The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Makabreska]

Varian's dead and Thrall/Malfurion have been heavily nerfed compared to their past selves. Had there been a small consequence like Jaina getting slightly weaker, it could have been overlooked. But as it stands right now Jaina pulled a "Enough!" in raid form, while most others who live after their raid battles atleast have some sort consequence (examples being Denathrius and Azshara).

I mean, what are we arguing here? That Blizz favours females?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Varian's dead and Thrall/Malfurion have been heavily nerfed compared to their past selves. Had there been a small consequence like Jaina getting slightly weaker, it could have been overlooked. But as it stands right now Jaina pulled a "Enough!" in raid form, while most others who live after their raid battles atleast have some sort consequence (examples being Denathrius and Azshara).

I mean the point wasn’t that characters get weaker it was that they die (or go into a coma) while the woman of the group gets to live and Jiana really isn’t in a group with Mekkatorque or Rastakhan unless we’re talking in the broadest sense of them all just being leaders.

Jiana is a core franchise hero from WC3 way above them and said hero’s don’t tend to die with the only real exceptions being Varian(not from WC3 but was and equivalent in wow)and Mabye Illidan.

[Makabreska]

I mean the point wasn’t that characters get weaker it was that they die (or go into a coma) while the woman of the group gets to live and Jiana really isn’t in a group with Mekkatorque or Rastakhan unless we’re talking in the broadest sense of them all just being leaders.

Jiana is a core franchise hero from WC3 way above them and said hero’s don’t tend to die with the only real exceptions being Varian and Mabye Illidan.

Or rather, they tend to die/disappear when their story is done. Illidan was always tied to defeating BL, that was his only purpose. No point for him to stick around after that (for now). And Varians journey from "fuck the Horde" to appreciating peace attempts was also pretty much done and his heroic sacrifice was very in character and helped to show the seriousness of the final BL invasion.

But on the other hand you can't just off characters when you are done with them, becasue this is laziest solution.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Or rather, they tend to die/disappear when their story is done. Illidan was always tied to defeating BL, that was his only purpose. No point for him to stick around after that (for now). And Varians journey was also pretty much done, and his heroic sacrifice was very in character. but on the other hand you can't just off characters when you are done with them, becasue this is laziest solution.

Well Illidan you could argue was a “hero” killed off in TBC before they retconned it but honestly I’d say he falls more into Arthas with being a villain who was meant to die though likely in a more sensible way then “lol he’s crazy”.

All of that is of course moot with legion brining him back.

[Makabreska]

Well Illidan you could argue was a “hero” killed off in TBC before they retconned it but honestly I’d say he falls more into Arthas with being a villain who was meant to die though likely in a more sensible way then “lol he’s crazy”.

All of that is of course moot with legion brining him back.

Everyone and Blizz agreed that BC version of Illidan was a gross misunderstanding. A dude fixated on defeating Sarg at high cost just goes to Outlands to establish a tyrannical kingdom. Retcon or not, his Legion version and story was pretty much perfect for the original role.

[Nymrohd]

I have the same bias, so I'm inclined to agree with all this. I wouldn't discount it entirely either. First because spectacle dictates a fight with the big empowered fire drake, second because Blizzard react to popularity, see also Denathrius, and Fyrakk is the most popular of the Incarnates and third because the story misses the opportunity to kill him in the quests we've seen so far and has him as a fixture of the patch content.

From a less meta perspective, Blizzard have also seen that people like the group villain dynamic, so I wouldn't be surprised if he does return to the other two empowered and not dead like they expected, but volatile due to the Void he drank up which throws them out of whack even as he helps them succeed their next goal.

Plus a Fire and Ice raid boss is just so much more interesting than just an Ice raid boss. Especially if they are both augmented somehow (Fyrakk with Shadowflame, Vyranoth by taking some Life energies and I don't know, making ice sculpture adds that you can only kill with Fyrakk's flames).

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Well Illidan you could argue was a “hero” killed off in TBC before they retconned it but honestly I’d say he falls more into Arthas with being a villain who was meant to die though likely in a more sensible way then “lol he’s crazy”.

All of that is of course moot with legion brining him back.

Illidan was never a straight up villain before TBC. He was meant to be an anti-hero. He was poorly written as such but it is clear that was his archetype.

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I mean, what are we arguing here? That Blizz favours females?

I'd say that up until recently their roster was so scarce on females they could not really afford to kill them.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Illidan was never a straight up villain before TBC. He was meant to be an anti-hero. He was poorly written as such but it is clear that was his archetype.

