The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[ercarp]

Someone with 7k+ post count heard from someone they trust and have no reason to doubt, that they heard from someone who would know that they were real. They were hesitant to post the info since it is third hand confirmation, but they said they had no real reason to believe it wasn't the case.

Gonna need a source for that.

[Raetary]

You've never seen a box inside a box?

Of course i did, i just think that matryoshka boxes are funny.

[Marlamin]

Gonna need a source for that.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...3#post54280403

[KyleEverett]

Gonna need a source for that.

It's Shadochi about 8 pages back now.

[vintage79]

Let's just say one thing: hype is back on the menu, boys!

[Nyel]

Gonna need a source for that.

Someone heard someone say...

[Gloriandus]

Well it's just "Warcraft Rumble" now, isn't it?

[Eupitor]

Looks more AI than Avaloren leak IMO

[JollyFerrell]

Everyone, the image is most certainly fake and used AI generation. Let me point out a few notes:
1. Pallets are not consistently square and flat; uniform. We see plenty of pallets that have edges not uniform, chunks missing, pallets bending, pallet corners missing.
(A) The pallet on the bottom left has a board under the pallet, which corner is floating? Or the corner is extended?
(A.1) The lower board on the bottom left is mixing with the box, so the AI doesn't know if it is part of the box or pallet. Creating a warped carboard box.
2. Most of the shadows are incorrect in the image. Namely you can have a field day with the cardboard boxes towards the bottom/middle part of the image.
(A) Espectially the tallest stacked box, has an angular shadow that does not have consistency with any other shadow in the image.
3.The pallets in the bottom right of the photo is a big mess
(A) The pallet under the cardboard boxes, has a huge rising chunk coming out of the pallet.
(A.1) The "tree' is sitting on top of multiple pallets. At least 3-4 plallets are meshed in with each other.
(A.2) The black pallet is severely warped. I've worked with these black pallets before and they dont' typically do this to this degree, There'd be more supports under a heavy load such as this.
(A.3) The two stacked wooden pallets seem real but the tree is on the wooden pallet and black pallet at the same time? Seems like the black flooring has meshed into the top of the wooden pallet with the rightmost tree.
4. The pallets behind the left most tree, has some odd warping? You can see the pallet floating on a grey artifact, but right next to it is a black and red top tote, but the tote is touching the ground and can't be seen "under" the floating box?
5. Biggest dead giveaway is the homo sapeins standing in the middle of the photo. The left most person has warping over their head, with the cardboard being pulled into the warp. Creating a cardboard box halo.
(A) The middle most man in the middle has his legs spread, with color balance being wrong between the legs, AND the pallet dissapears between his legs.
6. This is obviously a blurry photo. At this rate ANY blurry photo is flagged as "most likely fake"
7. There may be missing lighting, there's only 1 lighting can shown. For a photo to be actually this bright, there'd be a lot more lights shown in this photo

Some other notes, When you're working on a set or scene like this, especially with a forklift, there'd be a lot more safety equipment present.
Notes: I also edit photos often and have used AI. i know it's quirks and this photo reaks of the quirks I experience when editing clients photos.

[kavikor]

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...3#post54280403

What 'leak' were they talking about with the features overview?

[Harbour]

This stage pic made me realize how truly underwhelmed i felt about those 4 screenshots. I don't want to go back to an idea of them being real.
I don't.
Give me Void/Light/Revamp or give me death.

[Marlamin]

What 'leak' were they talking about with the features overview?

The 4 zone preview images.

[Bwgmon]

What is this? Scaleface pic?

Don't remember who it was, but I remember the person behind that specific leak admitted it was fake and posted the "generated" images some time ago.

[Redwyrm]

Hold on boys and grab your umbrellas only four more days to go and there's an leak advisory in effect.

[lanerios]

What 'leak' were they talking about with the features overview?

Those screenshots. And I still doubt it, no matter who says it. Hell, even Sadochi said "Take it with a grain of salt" and people are proclaiming it as the absolute truth.

