The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Well, my version of WoW 2.0 couldn't happen because of a complexity that Blizz writers aren't capable of doing well.
And at this point I don't believe Blizz cares at all about their inadequacy in doing anything right. As long as they have a core group cheerleaders that is willing to pay them for a few months of play it's all good.

That sounds tragically stupid. They are being acquired. The devs are safe for the medium term. Upper and middle management are not safe at all. Anyone who fails to impress in the months after the acquisition will be replaced. And unlike the lower level devs, I doubt management is underpaid.

[Makorus]

People want the world to feel bigger but then bitch that the Dragon isles is actually made relevant outside of this expansion.

Baffling.

[Nymrohd]

People want the world to feel bigger but then bitch that the Dragon isles is actually made relevant outside of this expansion.

Baffling.

You think it would be? If they actually plant it in a DF zone without ease of access for Kalimdor you think it will be revisited? Not to mention it would be Night Elf capital as part of a neutral plot? So would that mean Horde races would have to have access to it?

[Pheraz]

People want the world to feel bigger but then bitch that the Dragon isles is actually made relevant outside of this expansion.

Baffling.

Well, looking back at the last expansions, apart from BFA with dark empire parallel dimension blends/invasions, where did we ever go back to a zone outside of scenarios?
It would be "OK" if they would do this from now on, even though the world tree being on kalimdor would be cooler, but I really really doubt it.

[Makabreska]

You think it would be? If they actually plant it in a DF zone without ease of access for Kalimdor you think it will be revisited? Not to mention it would be Night Elf capital as part of a neutral plot? So would that mean Horde races would have to have access to it?

And how much other, non SW/Ogri capitals are revisited? Let's face it people, all these other places are pretty much useless and empty. For years the main focus was on new continent zones and faction capitals. The one time Undercity/Teldrassil were in the spotlight in the past decade was when they were getting destroyed for shock value during BfA launch. They want to plant a new Nelf capital? Cool, bur let's not suddenly expect it will be some big, new player hub. Especially when considering that faction division is still a thing (or maybe it will be a next step towards unification?).

[Nymrohd]

And how much other, non SW/Ogri capitals are revisited? Let's face it people, all these other places are pretty much useless and empty. For years the main focus was on new continent zones and faction capitals. The one time Undercity/Teldrassil were in the spotlight in the past decade was when they were getting destroyed for shock value during BfA launch.

Not untrue. It still feels weird because it places what would be a capital quite far from the rest of the races' population. Even beyond the revamp/update hopes it moves the focus of Night Elves away from Northern Kalimdor which is what we identify with them. It would be like relocating the Forsaken from Lordaeron to Theramore (it's right next to Orgrimmar, the foundations of the city are there, it's a good port, they could have done it).

[Makabreska]

Race capitals are an obsolete and wasteful concept Blizz moved away from ages ago and use them only for an odd quest here and there. Last ones were in BC for Belves and Draenei (and they are empty af). After that? Worgens and Goblins - no capital, what could be them was turned into leveling zones that were never revisited. Same with Pandarens, AR's and now Dracthyrs. Not really sure what would they cook up with this potential new Nelf capital but I am convinced we wont need a place that is simply a new, big city hub.

[Shadowferal]

Race capitals are an obsolete and wasteful concept Blizz moved away from ages ago and use them only for an odd quest here and there. Last ones were in BC for Belves and Draenei (and they are empty af). After that? Worgens and Goblins - no capital, what could be them was turned into leveling zones that were never revisited. Same with Pandarens, AR's and now Dracthyrs. Not really sure what would they cook up with this potential new Nelf capital but I am convinced we wont need a place that is simply a new, big city hub.

As I recall you are equally dismissive, when you're not shitting on, lore as a whole.

[Nymrohd]

Race capitals are an obsolete and wasteful concept Blizz moved away from ages ago and use them only for an odd quest here and there. Last ones were in BC for Belves and Draenei (and they are empty af). After that? Worgens and Goblins - no capital, what could be them was turned into leveling zones that were never revisited. Same with Pandarens, AR's and now Dracthyrs. Not really sure what would they cook up with this potential new Nelf capital but I am convinced we wont need a place that is simply a new, big city hub.

Honestly the only way I could see racial capitals being reinvigorated is if we had something like a PARTIAL world revamp and in each expac the local capitals become the main cities for the faction. E.g. you could do Lordaeron and Quel'thalas and have Gilnear and Silvermoon as the expansion capitals (and make Lordaeron and Stromgarde as faction-specific projects that get rebuilt during the xpac). Do Northern Kalimdor and instead of using Orgrimmar, move the action to Thunder Bluff plus the new NElf capital. But I think that is wildly improbable.

