedril]

Titans invade Azeroth
Some old zones revamped
World quests and story events across Kalimdor, EK, Northrend, and Pandaria (even in non-revamped places)
Campaigns take people across Azeroth (think Order Hall storylines)
We go to Avaloren to learn how the heretics repelled the Titans for so long
Illidan is made of stone now and a main enemy

Reverse curse of flesh Illidan is a cool idea.

[Pyrophax]

Reverse curse of flesh Illidan is a cool idea.

How far reserve can go? Imagine Trollidan. Stony Trolly for next big bad, heh

[Melorandor]

Reverse curse of flesh Illidan is a cool idea.

But he's not a character, he's literally stone, like Magni was from Cataclysm to Legion now.

[Jaggler]

Not to my knowledge. Titan = World Soul. We saw Argus in his World Soul form in Legion when fighting Aggramar.

And consider their size. Their place of respite was probably the Seat.

My personal head canon is, that a world soul is not necessarily a Titan in the sense we know, but it is a very powerful being inside certain worlds. Aman'thul for some reason was more Order aligned and was the first to awaken and set out to find the other world souls to infuse them with Order energy to make them into the titans we know now. Eonar was heavily influenced by life before Aman'thul found her, which explains he closeness to that realm.

As I said, just my headcanon. But i think it could work well.

[Hitei]

Really don't see them turning Illidan into a pawn that's been "purified" when his whole thing on Argus was refusing to be made into one because he was true to his own flaws.