The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Holdodlig]

We'll probably have the November Trading post showcase today which might just contain some items related to either Blizzcon, the WoW Bday or ... the month of November. Wonder if we'll have a full mog this time ?

[Delever]

I would like to add here that I ve seen a few people complaining about dragon riding being a major feature in the new expansion.
I don't think dragon riding will be advertised as a major feature but rather that it will now expand to everything. It is definitely here to stay alongside regular flying and it is honestly probably one of the best features we ve gotten in a while so I don't know why anyone would like for this to be retired after dragonflight. It will probably not be called dragoriding anymore but something else like stormriding or dynamic flying etc.

[Sondrelk]

Do people forget that 10.2 is not the last patch?

That isn't going to change what we know currently about Avaloren/Khaz Algar.
Adding more context in 10.2.5 and 10.2.7 wouldn't feel like they are adding context in preparation, it would feel like they are retroactively justifying it.

[Yus atath]

Speculation thread for BFA was the most fun/enjoyable. This time its 1800 pages of off-topic back-and-forth arguments. It’s sad this forum doesn’t have moderators.

[Echil46]

it's just the sort of compromise I wwould expect from them at this point tbh and thats not a good feeling.

I hope I am wrong.

I mean it's not a good feeling when they do the whole reveal part. Because they overhype it, and they act as if you should be over the moon about them delivering somehting that isn't what you asked but close to it.

But i like the void elves more than the high elves (especially now with the HE customization made avaliable). And that's it.
Mechagnomes, Lightforged, Highmountain should have been a body option like the wildhammer. Mechagnomes are especially bad.
Kul Tirans are a poor substitute to Vykrul (talking about aesthetics, the lore is cool), and don't get me started with Dracthyrs.
KT and Drac would have been fine on their own, but the whole "instead of" makes it bitter.

But i don't really like the Ogres in wow, so if its kind of a tall bulky dwarf with proper hair... AND if their running animation isn't butchered, i'm all fine with it.
Now if only Blizz came out and clearly said "we like giving things a little twist" so we have an official quote as to what to expect everytime we ask for a system/race/class... there will be less disapointment.

[Delever]

And that’s way more than what we know about Avaloren. That story was more about Odyn than that location.

What the hell are you talking about? Having a story reason to go somewhere being hinted is far stronger of a reason to go there than random references to a place that was until that point considered the games comic relief.
We might not know anything about the landmass of avaloren but as I said, after 20 years of development I think it's ok for them to introduce new, unknown landmasses and new lore to the game that we know nothing about.
Edit: everything additional you added still doesn't change the fact that up until that point it was mostly comic relief and gave us no reason to go there.

[Sondrelk]

Speculation thread for BFA was the most fun/enjoyable. This time its 1800 pages of off-topic back-and-forth arguments. It’s sad this forum doesn’t have moderators.

It's what's to be expected from this leak season given the Algarian Stormrider leak.
It railroads the leak season onto a specific area, and the area is one players have no investment in.

BfA was more fun because we had several locations on Azeroths left to explore, and we didn't know where it was besides almost certainly including ocean exploring and by extension Old Gods.

[Makorus]

That isn't going to change what we know currently about Avaloren/Khaz Algar.
Adding more context in 10.2.5 and 10.2.7 wouldn't feel like they are adding context in preparation, it would feel like they are retroactively justifying it.

That's such a reach.

"Oh, we know nothing about this land! It's so random!"

"Oh, well, this doesn't count, because it's not explained or namedropped an ambigious time period before the expansion!"

They are not "retroactively justifying it".

Retroactively justifying it would mean the expansion is already out.

[Xilurm]

Speculation thread for BFA was the most fun/enjoyable. This time its 1800 pages of off-topic back-and-forth arguments. It’s sad this forum doesn’t have moderators.

Was this before or after the announcement of BFA though? Don't forget that it's going to take months to a year before 11.0 comes out, and this thread will still be going.

[Yus atath]

Because technically anything related to the game is also related to speculation on the future of said game.

I completely disagree with you miss Ersula.

[Nyel]

What the hell are you talking about? Having a story reason to go somewhere being hinted is far stronger of a reason to go there than random references to a place that was until that point considered the games comic relief.
We might not know anything about the landmass of avaloren but as I said, after 20 years of development I think it's ok for them to introduce new, unknown landmasses and new lore to the game that we know nothing about.

We don’t have a reason to go there (yet). And we don’t have a reason to go there after 10.2. As Sondrelk said, even if they give us a reason in 10.2.5 or 10.2.7 it would feel like a reason given to us in hindsight which would make the entire scenario of Avaloren being the next expansion even weirder.

