The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Magistrate]

I'm discounting it entirely because it makes zero sense for Iridikron to go there, and there's no reason for us to go there either. If the target is the world soul, why are you going to another continent instead of simply heading to the Malestrom to go after Deepholme and Therazane to disrupt the earth-based elemental plane?

Arguably he would disrupt all the elements since the world pillar supports the elemental structure of every element, I think.

But also deepholm is in the elemental planes, not azeroth, unless that's been retconned. So there could be tactical benefit to cause chaos or destruction, but it would be no closer to the center of the planet.

[Teriz]

Currently we don't know of a reason. Lorewise the Alliance and Horde ended up in Pandaria much by accident after Shaohao's Mists stopped working, and only after that we got shipped off to tap into the new land's resources. Blizzard can make up any reason or (effectively) none at all if they want us to go somewhere.

We didn't have a reason to go to Zandalar/Kul'Tiras until the opening events of BFA (and we didn't even know what the deal was with Azerite at the Blizzcon announcement).

And like I said, with WoW expansions you either have a lore reason, or a popular character. In those rare expansions you have both. Jaina and Rastakhan justified KT and Zandalar. Chen justified Pandaria.

Avaloren has neither. According to lore, even Odyn doesn't have a reason to go to Avaloren.

[Mecheon]

I'm discounting it entirely because it makes zero sense for Iridikron to go there, and there's no reason for us to go there either. If the target is the world soul, why are you going to another continent instead of simply heading to the Malestrom to go after Deepholme and Therazane to disrupt the earth-based elemental plane?

Why would he go there, though? They don't have anything to do with the World Soul. I mean he could duck over there for allies I guess, but Therazane's whole deal is not giving a damn unless it annoys her at which point she drops several tons of rocks upon it.

Perhaps Iridikron needs an untouched place. Somewhere the Titan's corruption hasn't been felt. The elemental planes are Keeper-created prisons, what used to be Kalimdor has all been tainted. You gotta head further out

[Teriz]

Arguably he would disrupt all the elements since the world pillar supports the elemental structure of every element, I think.

But also deepholm is in the elemental planes, not azeroth, unless that's been retconned. So there could be tactical benefit to cause chaos or destruction, but it would be no closer to the center of the planet.

That fits his plans, since the elemental planes are a titan construct.

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Why would he go there, though? They don't have anything to do with the World Soul. I mean he could duck over there for allies I guess, but Therazane's whole deal is not giving a damn unless it annoys her at which point she drops several tons of rocks upon it.

Perhaps Iridikron needs an untouched place. Somewhere the Titan's corruption hasn't been felt. The elemental planes are Keeper-created prisons, what used to be Kalimdor has all been tainted. You gotta head further out

Disrupt the elemental planes, cause chaos across the board that keeps us occupied, then utilize the earth elementals to get you to the world soul, since they would know the deep places of Azeroth better than anyone else. Iridikron being earth-based himself kind of hints towards that.

Also I believe Blizzard actually created a model for Therazane for the first time in 10.1.5. I could be wrong about that, but if that is the case, I don't imagine that they're going to waste it.

[Well Done Steak]

I'm discounting it entirely because it makes zero sense for Iridikron to go there, and there's no reason for us to go there either. If the target is the world soul, why are you going to another continent instead of simply heading to the Malestrom to go after Deepholme and Therazane to disrupt the earth-based elemental plane?

Because more likely, avaloren is where Uldaz is which is probably housing the world soul.

[Wangming]

Because more likely, avaloren is where Uldaz is which is probably housing the world soul.

Do we need another villain to use the world soul for a diabolical plan? Can't they be more creative?

[Teriz]

Because more likely, avaloren is where Uldaz is which is probably housing the world soul.

Or Uldaz could be underground near the actual world soul, directly protecting it against void influence.

That makes quite a bit more sense.

[Joszef Kiprich]

And maybe the entrance to Uldaz is on the other side of the world?

[Well Done Steak]

And like I said, with WoW expansions you either have a lore reason, or a popular character. In those rare expansions you have both. Jaina and Rastakhan justified KT and Zandalar. Chen justified Pandaria.

Avaloren has neither. According to lore, even Odyn doesn't have a reason to go to Avaloren.

If Tyr name drops avaloren on the 21, that that satisfies both those reasons

[Myrrh]

And like I said, with WoW expansions you either have a lore reason, or a popular character. In those rare expansions you have both. Jaina and Rastakhan justified KT and Zandalar. Chen justified Pandaria.

Avaloren has neither. According to lore, even Odyn doesn't have a reason to go to Avaloren.