[vintage79]

Everyone, the image is most certainly fake and used AI generation. Let me point out a few notes:
1. Pallets are not consistently square and flat; uniform. We see plenty of pallets that have edges not uniform, chunks missing, pallets bending, pallet corners missing.
(A) The pallet on the bottom left has a board under the pallet, which corner is floating? Or the corner is extended?
(A.1) The lower board on the bottom left is mixing with the box, so the AI doesn't know if it is part of the box or pallet. Creating a warped carboard box.
2. Most of the shadows are incorrect in the image. Namely you can have a field day with the cardboard boxes towards the bottom/middle part of the image.
(A) Espectially the tallest stacked box, has an angular shadow that does not have consistency with any other shadow in the image.
3.The pallets in the bottom right of the photo is a big mess
(A) The pallet under the cardboard boxes, has a huge rising chunk coming out of the pallet.
(A.1) The "tree' is sitting on top of multiple pallets. At least 3-4 plallets are meshed in with each other.
(A.2) The black pallet is severely warped. I've worked with these black pallets before and they dont' typically do this to this degree, There'd be more supports under a heavy load such as this.
(A.3) The two stacked wooden pallets seem real but the tree is on the wooden pallet and black pallet at the same time? Seems like the black flooring has meshed into the top of the wooden pallet with the rightmost tree.
4. The pallets behind the left most tree, has some odd warping? You can see the pallet floating on a grey artifact, but right next to it is a black and red top tote, but the tote is touching the ground and can't be seen "under" the floating box?
5. Biggest dead giveaway is the homo sapeins standing in the middle of the photo. The left most person has warping over their head, with the cardboard being pulled into the warp. Creating a cardboard box halo.
(A) The middle most man in the middle has his legs spread, with color balance being wrong between the legs, AND the pallet dissapears between his legs.
6. This is obviously a blurry photo. At this rate ANY blurry photo is flagged as "most likely fake"
7. There may be missing lighting, there's only 1 lighting can shown. For a photo to be actually this bright, there'd be a lot more lights shown in this photo

Some other notes, When you're working on a set or scene like this, especially with a forklift, there'd be a lot more safety equipment present.
Notes: I also edit photos often and have used AI. i know it's quirks and this photo reaks of the quirks I experience when editing clients photos.

ok this kinda summs things up huh
so
I think we are back to (pirate) Taylor swift and his fffriends

[kavikor]

Everyone, the image is most certainly fake and used AI generation. Let me point out a few notes:
1. Pallets are not consistently square and flat; uniform. We see plenty of pallets that have edges not uniform, chunks missing, pallets bending, pallet corners missing.
(A) The pallet on the bottom left has a board under the pallet, which corner is floating? Or the corner is extended?
(A.1) The lower board on the bottom left is mixing with the box, so the AI doesn't know if it is part of the box or pallet. Creating a warped carboard box.
2. Most of the shadows are incorrect in the image. Namely you can have a field day with the cardboard boxes towards the bottom/middle part of the image.
(A) Espectially the tallest stacked box, has an angular shadow that does not have consistency with any other shadow in the image.
3.The pallets in the bottom right of the photo is a big mess
(A) The pallet under the cardboard boxes, has a huge rising chunk coming out of the pallet.
(A.1) The "tree' is sitting on top of multiple pallets. At least 3-4 plallets are meshed in with each other.
(A.2) The black pallet is severely warped. I've worked with these black pallets before and they dont' typically do this to this degree, There'd be more supports under a heavy load such as this.
(A.3) The two stacked wooden pallets seem real but the tree is on the wooden pallet and black pallet at the same time? Seems like the black flooring has meshed into the top of the wooden pallet with the rightmost tree.
4. The pallets behind the left most tree, has some odd warping? You can see the pallet floating on a grey artifact, but right next to it is a black and red top tote, but the tote is touching the ground and can't be seen "under" the floating box?
5. Biggest dead giveaway is the homo sapeins standing in the middle of the photo. The left most person has warping over their head, with the cardboard being pulled into the warp. Creating a cardboard box halo.
(A) The middle most man in the middle has his legs spread, with color balance being wrong between the legs, AND the pallet dissapears between his legs.
6. This is obviously a blurry photo. At this rate ANY blurry photo is flagged as "most likely fake"
7. There may be missing lighting, there's only 1 lighting can shown. For a photo to be actually this bright, there'd be a lot more lights shown in this photo

Some other notes, When you're working on a set or scene like this, especially with a forklift, there'd be a lot more safety equipment present.
Notes: I also edit photos often and have used AI. i know it's quirks and this photo reaks of the quirks I experience when editing clients photos.