[blaatschaap]

The datamined mount name for the preorder can also be a feint. They may have learned from Dragonflight when they leaked the preorder stuff from the javascript CDN and might be using our own tricks against us. Unlikely, but not unthinkable.

[Yus atath]

Was this before or after the announcement of BFA though? Don't forget that it's going to take months to a year before 11.0 comes out, and this thread will still be going.

I meant before the announcement, of course….

[ImTheMizAwesome]

Speculation thread for BFA was the most fun/enjoyable. This time its 1800 pages of off-topic back-and-forth arguments. It’s sad this forum doesn’t have moderators.

i wasn't that active for the last 2 days and actually read today every page i've missed and it was basically almost all there was.

Also it's weird how some people very often celebrate about new 100 pages like it matter, pages which are pretty much filled with nothing but repeats of beaten to death argues between few people.

[Neoplanet]

It will probably end up like that if the 4 image leak will be true.

Blizz just wants to be original and will make infinite loops around something that was requested for years until they come out with some asspull that isn't even close at all to what x community group asked about and hoped for.

Thats why i belive they could use the same tecnology datamined they will use for pronoums and also use to races who are customizations get mentioned

Like (trying to explain to not became confused)

Lets say we have a NPC saying : Hello drainei , how are you ?

In the options , we can change to say ma'nari instead

So the same NPC will say instead : Hello ma'nari , how are you?

The same technology for inclusion can also be Apply to be used to help race fantasy

[Nyel]

Retroactively justifying it would mean the expansion is already out.

No, it means basically exactly what he‘s said. If they announce Avaloren as the next expansion that would be like announcing season 2 of a TV show where we don’t have season 1 yet and aren’t even aware of season 1 existing at all.

[Delever]

We don’t have a reason to go there (yet). And we don’t have a reason to go there after 10.2. As Sondrelk said, even if they give us a reason in 10.2.5 or 10.2.7 it would feel like a reason given to us in hindsight which would make the entire scenario of Avaloren being the next expansion even weirder.

Ok so basically how exactly would it have been possible for them to not retroactively build up going to a completely new area that we don't know about without spoiling the next expansion months in advance? This is all under the premise that they are now starting to develop areas that are new and we don't know about from previous lore.

[Echil46]

Because of this i belive khaz alggar/avaloren can be the expansion after 11.0 , and for now we get a world revamp
They need more time to prepare the idea of a region we dont know , and use the revamp as a preparation to we get to khaz algar seens a lógic ideia , adding proves in the world a land far away exists
The algarian stormrider can be one of the proves , a mount rarely seen in EK/kalindor because they need to survive the storm between this continents and khaz algar to get here

I get what you mean but i find it difficult to compare planned expansions from 10 years ago to the next one.
Also, i feel like if you had asked many people about the dragon isle back in the end of SL, many would have had no idea what we're talking about.
Avaloren might only have been introduced as a named place during the last Xpac, but if you tell people "we have discovered a landmass to explore, one that you didn't know about previously", that would fit most of the playerbase prior to Legion, to DF... heck, you could extend that to whole new dimensions... what in MoP prepared you to go into a different timeline in WoD ? What in BFA prepared you to go in the afterlife ?

Actually, what sound the more farfetched ? "We have to go explore a newly discovered landmass previously hidden behind the horizon", "we have to go explore a different timeline where orcs didn't succomb to the fel", or "we have to go and rescue our leaders from the afterlife".

WoD and SL were justified by events happenning at the very end of MOP and BFA (or was it in the pre patch ?), and said events were unrelated to the Mop and BFA.
You were as likely to go in the afterlife after BFA as you were to wake up and realize BFA was a dream and Azeroth had been taken over by old gods because you actually failed to defeat Nzoth.

[Teriz]

What the hell are you talking about? Having a story reason to go somewhere being hinted is far stronger of a reason to go there than random references to a place that was until that point considered the games comic relief.
We might not know anything about the landmass of avaloren but as I said, after 20 years of development I think it's ok for them to introduce new, unknown landmasses and new lore to the game that we know nothing about.
Edit: everything additional you added still doesn't change the fact that up until that point it was mostly comic relief and gave us no reason to go there.

By all means, give me the story reasons for us to venture to Avaloren and deal with Odyn’s heretics….

[KurtMash]

So what's the consensus on the theme of the next expansion? Void? Order? Elements? Life? Something else? A combination of all of the above?