The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

I doubt the Nelves are really uncaring about the Green Dragons being neutral to what happened to Teldrassil. That is just you projecting. It isn't just a "decoration"

What on earth? What am I projecting? And what is the purpose of the tree in the isles if it is not a home?

[Khaza-R]

Its possible Nordrassil gets empowered and revived too. And the two trees in unison act as gateways to the lifelands and Ardenweald.

Wasn't there some map datamined about Hyjal anyway back in the alpha/beta?

[Hellspawn]

Its possible Nordrassil gets empowered and revived too. And the two trees in unison act as gateways to the lifelands and Ardenweald.

Wasn't there some map datamined about Hyjal anyway back in the alpha/beta?

We have some shots from a sort of ingame cinematic of Hyjal for some DF trailer I think.
I hope that Nelf stuff gets focused on Hyjal but then... why plant the tree with the elf souls which serves as "new beginning" on an isle on the other side of the world?

[Cheezits]

We have some shots from a sort of ingame cinematic of Hyjal for some DF trailer I think.
I hope that Nelf stuff gets focused on Hyjal but then... why plant the tree with the elf souls which serves as "new beginning" on an isle on the other side of the world?

It could be a new "homeland" for the elves that is disconnected from their Kalimdor settlements. The reasoning could be it's to protect the tree from outside influence, or it's simply connected to Kalimdor through the Dream.

[Kiivar86]

The new city being through a portal to the Dream would make it pretty defensible, to say the least.

(Assuming no issues with the Nightmare, of course)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

There is nothing silly. It's even a very good thing, it's the first time that they integrate a relevant element on the long term in an extension. That's literally what a lot of people want. It's not a bunch of neurotics attached to the past and traditions of Warcraft III who will have an opinion with a little hindsight...

Is this your first expansion or something? The wrath gate set the tone for the forsaken going forward and started the first proper war since WC3, cata was cata and needs no explanation, mop shook up the factions gave the alliance a high king stopped the conflict in ashenvale and gave the horde Azara, ect ect ect.

Almost every expan has integrated long term changes and most of them did it without disregarding almost all history and lore around a race and there home land.

This is a fucking awful idea only shadowed by other awful ones since shadowlands.

[Nymrohd]

The new city being through a portal to the Dream would make it pretty defensible, to say the least.

(Assuming no issues with the Nightmare, of course)

That's one bold assumption.

[Raetary]

Relocating the Nelves from their ancestral homelands to some islands they have no connection to, and that probably just to use it as a mcguffin for Vyranoth to go after, is an insanely moronic thing.

[Cheezits]

Relocating the Nelves from their ancestral homelands to some islands they have no connection to, and that probably just to use it as a mcguffin for Vyranoth to go after, is an insanely moronic thing.

They are THE Life race, and the Dragons are majority-rules also a Life species (Red and Green) on the closest thing to the Life Island. It does make some sense even if the lore isn't there outside of the connection between Greens and Nelves.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We obviously don't have the same definition of the word relevance.
Are you going back to the Cataclysm zones yourself? Do you often go back to Pandaria? Or in Draenor? Or at Legion?
Putting the new world tree in the Dragon Isles, and therefore making their new capital there, makes the expansion relevant in the long run since it is a story that goes beyond the Dragon Isles and integrates directly into Azeroth, forming a whole.
Yes the previous expansions have progressed the story, congratulations captain obvious. but all became obsolete the following extension.

Oh Sweet summer child.

there not make it some where we will return to regularly just like they didn’t give us Gilneas back even though the horde left it or use the order hall or the Vindicator once legion ended.

[Luck4]

And Cataclysm felt weak as they literally cut half of the elemental planes from the lineup - the same fuckup they did with Ny'alotha. These things should always be playable zones, not just Dungeons or raids. MMO Champion may shit on Shadowlands but it was far superior to cutting stuff short and making things only available via instanced content (which was especially bad with the Abyssal Maw lol). Even Argus was kinda wasted potential as they could have easily added f.e. Kil'Jaeden's palace as another raid. Actually, I'm convinced that Argus may have been originally a smaller (yearly) expansion like WoD which got changed into patch content during Legion's development in order to get more content out for Legion once they realized that yearly ones weren't doable, alongside with feedback on WoD's Orc fatigue after SoO.

I agree about Argus and Nya'lotha, but not about the elemental planes, they're bland, alien, and boring as Shadowlands was, so I hope the remaining cosmic planes/dimensions exploration is cut short as much as possible, so we can move into more interesting themes and stories.

[Reive]

I'm tired of night elf players and their tears. i just want blizzard to close the teldrassil plot and move on. if the tree is on the dragon isles who cares.

