The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Teriz]

Its strange because there was next to 0 buildup for the dragon isles. The only actual Ingame hint was from an expansion prior to 9.0, an island expedition quest that only stated that Wrathion was looking for it.

Other than the terminally online turbo nerds, did the average player know about the dragon isles? I'd argue not.

You’re missing a crucial component; We also had multiple popular characters related to or from that location. That’s part of the build up too. This is especially the case with Wrathion who we’ve known since he was an egg in Cataclysm.

We’re invested in Wrathion, so if he’s going to the Dragon Isles we’ll go with him. We’re not invested in anyone or anything related to Avaloren.

Again, it’s the lore, it’s the characters, or it’s both. Avaloren has neither the lore or the characters.

[Ebonn]

Craftsman Totes are sold nationwide, but it is kinda interesting it'd be in an AI photo too.

Agreed. But like many smarter people than me have said, those AI image generators need to be thoroughly trained, and I find it unlikely at best that they would produce those exact bins that Blizzard is using.

[blaatschaap]

At this rate we'll easily hit 3k. Easily. I imagine the pace will only keep ramping up

[Chickat]

They do, pretty often. Still hoping it’s not real but once again I have seen rooms that look exactly like this one way too many times. On the ceiling, there are some beams that look warped, and I haven’t seen anyone use those as evidence it’s AI, which would be fair, but I’ve seen warped and bent support beams in those rooms too lol.

Chickat, did you see the two photos I posted together with the storage bins that look similar?

No. I may not be there yet. Im about 3 hours behind.

[Ebonn]

No. I may not be there yet. Im about 3 hours behind.

<3 I’ll zen out then lol

[FossilFree]

Not a leak, just my final guess: clash of two (or more) cosmic forces, probably related to Avaloren, but goes cosmic. Void will be presented on a more positive manner but not as "the good guys". Main idea is that there's no absolutes, so Azerothians have to choose their own destiny beyond what the cosmic forces want for them.

I'd rather see the cosmic forces presented in this way tbh. Each cosmic force can have its own good guys and bad guys, rather than the force itself being all or nothing.

Yrel is an obvious one for the light. Maybe we do meet a good-natured Old God that just wanted to nurture life or something (Xal'atath?) and the other bad-natured Old Gods were their enemies. How about some good fel lords? That would be interesting. The new Man'ari have already kind of started down that path too. The Sporemound could even be a bad guy version of life. Etc.

[McCallahan]

Again, I want to believe it’s AI, but when building sets and stages, the way people do things sometimes is whacky and I’ve seen all that shit irl before.

It's not about being whacky, it's about the image generation software making errors. Issues with perspective can arise from photography, but not that many. Has nothing to do with building a stage and everything to do with the AI software not making distinctions between where the boxes should end and the floor should start. AI software does not know what a box is, it has a library of boxes it tries to replicate based on the prompts, but it's currently imperfect and makes errors like what you see.

[Harbour]

- Avaloren is not the next expansion
- SoA acronym has already been leaked
- WoW Synthwave Beats to Chill To l Together at BlizzCon is a clue.

The sands reveal all secrets.

Oh look, 22mage pretends to be the SoA guy by using leaked Spiritborn D4 class.
So, Sands of A....?

[Chickat]

Imagine housing as the only new gameplay feature, this would be the lamest thing ever since garrisons, especially with housing being a fluff feature at best. Two races they just pulled out of their asses won’t help either. The next expansion needs not only a great story hook, but also something for long-term gameplay that keeps player going.

Whether or not its a fluff feature or not. Its a HUGE amount of work and would have to take the place of 2 or 3 other features.

[McCallahan]

- World of Warcraft: Light's Wrath

- New void/light specs for all the classes featuring: Shadow Hunter, Scarlet Crusader, Shaman Defiliers, Druids of the Decay
- New race customization: the further you go down the story, the more Light/Void cosmetic options you open for your character (account wide)
- Dragonriding and mounts: dragonriding everywhere, just like your character, the mounts will attain discernable cosmetic effects based on your affinity
- Systems: more specs reworks, the TBK's locations in Eastern Kingdom and Kalimdor are revamped and integrated into the main Map, just like Fel Flame for Warlocks, via various in-game activities you can unlock additional effects and colors for your spells and weapons, the glyphs are extended and integrated into the barbershop system

- Synopsis: On the Alternate Draenor - Light blessed Yrel with 3000 Holy Xenedars of Naaru and charged with an assignment to reclaim Void-ridden Azeroth for itself. Align yourself with unexpected ally - Xal'atath to fend of the Light's aggression

Lmao you couldn't make sure your prompt included the T in Warcraft?