I also agree it feels super fake, it definitely feels faker than the 'leaked' screenshots to me

but people are so hyped for the purple theme and stuff so i didnt wanna go into it

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Those screenshots. And I still doubt it, no matter who says it. Hell, even Sadochi said "Take it with a grain of salt" and people are proclaiming it as the absolute truth.

Did the 4 zone images have a features overview and talk about a wasteland?

[PotHockets]

I’m pretty sure this is Diablo’s head but darkened. The other one is also from Diablo but can’t remember which character (maybe Diablo from D3 and D1 or 2 actually) but it’s clearly that for me.

That is 100% definitely Leah-Diablos head. It's altered but Ive played enough D3 to recognize it instantly.

[taishar68]

Has Blizzard ever done a expansion reveal with this much set design before? From all the reveals I have watched I just remember a stage with a large screen and no "extra" set pieces to give away the reveal.

Here's Shadowlands reveal (I see set design but nothing that would lead to an "Afterlife" expansion

At that Blizzcon, there were multiple areas with stage sets, most notably Diablo and it's rooms of oddities, altar for sacrificing the innocent...I really don't recall if there was one for SL; I played the demo for D4 and SL but I don't recall a themed SL area. The Hearthstone area had a full set and the trading area had...something...it's been 4 years and I'm old, I think I've just forgotten what the WoW area looked like.

Might be a small nitpick, but does the US have significantly different standards for wooden pallets? Because some of those pallets look weird to me. Though that might just be my familiarity with the EU standard pallet.

Standards? Not really. There are 2 basic types; what some call 4x4, where two sides are formed into the rectangles you see, and the sides are closed but with cutout for the forks of a lift truck to slide into; these are 48" x 40", and you can fit 26 in a trailer if you orient them in a specific way. The other types have the rectangular opening on all sides, which are easier to maneuver then the ones with the cutouts, but they tend to break if you don't lift them correctly. Most companies will use recycled ones because they are cheaper than buying new, but a company like Blizzard might see that extra cost as negligible so maybe they only use new ones. I've worked in logistics for 12 years and most companies, even huge brand names, use whatever is cheapest.

Speaking on logistics, when it comes to conventions/trade shows, the schedules are generally tight. For big shows like CES, the work starts a month before due to the scope of the show, and while Blizzcon is really big, they seem to be working on a tighter schedule, so it is not surprising that the sets are coming up already. My guess is general construction will be done Thursday morning, allowing the QA team a walk through with the production company. I assume Blizzard works with one of the large outfits like Freeman or GES, but I don't know for certain.

I actually tried to get Blizzcon to Vegas, offering our warehouse as a hub for storage and delivery, but was given a polite no.

[matijwow]

What if that's the real leak but we're focusing on the wrong part!

SoA confirmed. Shipping over Azeroth.
New Class: Courier - Package Handler (DPS), Boxer (Tank), Manager (Support)
Revamped EK and Kalimdor
Story: Iridikron killed Azeroth so there's no more magic, which means no more portals. No more portals means mail and packages have to be delivered by hand! Katy Stampwhistle calls the champions of Azeroth to establish a delivery network all over the planet called Azeroth Express.
Features: Construct outposts and establish flight points and shipping lanes to speed up travel. Defend them from attacks and raids. Utilize and customize new forms of transport to help you deliver mail and parcels.
New Zone: Darkmoon Island Revamp - Silas Darkmoon set up some fancy pillars but they were overgrown. He's also added a gambling mini-game.