[Nymrohd]

I'm tired of night elf players and their tears. i just want blizzard to close the teldrassil plot and move on. if the tree is on the dragon isles who cares.

I'm tired of raiders complaining that a revamp would cost as a raid tier. Let it cost two for all I care.
See, we can do it too

[huth]

They are THE Life race, and the Dragons are majority-rules also a Life species (Red and Green) on the closest thing to the Life Island. It does make some sense even if the lore isn't there outside of the connection between Greens and Nelves.

It's not like they're new to relocating anyway. Their ancestral lands are largely suboceanic in the present, and Tyrande's old home city is actually closer to the Dragon Isles than to Hyjal.

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I'm tired of raiders complaining that a revamp would cost as a raid tier. Let it cost two for all I care.
See, we can do it too

The bigger issue i see is that it would cost us a continent or two. There's really not remotely enough benefit to it for it to be worthwhile unless it can somehow be integrated into the current story... and that would completely negate any use it would have for those wanting a revamp.

[Hugnomo]

I kinda like that the tree is in the Dragon Isles idk? I love the idea of dragonriding from it and towards it. Plus, from the leak, it's looking gorgeous. I hope we get a bit of an Arcan'dor type deal where we see it develop over time.

But I'm certainly very annoyed at how vicious and over the top some self proclaimed night elf fans respond to anything related to them. The amount of toxicity and insults towards the devs are unacceptable.

EDIT:

Also, just want to throw a theory out there:
Considering that the dead night elves souls are within the seed that's going to sprout, one theory I had was that the tree would sprout those dead night elves as a new, reborn, ardenweldified allied race, and that the tree would be their city/hub). And from the seeds of this tree, they could plant a new world tree in Kalimdor.

Just an idea for those who'd prefer the night elf capital city in kalimdor.

[Reive]

I kinda like that the tree is in the Dragon Isles idk? I love the idea of dragonriding from it and towards it. Plus, from the leak, it's looking gorgeous. I hope we get a bit of an Arcan'dor type deal where we see it develop over time.

But I'm certainly very annoyed at how vicious and over the top some self proclaimed night elf fans respond to anything related to them. The amount of toxicity and insults towards the devs are unacceptable.

"NOOOOOOOO IT HAS TO BE ON KALIMDOR!! IF YOU PUT IT ON THE DRAGON ISLES I'M LITERALLY GOING TO DIE!!!"

^the average nelf rper

[Cheezits]

"NOOOOOOOO IT HAS TO BE ON KALIMDOR!! IF YOU PUT IT THERE I'M LITERALLY GOING TO DIE!!!"

^the average nelf rper

This is basically how it's going down on WoW twitter. I have already seen posts about how if it's not on Kalimdor, the story is pro-colonization and pro-fascism because it means the "Horde won" and are kicking the Nelves out of Kalimdor.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It's not like they're new to relocating anyway. Their ancestral lands are largely suboceanic in the present, and Tyrande's old home city is actually closer to the Dragon Isles than to Hyjal.

They have been in the same place for ten thousand years and Tyrande’s home city has completely changed since she lived there and has been under the control of 3 separate leaders looking to end the world with the last one committing genocide on the night elfs and the night Bourne still going along with them.

The idea that they should be fine with leaving ten thousand years of homeland and would would want thing to do with there pre sundering home or the people living there is ridiculous.

[Nymrohd]

It could be a new "homeland" for the elves that is disconnected from their Kalimdor settlements. The reasoning could be it's to protect the tree from outside influence, or it's simply connected to Kalimdor through the Dream.

Again, protect something by placing it in the dream? Are we in a different Azeroth where the dream doesn't get infected by the Nightmare every day ending in "y"?

[Gurahk]

I kinda like that the tree is in the Dragon Isles idk? I love the idea of dragonriding from it and towards it. Plus, from the leak, it's looking gorgeous. I hope we get a bit of an Arcan'dor type deal where we see it develop over time.

But I'm certainly very annoyed at how vicious and over the top some self proclaimed night elf fans respond to anything related to them. The amount of toxicity and insults towards the devs are unacceptable.

Yup, I'm a little biased as I play an orc, but I've been vocal about Blizz's poor handling of orc and orc culture in recent years, but it pales in comparison to the shitstorm whenever Night Elves get involved.
I get that Night Elves haven't had the best of luck recently, but to be honest that applies to a bunch of races and cultures from the game. Nearly every race has been gutted or standardized from their WC3 form, so to claim that Nelves are the only/biggest victims is just silly. Again, not a big fan of the writing but Blizz has been pretty insistent especially with Dragonflight releasing that they don't really want to repeat of BfA. Let's just see how this plays out before bringing out the pitchforks.