The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Unless its not a home.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean that's exactly where the last one was. A nowhere stretch of the coast of Kalimdor, far from any of their existing settlements, former cities, or even their own sentinel garrison.

You could literally see Hyjal and Nordrassil from Teldrassil and dark shore was right next to all their night elf holdings for the last 10k years.

The dragon isle isn’t at all the same scenario.

[Hellspawn]

I mean that's exactly where the last one was. A nowhere stretch of the coast of Kalimdor, far from any of their existing settlements, former cities, or even their own sentinel garrison.

They should just stay in Stormwind, it is literally next to Hyjal /s

[Cheezits]

It makes no sense of those who say this is a portal to the emerald dream when there is already a portal right next to it.

Good point. It could just be the heart of the tree, or maybe a direct portal to wherever the tree is in the Dream itself.

That being said, the Green Dragon portal goes to the Dreamway, which is NOT a new area. So maybe they feel the need to make a new portal?

[Shadowferal]

Hell, stick the tree right back where it was. Turn NElf society neutral with a military leaning with a scorched earth policy against forsaken and make everyone playing NElf happy.

[Super Dickmann]

Hell, stick the tree right back where it was. Turn NElf society neutral with a military leaning with a scorched earth policy against forsaken and make everyone playing NElf happy.

They've no common border with the Forsaken. The Forsaken-Night Elf content was always a mistake because it had no emotional charge on one-side. It barely has one on the Night Elf side in as much as Night Elf grievances are chiefly with Sylvanas and even the War of Thorns put orcs, trolls etc. on the forefront. As it should because orcs and night elves is the natural Kalimdor opposition. Choosing to put that out of focus and make what'll be the final fight for Kalimdor and its epilogue as being Sylvanas's psychodrama and then some bizarre Forsaken police action on the other side of the world from Lordaeron is among the myriad fuck-ups of BFA.

[Shadowferal]

They've no common border with the Forsaken. The Forsaken-Night Elf content was always a mistake because it had no emotional charge on one-side. .

I know. And I'm certain you know, I know. I'm going with the parameters presented, with the exception of the concept of neutrality.

I just as soon rewrite the whole damn lore.

[Super Dickmann]

I know. And I'm certain you know, I know. I'm going with the parameters presented, with the exception of the concept of neutrality.

I just as soon rewrite the whole damn lore.

Wouldn't we all? I entirely support the Night Elves torching any Forsaken who trespasses, but their reconquista should be directed towards Kalimdor and hence it should put them in conflict with the orcs. The way forward for Night Elves is to be Alliance in name only, easily achieved as faction restrictions are basically off anyway, and become a hostile force towards any intruders to their land, reuniting with their forest allies to do so.

Sadly, Blizzard don't have the balls, so another tree it is.

[Makorus]

You think it would be? If they actually plant it in a DF zone without ease of access for Kalimdor you think it will be revisited? Not to mention it would be Night Elf capital as part of a neutral plot? So would that mean Horde races would have to have access to it?

Sure, but it's still a better step towards making non-Kalimdor/EK zones relevant after their expansion is over. People want the game to evolve but every time Blizzard does move the status quo (for better or for worse) people bitch about how it's not exactly like Vanilla.

Not to mention it would be Night Elf capital as part of a neutral plot?

Why?

[Cheezits]

Too many people don't care about the lore for Nelves to be what the hardcore Nelf players want them to be. It's never going to happen and especially not after the fanbase reaction to BFA.

People don't think about the people who are fine with how WoW Nelves are would react to their race and faction hubs suddenly being full of assholes and xenos.

[Lahis]

Incase somebody still somehow had any doubts the tree would be grown on Dragon Isles.

[Cheezits]

Incase somebody still somehow had any doubts the tree would be grown on Dragon Isles.

I can't tell if the one in the cinematic is that size or not. It's definitely not big enough to be a city, so I'm guessing it's just mid-growth this expansion.

[Super Dickmann]

Too many people don't care about the lore for Nelves to be what the hardcore Nelf players want them to be. It's never going to happen and especially not after the fanbase reaction to BFA.

People don't think about the people who are fine with how WoW Nelves are would react to their race and faction hubs suddenly being full of assholes and xenos.

The people who don't care about it don't care about the plot anyway and will still have the bouncy models to go with. There's a reason there's so many void elf players and it's not because of their magnificent lore, but because their model looks good. The same will apply to night elves.

As for those who do care, WC3 Night Elves are by far more popular than any other variant of the race. This isn't an orc situation where you have people who like WC3 orcs and people who like WC2 orcs and they both comprise a fair number of people, I've yet to see a single night elf player on this forum or any other who like the route the race has taken since Vanilla and want them to be milquetoast human orbiters. At most you've people defending night elf mages because class options.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Ha they are really going through with it, the writer team are such hacks, but we’ve known that since shadowlands.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Too many people don't care about the lore for Nelves to be what the hardcore Nelf players want them to be. It's never going to happen and especially not after the fanbase reaction to BFA.