[Moth Preacher]

Lmao you couldn't make sure your prompt included the T in Warcraft?

Yes, it's that shitty. Also, no World of.

We're going into Warcraft, baby

[Marlamin]

So we think thats fake now?

The other stage image? We don't know. As shown in other examples it's possible to get pretty damn close with AI images from DALL-E/Bing that generate pretty similar features (floor, forklifts, lights, boxes, workers etc) and with some postprocessing to e.g. add in the bins from the official set tease and fix up some other details and add blur to cover up AI messups it may very well be fake. But, at the end of the day we simply don't know. Just because it could relatively easy be faked isn't automatically the same as it being fake, the same as something being harder to fake (e.g. the 4 screens) not automatically being real either.

[ercarp]

Oh look, 22mage pretends to be the SoA guy by using leaked Spiritborn D4 class.
So, Sands of A....?

I'm all for believing that @22mage22 is every leaker all at once, but this is actually the original Spiritborn leaker posting. Check their post history.

[Moth Preacher]

Just played 20 minutes with different prompts and some were very close to the "stage leak". Still boxes are much more scuffed

[Ebonn]

It's not about being whacky, it's about the image generation software making errors. Issues with perspective can arise from photography, but not that many. Has nothing to do with building a stage and everything to do with the AI software not making distinctions between where the boxes should end and the floor should start. AI software does not know what a box is, it has a library of boxes it tries to replicate based on the prompts, but it's currently imperfect and makes errors like what you see.

What errors? Please be specific. Because most, if not all, that I have seen pointed out are not solid enough to use as proof. Any that have been pointed out so far I can easily explain, and I’m not saying it is real or Im a genius. I’m not. I’m just saying if you’re gonna make a claim of something is certain then the proof needs to be ironclad. All those boxes look real to me. Please, prove me wrong, I think it’s all ugly and don’t want to see that as the next expac lol.

[Azalar]

The other stage image? We don't know. As shown in other examples it's possible to get pretty damn close with AI images from DALL-E/Bing that generate pretty similar features (floor, forklifts, lights, boxes, workers etc) and with some postprocessing to e.g. add in the bins from the official set tease and fix up some other details and add blur to cover up AI messups it may very well be fake. But, at the end of the day we simply don't know. Just because it could relatively easy be faked isn't automatically the same as it being fake, the same as something being harder to fake (e.g. the 4 screens) not automatically being real either.

It kinda saddens me that we're never believing any image anymore. It's all now AI misinformation

[Moth Preacher]

Kinda fun to see how AI view WoW logos
https://imgur.com/a/C94VRsR

[Gwynvael]

It kinda saddens me that we're never believing any image anymore. It's all now AI misinformation

I believe we're gonna get a gigaleak any minute.

*huffs copium*

[Harbour]

I managed to decrypt this. It translates into binary which translates into "Prison of Khaz".

Tells us nothing.

So, i turned on my vibing sensor and cooked up following connection:
Khaz may mean Khaz'goroth
Khaz'goroth is a worldshaper
Prison of Khaz may mean the world-prison shaped by Khaz'goroth
Khaz'goroth gave the power to Earth Aspect
Iridikron is also Earth affilate character and Neltharion's rival
Maybe Prison of Khaz is Azeroth itself
Place to seclude the worst things in the universe
And all keepers that supposedly were created to protect Azeroth actually was meant to be the jailers.

Which factually is something we already know (Keepers keep Old Gods in their prisons), so yeah, it factually tells us nothing new. Except for maybe that we will go deeper inside the planet, since all of this is deeply connected to the earth itself.

[Hygardt]

- Avaloren is not the next expansion
- SoA acronym has already been leaked
- WoW Synthwave Beats to Chill To l Together at BlizzCon is a clue.

The sands reveal all secrets.

Secrets of Azeroth? Time travel expansion to pre-sundering Azeroth where we find out more stuff about the Titans' true intentions?

Wouldn't mind that.