*The Aspects regain their powers in a flourishing cinematic, then the screen fades to black. Cut to Durotar, where Thrall's son is suddenly carried off to the other side of the world by Iridikron because reasons. Thrall vows to give chase*

There, a nonsense reason I spent 10 seconds on to get a main character involved. While I think it would be silly to limit expansions by needing a popular character, it is not hard for Blizzard to cook one up if they feel it's necessary. To beat a very dead horse, we don't know yet and won't for several days (:

[Teriz]

Do we need another villain to use the world soul for a diabolical plan? Can't they be more creative?

I don't believe it's only the world soul they're trying to dismantle, it's every aspect of order on Azeroth. The world soul is just the final piece. Xal'atath is along for the ride because the Old Gods have a similar goal.

[lostsoup]

With four days left and no leak in sight besides the probably fake zone pictures with the photoshopped dwarf and zero new assets, I think we're not gonna get anything until Blizzcon. Could be for the best if the reveal ends up being actually exciting.

[Well Done Steak]

Or Uldaz could be underground near the actual world soul, directly protecting it against void influence.

That makes quite a bit more sense.

Uldaz prob goes underground if it's a huge facility like Antorus was.

[Jaggler]

With four days left and no leak in sight besides the probably fake zone pictures with the photoshopped dwarf and zero new assets, I think we're not gonna get anything until Blizzcon. Could be for the best if the reveal ends up being actually exciting.

considering Stoney Tony's adventures with Alexstrasza leaked like a day or two before the reveal, nothing is off the table. It's not like there is a certain timetable when leaks can happen, actually, the closer we get, the likelier it is, that something leaks through, considering there are rehearsals, construction in the Arena, preperations for the website etc.

[Teriz]

*The Aspects regain their powers in a flourishing cinematic, then the screen fades to black. Cut to Durotar, where Thrall's son is suddenly carried off to the other side of the world by Iridikron because reasons. Thrall vows to give chase*

There, a nonsense reason I spent 10 seconds on to get a main character involved. While I think it would be silly to limit expansions by needing a popular character, it is not hard for Blizzard to cook one up if they feel it's necessary. To beat a very dead horse, we don't know yet and won't for several days (:

Yeah, that's a very nonsense reason, because it makes no sense for Iridikron to go after Thrall's son.

Meanwhile, a disruption of the elemental planes works with Iridikron's ultimate goals AND it can trigger Thrall into action since Thrall is a Shaman of the highest order. We also already have evidence of this via Fyrakk and the firelands.

[NikolaiShade]

Because more likely, avaloren is where Uldaz is which is probably housing the world soul.

Or maybe Uldaz is the prison of the fabled fifth old god

[Jaggler]

Uldaz is actually the Underground Prison where the Titans imprisoned the most powerful beings in the whole Universe: Tinkers.

[Delever]

Uldaz is actually the Underground Prison where the Titans imprisoned the most powerful beings in the whole Universe: Tinkers.

fucking hell you made me spit out some coffee hahahahaha

[Echil46]

Uldaz is actually the Underground Prison where the Titans imprisoned the most powerful beings in the whole Universe: Tinkers.

Don't wanna be rude but if the tinker story begins with "the cunning, ressourceful, tech savy and inventive tinkers have been locked up in a whole titan powered, full of tech, for ages", then our tinkers are gonna be pretty underwhelming. Like a fisherman starving to death because he couldnt catch a fish while stuck on an island fully geared.

[Auxis]

And what if something there ties it to Avaloren? AGAIN I will repeat: I m not saying that the reason we will go there will necessarily be good or that we will go there at all. I am just saying it is not out of the realm of possibility anymore than an expansion based on a comic relief race was.
At the time of the reveal of shadowlands, before we learned about all the stupid shit about domination magic and the jailer etc etc... did it make ANY sense that cracking open the helmet of domination somehow opened a rift to the shadowlands?
They could pull off some really similar shit to give us a new landmass. They could even delay Iridikrons role by an entire expansion. They could even reveal a 10.3 where we deal with him (unlikely). Honestly your guess is as good as mine. Based on their track record and the fact that we are running out of super major expansion worthy zones, I just dont see why you re discounting it so easily when they ve made stuff that doesnt make sense before.

Agreed. They've pretty much done this with Pandaria - we only knew the name, Pandaren culture had virtually not been explored at all outside of we knew they were renowned brewers (via Chen who was just Brewmaster, not a monk, up until MoP). And MoP ended up being probably one of the best expansions we've gotten in terms of story, atmosphere, self-built lore, etc.
And yes, the Pandaren themselves were divisive.

So to discredit any attempt creating something new because it's new and we dont have a link to it feels nitpicky. We are in an unprecedented territory where the writers are working with completely alien areas. We have almost no places left that we know much about or have explored before in previous games or lore entries. Give the writers a chance.