People don't think about the people who are fine with how WoW Nelves are would react to their race and faction hubs suddenly being full of assholes and xenos.

Its very stupid because its just saying an entire race is just one dimensional and let alone a lot of Nelf fans appreciate the race but aren't all about the xenophobia and "savagery" which one orc said. People really took with the xenophobia and aggressiveness and ran with it not even considering things had changed Post WCIII. You can argue they could of done more with them but regressing them back to WCIII status(Much like how MoP tried to do that to Orcs by regressing them back to the Old Horde) doesn't help and quite frankly AS a Night Elf fan(God forbid I go against the vocal grain) I don't want Nelves to turn into Purple Orcs. You can have your assertive Night Elves but don't paint it as "Yeah we don't need no one even though time and time again the Alliance has helped us.(Minus the one time I think Anduin was made to look bad stupidily)."

Back to the Tree though. Based on Alexstraza(Or whoever is voicing it) words, I believe the tree will be in the Dragon Isles if only because the Dragons new home is the Dragon Isles. It doesn't have to mean the new capitol/ Nelven home is on the tree or the tree for that matter. Thats what I am hoping for but I cannot say for certainty. The most unlikely at this point is the tree is somewhere not on the Isles, it just wouldn't mesh with the dialogue. I am free to admit I could be wrong but.... /shrug


If the home is on the Dragon Isles. Well expect confusion(Blizz should). Kalimdor is the Nelves home for a reason and they should at least be self aware of that. You don't need to be a hardcore Nelf fan to realize Ashenvale, Kalimdor is basically Night Elf land(I realize Durotar and such is for the Horde but you get the point). I also wonder if there will be a Emerald Dream patch, cause if there is, that tree will be in danger. I will have a hard time processing Blizzard's lore team is that tone deaf, we shall see and I am not gonna bang my desk metaphorically or literally over the results. There are far worse things to worry about.


TLDR: We'll have to see the cinematic in context and what happens after words in DragonFlight.

Ha they are really going through with it, the writer team are such hacks, but we’ve known that since shadowlands.

We saw an image with no context on the Dragon Isles, let alone what 10.2 would even be and what ramifications that is.

[Nymrohd]

Back to the Tree though. Based on Alexstraza(Or whoever is voicing it) words, I believe the tree will be in the Dragon Isles if only because the Dragons new home is the Dragon Isles. It doesn't have to mean the new capitol/ Nelven home is on the tree or the tree for that matter. Thats what I am hoping for but I cannot say for certainty. The most unlikely at this point is the tree is somewhere not on the Isles, it just wouldn't mesh with the dialogue. I am free to admit I could be wrong but.... /shrug

The thing is, the Night elf souls pretty much were sacrificed to create this tree. Thousands of souls denied an afterlife for what I think we all assumed was to create a new homeland for their people. Not a garden decoration for green dragons who did not lift a finger when their people were attacked by the Horde again and again

[Cheezits]

Considering the tree is so small, maybe it will grow in the 10.2 finale? That would explain why the zone is the dream and NOT the tree.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Exactly. Stop the denial, guys.
And anyway we all knew it since the Dragonflight map was revealed.

We knew they would but we could
Still hope they would pull back given how moronic it is.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The thing is, the Night elf souls pretty much were sacrificed to create this tree. Thousands of souls denied an afterlife for what I think we all assumed was to create a new homeland for their people. Not a garden decoration for green dragons who did not lift a finger when their people were attacked by the Horde again and again

I doubt the Nelves are really uncaring about the Green Dragons being neutral to what happened to Teldrassil. That is just you projecting. It isn't just a "decoration"

Considering the tree is so small, maybe it will grow in the 10.2 finale? That would explain why the zone is the dream and NOT the tree.

I suppose, it depends what the conflict in 10.2 is. I wonder if the Primalists will or rather Vyranoth will attack the Emerald Dream and by Proxy the tree around that time.

Exactly. Stop the denial, guys.
And anyway we all knew it since the Dragonflight map was revealed.

When there's not a lot of context, yeah we shouldn't jump to conclusions. So far we know the big tree is gonna be there, thats it. It could be their home, I don't deny it but I'm not gonna discount that part will be not relevant.

[Cheezits]

In a meta sense, I'm starting to believe the "city is in the dream" idea because it works exactly like how Darnassus did: a city you went to through a portal at the base of a giant tree. I know the actual canon explanation was that you were porting up the tree and into the city, but maybe they are using that idea to explain how you get to the new Nelf settlement? It would be more fitting than the Dragon Isles for their new city to be located in the Dream, albeit still not as much as Kalimdor.

Either that or the "mini-tree" really is just a red herring and the actual fully grown tree will feature in the patch.