Ya he’s suppose to be an anti hero though I can’t say I can think of any who are as straight up power hungry and evil as him.

Though of course that could just be blizzard not knowing how to write an anti hero.

[Shadowferal]

Everyone and Blizz agreed that BC version of Illidan was a gross misunderstanding.

Only for the sake of selling a shitty retcon.

[Makabreska]

Only for the sake of selling a shitty retcon.

Sure bud. The guy who fakes alliance with Sarg only to use given powers to defeat BL for good, making it his only life goal should be sulking in Outlands and not lead the charge during final BL invasion on Azeroth. Blizz and players said they fucked up his potential waaaay before Legion.

[Shadowferal]

Sure bud. The guy who fakes alliance with Sarg only to use given powers to defeat BL for good, making it his only life goal should be sulking in Outlands and not lead the charge during final BL invasion on Azeroth.

Shitty writing...news flash! Blizz is all about it.
They pull an old character that died years ago from an older expansion and and people get spoon fed that crap...and for feels sake you savor it.

Should have been a new character.

[Makabreska]

Shitty writing...news flash! Blizz is all about it.
They pull an old character that died years ago from an older expansion and and people get spoon fed that crap...and for feels sake you savor it.

Should have been a new character.

Sorry (not sorry) that I enjoyed a comeback of a wasted character that fit perfectly in the expansion, finally did him justice and fulfilled his story and purpose. I feel sorry (I don't) that you didn't like it.

[Kiivar86]

Not to mention that fleshy "children of Azeroth" already proven themselves to Titans in Legion. I really do wonder what these burner accounts try to achieve with these super obvious fakes.

There is that too, yeah.

They're just trying to stir things up. Actual leaks are always pretty short on info and often even a bit bewildering. People making fake spoilers always go way too far out, timeline wise. Blizzard does have plans in advance but things change in development.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Cause leaving him in Outland is such good writing @_@


Bruh...

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Fyrakk defo going off the leash. Hotheaded dude with no supervision tapping into dubious powers. But I still think (at least) Iridikron predicted that and it is part of his plan.

Oh yeah, he's really coming across to that. I do wonder if when Fyrakk's gone he's gonna be so callous about it that Vyranoth is gonna start wondering if she's next. Maybe that lack of trust is what will doom their plans. Whether Vyranoth cuts a deal with the Aspects, turns coat or still also gets killed could go either way. Really it all depends of how they wanna resolve the Primalist issue.

[Cheezits]

I can only see a "Titans Bad" expansion leak being true if it's partially correct and it's actually Odyn who is turning antagonistic towards mortals. Because that would make sense and is being set up.

Tyr is 50/50 on being our friend or not.

[Luck4]

I can only see a "Titans Bad" expansion leak being true if it's partially correct and it's actually Odyn who is turning antagonistic towards mortals. Because that would make sense and is being set up.

Tyr is 50/50 on being our friend or not.

I only hope the next expansion isn't Orderlands/Voidlands...

[Nymrohd]

I only hope the next expansion isn't Orderlands/Voidlands...

Yeah let's spent at least one more expac on Azeroth. I'm OK with something planar after.

[Skildar]

I'm okay with spending all the following expansions on Azeroth or on another planet. There can be an escalation during an expansion that takes us to a different plane or a different space, etc. That's what happened for most expansions.

I still don't have any issue with the fact that we went to the shadowlands and I largely prefer its setting visually compared to the dragon isles. But having something that creates a sense of wonder, alien, uncharted, etc. should be made a priority

[Luck4]

I'm okay with spending all the following expansions on Azeroth or on another planet.

I'm also not against another planet/outer space expansion, I would say even time travel would be better than more cosmic planes/dimensions exploration.

[Nathanyel]

Not to mention that fleshy "children of Azeroth" already proven themselves to Titans in Legion. I really do wonder what these burner accounts try to achieve with these super obvious fakes.

People heard "the Void isn't absolutely evil, the Light isn't absolutely good" and concluded "Void is actually good, Light is actually evil", when it all depends on frame of reference and context (although the actual main rulers of the realms of Void/Light/Order will by definition have goals that don't align with those of the denizens of Azeroth, which would inevitably bring them in opposition to "us")

Similar with the hints that the Titan Keepers had a darker side, that meant to them that the Titans are evil, actually.

All in all it very much reminds me of the "both sides!" trolls.

Next expansion: we're going to the Moon.[...]

Funnily enough, this makes more sense than the "Titans bad" theory.