The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Pheraz]

being on 2222 is an honor.

I remain positive even though @Shadochi killed the hype (no offense :P)

[Chickat]

More than likely its just a story related to 10.2 since it involves both Green Dragons and Tyr.

Would you be okay with Avaloren if it's 12.0 and we get another expansion of build up before we go there?

[Nightshade711]

I think he is saying there isn't any well known/well established lore to hook us in for Avaloren whereas all the other expansions had something from previous lore/expansions to hype it up.

I mean Pandaria had no lore outside of an April Fools joke.
Chen existed sure, but that's like saying Odyn/Keepers exist & it's clear they'll be part of the hook/reason to go to Avaloren somehow.

[Ielenia]

I don't know, the humans in all of these look plastic. The ones in the linked image look human.

Add a blur to those images and they look 'human' enough.

[FlemmMinis]

It is time. I am ready.

[ercarp]

The idea that Avaloren doesn't have a hook is bonkers.

We literally have in game confirmation from titan keeper perspective on failed invasions from Odins behalf.

A realm guarded by storms with heretic titan keepers that odin wants to kill is absolutely a hook. Especially if it's been foreshadowed. Whether it's an expansion or not, this is a hook.

The entire arguments I'm seeing are just preference bias. I'm shocked people have been so shook by those 4 images. Mentals have been broken and it's quite funny to watch.

Avaloren has barely been canon for a year. Your average player doesn't even know it exists, only the terminally online turbonerds like us know what's going on.

For the vast majority of the player base, there's no hook.

Starting to set up Avaloren as a potential future location is all fine and good, but it needs more build-up than this. What we have is basically nothing.

[PotHockets]

Avaloren has barely been canon for a year. Your average player doesn't even know it exists, only the terminally online turbonerds like us know what's going on.

For the vast majority of the player base, there's no hook.

Starting to set up Avaloren as a potential future location is all fine and good, but it needs more build-up than this. What we have is basically nothing.

It really doesn't though. They just need to have a questline in 10.2.5 and they're solid.

[Sondrelk]

The idea that Avaloren doesn't have a hook is bonkers.

We literally have in game confirmation from titan keeper perspective on failed invasions from Odins behalf.

A realm guarded by storms with heretic titan keepers that odin wants to kill is absolutely a hook. Especially if it's been foreshadowed. Whether it's an expansion or not, this is a hook.

The entire arguments I'm seeing are just preference bias. I'm shocked people have been so shook by those 4 images.

The hints are in a book most players probably doesn't even know exists. It's not even in an obvious location. It's in the one dungeon not on the Dragon Isles proper, and there is no reason to go there outside M+, during which none have time for reading fluff text, if its even there.


Also the main issue with the four screenshots is not that it's on Avaloren. It's that they are all boring, and made seemingly from 90% reused assets. Even to the point they look like existing zones.

And this is presumably shown during the features trailer. The part that is supposed to really sell players on the zones being exciting to go to. So why are they so boring to look at, and not crammed with as many fantastic shots as possible.
Why do they seem like old zones deliberately shot to have as few defining features as possible, and not like entirely new and novel zones, shot to look as new as possible?

[CBZ]

Avaloren has barely been canon for a year. Your average player doesn't even know it exists, only the terminally online turbonerds like us know what's going on.

For the vast majority of the player base, there's no hook.

Starting to set up Avaloren as a potential future location is all fine and good, but it needs more build-up than this. What we have is basically nothing.

Yeah. Unfortunately it being a bad idea doesn't mean it isn't the correct idea.

[Marlamin]

Red Shirt Guy mentioning some new locations from the new book:

Also interesting how it’s building up locations we’ve never heard of, like Harrowsdeep, the Dragonwilds (which may be the Dragonflights’ name for Northrend, it’s not totally clear yet), and the Caldera.

[Nerdslime]

O Metzen, bless this holy Page 2222 with a delicious leak

[flan1337]

Red Shirt Guy mentioning some new locations from the new book:

oooo thats cool. Is the book pre-sundering?

[Nibelheimy]

Avaloren has barely been canon for a year. Your average player doesn't even know it exists, only the terminally online turbonerds like us know what's going on.

For the vast majority of the player base, there's no hook.

Starting to set up Avaloren as a potential future location is all fine and good, but it needs more build-up than this. What we have is basically nothing.

Its strange because there was next to 0 buildup for the dragon isles. The only actual Ingame hint was from an expansion prior to 9.0, an island expedition quest that only stated that Wrathion was looking for it.

Other than the terminally online turbo nerds, did the average player know about the dragon isles? I'd argue not.

[Sondrelk]

It really doesn't though. They just need to have a questline in 10.2.5 and they're solid.

They could, though it would probably feel rushed, not to mention it would be very odd to have the big announcement where players should be excited be hamstrung by not revealing plot points in future patches that will probably only show up in January.

[kavikor]

Im waiting for the "groundbreaking" evidence thats supposed to prove the images wrong

[Jaggler]

Avaloren has barely been canon for a year. Your average player doesn't even know it exists, only the terminally online turbonerds like us know what's going on.

For the vast majority of the player base, there's no hook.

Starting to set up Avaloren as a potential future location is all fine and good, but it needs more build-up than this. What we have is basically nothing.

I mean, for a vast amout of the playerbase any new place has no hook because the vast amount of players don't really care. Pandaria, Kul Tiras, Dragon isles, Avaloren, there's barely a difference really.

[Ielenia]

Crazy how during last BlizzCon everyone would be assuming that photo is irrefutably real, and now here we are.

It's not really crazy when you consider not only how much AI-generation of images has improved in these last two years, but also how wide-spread it became.

[Marlamin]

oooo thats cool. Is the book pre-sundering?

Absolutely no clue.

It's not really crazy when you consider not only how much AI-generation of images has improved in these last two years, but also how wide-spread it became.

Yeah, that's the crazy part.

[Shalpal]

Avaloren has barely been canon for a year. Your average player doesn't even know it exists, only the terminally online turbonerds like us know what's going on.

For the vast majority of the player base, there's no hook.

Starting to set up Avaloren as a potential future location is all fine and good, but it needs more build-up than this. What we have is basically nothing.

The average Andy in WOTLK didn't know about Deathwing either, the average Andy also didn't know about Pandas which is why the outcry was gigantic. After being to basically every known location now its about time we visit something new, the argument that a new location we know nothing about is no selling point for a new expansion is ridiculous.

[micwini]

I claim the sacred number.