The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Melorandor]

Reverse curse of flesh Illidan is a cool idea.

But he's not a character, he's literally stone, like Magni was from Cataclysm to Legion now.

[Jaggler]

Not to my knowledge. Titan = World Soul. We saw Argus in his World Soul form in Legion when fighting Aggramar.

And consider their size. Their place of respite was probably the Seat.

My personal head canon is, that a world soul is not necessarily a Titan in the sense we know, but it is a very powerful being inside certain worlds. Aman'thul for some reason was more Order aligned and was the first to awaken and set out to find the other world souls to infuse them with Order energy to make them into the titans we know now. Eonar was heavily influenced by life before Aman'thul found her, which explains he closeness to that realm.

As I said, just my headcanon. But i think it could work well.

[Hitei]

Really don't see them turning Illidan into a pawn that's been "purified" when his whole thing on Argus was refusing to be made into one because he was true to his own flaws.

[Chickat]

What about this;

https://www.wowhead.com/npc=29624/stormrider

????

Thats so old, I think the dragon on the forbidden reach is more relevant.

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I'm doing my part. I remember seeing this fan-art years ago and have been waiting for the mount ever since:




https://www.artstation.com/artwork/n1qyE

I would love to have ridable Giraffes.

[Pheraz]

Thats so old, I think the dragon on the forbidden reach is more relevant.

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I would love to have ridable Giraffes.

I wouldn't be surprised if they would start to forget existing names and don't have a CI for checking existing names and do this by hand and sometimes forget it

[Teriz]

An interesting point, but i think we have a lot of details about the concept of Avaloren. I may be wrong since I haven't followed every piece of lore in DF, but...
- Avaloren is on the other side of Azeroth where storms, magic, and monster prevent most from sailing
- Odyn labeled a group known as "heretics" fled there to be away from the titans.
- Those heretics had powerful enough defenses to dissuade Odyn, a titan keeper, from visiting.
- Nightsquall sailed there with his crew and returned with treasures "we've never seen before"
- Night Squall is forming a massive, unified pirate crew to sail there and claim it all.

Yeah, you’re conflating multiple stories and connecting them to Avaloren when those stories don’t mention Avaloren at all. The legend of Nightsquall doesn’t mention Avaloren. The story of Avaloren doesn’t say anything about it being on the other side of Azeroth, or being surrounded by storms.

The ONLY thing on your list that applies to Avaloren is that some “heretics” are there and Odyn wants vengeance against them.

That’s it.

Now, if you also look into those ideas you can also surmise

Except the majority of the ideas you listed aren’t part of the Avaloren story at all.

It may not be the most ideal setting to some, and there may be other places that are MORE developed than Avaloren, but to say there's not enough to create an expansion on isn't true, I think.

There isn’t enough. The only thing we have in regards to Avaloren is that a group of heretics pissed off Odyn, and Odyn wants payback. He can’t get payback because their defenses are too strong and he’s lost multiple Expeditions trying to take them down. The writer tells Odyn not to worry because the heretics will eventually off themselves in time because they’re aggressive.

That’s all we know about Avaloren. We don’t know anything about the land, the people, the culture, where it might be, if it’s hidden, etc.

The idea that we know as much about Avaloren as we did about Pandaria is a laughable argument to make.

[Nyel]

I mean on my side the arguments are easily not the same because the main reason a Northrend Revamp would work great now is because of Dragonflight. It immediately ties in to Odyn and Tyr, it ties in with the Incarnates (given their lairs were in Northrend; Vyranoth's for instance is probably in Icecrown on the mountains overlooking the Scarlet Crusade area), ties in with Galakrond.

Oh I’m not saying the arguments of anyone are bad, they made sense before Dragonflight and they make sense now - but I think they only make sense for us in this forum and not for Blizzard in general. They’re pretty bad at connecting lose ends and if they do it comes expansions later (which is a shame). A Northrend revisit would absolutely be logical, but that just makes it so unlikely in the end.

I personally would love a continuation of Pandarian lore, especially that of the Thunder King and Mogu. Now tie that to Avaloren and you got me hooked. Maybe add some Old God flavor and the different insectoid races and I’d be happy. Black Empire teas? Yes, that would be my dream setting, way higher than a world revamp on top of that. But it’s just too good to become reality.

[Chickat]

Straight from the horse's bird's mouth.

@Worldshaper So I was wrong. Algarian Stormrider most likely not dragon.

Still dont think its an elemental.

I would like it yo be a Purple gryphon with blue lightning outline around its wings and lightning coming off its body.

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Can confirm, it's 1 AM here and I'm about to fall asleep.

Sadly when im awake and want to chat, you guys are usually in bed. At least until right before I go to bed. Its 4am here, but i work nights so not too bad for me. I will have to go soon.

[Joszef Kiprich]

You can't have enough okapi's and meerkats. New humanoid meerkat race, yes please.

I mean, look at this fellow:

[Jaggler]

I wouldn't be surprised if they would start to forget existing names and don't have a CI for checking existing names and do this by hand and sometimes forget it

I mean, Storm Rider is not a very unique name or anything. To ride a storm is just a common expression, it's not like it's a particuölar title. If you ride the storm you are a storm rider.

[Chickat]

Name aside, this one seems kinda plausible. Also too much info, but I could totally see that happening.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...e-Storming-Sea

[ercarp]

Alright friends, here it is, the one leek to rule them all.

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If you're gonna post real leeks, you should at least spoiler tag it.

Now the whole expansion's spoiled, smh my head...

[blaatschaap]

Name aside, this one seems kinda plausible. Also too much info, but I could totally see that happening.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...e-Storming-Sea

they didn't even get the name of the new continent right, bro

[keelr]

Name aside, this one seems kinda plausible. Also too much info, but I could totally see that happening.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...e-Storming-Sea

I also think so. This talk about systems, reworks etc.

[Kiria]

Name aside, this one seems kinda plausible. Also too much info, but I could totally see that happening.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...e-Storming-Sea

This one sounds plausible and not the worst tbh.

[keelr]

they didn't even get the name of the new continent right, bro

We don't know what's the name so idk what you are talking about

[Nyel]

Name aside, this one seems kinda plausible. Also too much info, but I could totally see that happening.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...e-Storming-Sea

Must be fake, a complete Monk revamp? Nobody ain’t believing that.

[blaatschaap]

We don't know what's the name so idk what you are talking about

they spelled it Aveloren...

[Chickat]

Guys I think this might be the real leak. For real.

[ercarp]

Name aside, this one seems kinda plausible. Also too much info, but I could totally see that happening.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...e-Storming-Sea

I thought so too, I still have it rated fairly high (3/5) despite the name.

I bet one of the regulars here wrote it.