Another thing that could strongly invigorate racial capitals is of course Housing.

[Makabreska]

As I recall you are equally dismissive, when you're not shitting on, lore as a whole.

Tell me more how still salty you are because some other guy on the internet likes story things you don't like.

[Shadowferal]

Tell me more how still salty you are because some other guy on the internet likes story things you don't like.

Oh you mean the few lines of text that justifies "anything goes?"
Sure...great storytelling!

[Makabreska]

Oh you mean the few lines of text that justifies "anything goes?"
Sure...great storytelling!

Better than "Illidan should stay dead in Outlands during fina BL invasion".

[Shadowferal]

Better than "Illidan should stay dead in Outlands during fina BL invasion".

I'll look forward to your cheering when Sylvanas makes a comeback too.

[Makabreska]

I'll look forward to your cheering when Sylvanas makes a comeback too.

If this is how you like to spend your time on the internet, sure. But peeps I hang with usually don't have such issues with handling other people lore/story opinions.

[Sondrelk]

The only aspect that bothers me is that an Ardenweald tree and not a night elf tree. The branch is not even filled, it seems empty.
Design aside, I love that it's on the Dragon Islands. It gives this expansion for the first time in a long time RELEVANCE.

To believe that you are never satisfied...

There is an Emerald Dream Portal as well as the Green Dragons. And many of you say there is no connection?
Additionally, it is on the Eastern Kingdoms side, which is more strategically advantageous since they have the Dragonflights + their Alliance allies nearby.

Why would there be stuff in it already? It looks like it just grew. Do you expect the tree to come with pre-grown housing?

[Sondrelk]

Not untrue. It still feels weird because it places what would be a capital quite far from the rest of the races' population. Even beyond the revamp/update hopes it moves the focus of Night Elves away from Northern Kalimdor which is what we identify with them. It would be like relocating the Forsaken from Lordaeron to Theramore (it's right next to Orgrimmar, the foundations of the city are there, it's a good port, they could have done it).

I would say it's more like relocating the Forsaken to whatever place in Northrend, like the Scarlet Crusade towns, or whatever the Forsaken village on the eastern side was called.

It's a perfectly decent choice narratively, and you could easily link it up to Forsaken holdings in Tirisfal and whatever, but it's still not really that fitting for Forsaken in general.
A good example in my mind for Forsaken locations outside Brill would be the town whose name escapes me in Eastern Plaguelands, or Stratholme.

For the Nelves a good choice for new town outside Teldrassil would be Hyjal or Feralas.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Oh you mean the few lines of text that justifies "anything goes?"
Sure...great storytelling!

Better than "Illidan should stay dead in Outlands during fina BL invasion".

When you strike a conflict between Anumidium and Professor Pangloss, you will invariably have two people who are always half-right and never fully-so.

[Skytotem]

I think you forgot Azeroth is a globe: Dragon Isles is right next to Teldrassil if you go the opposite direction. (Edit: The great impassible ocean is further south. Don't forget the entirety of the map is the northern hemisphere. So in terms of relative distance, if Silvermoon is Europe, Teldrassil/Azuremist/Hyjal/Winterspring is Canada, Northrend is Greenland & The Dragon Isles is Iceland)

I don't think that's true, the lore about Avaloren and Nightsquall implies there's a lot more ocean east of EK and west of Kalimdor with stuff in it.

Otherwise Medivh never would've told people to sail West to Kalimdor cause it'd have been faster to go east :P

[Khaza-R]

Race capitals are an obsolete and wasteful concept Blizz moved away from ages ago and use them only for an odd quest here and there. Last ones were in BC for Belves and Draenei (and they are empty af). After that? Worgens and Goblins - no capital, what could be them was turned into leveling zones that were never revisited. Same with Pandarens, AR's and now Dracthyrs. Not really sure what would they cook up with this potential new Nelf capital but I am convinced we wont need a place that is simply a new, big city hub.

I mean, they only that way because they purposefully made them that way.

With every convenience added to the game cities became more unnecessary. That doesn't mean it was a good design change for the game. And it also doesn't mean they can't innovate the original concept of them being social hubs with more modern design elements.

[Makabreska]

I mean, they only that way because they purposefully made them that way.

With every convenience added to the game cities became more unnecessary. That doesn't mean it was a good design change for the game. And it also doesn't mean they can't innovate the original concept of them being social hubs with more modern design elements.

Sure they can innovate, but I would rather like they focus on new stuff/places with some updates to old content. They seem to prefer doing that over revamping old stuff, anyway.