The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Houle]

EXACTLY

10.2 heavily implies all those characters are going to have somewhat of a role in 11.0

I mean look at Ysera, she's been building up some shit since legion and it seems like it's about to reach it's climax in 11.0 since she hasn't done anything worthwhile in DF. Not to mention the murloc pet too

Now we got some sort of Eonar and Elune thing going on.

What about Azshara? Can't imagine her have any interest in an underground exp.

Arguing that Azshara or Elune wouldnt fit into an underground expansion is pretty pointless, considering Blizz has proven time and time again that they absolutely can and will pull whatever they want out of their ass to make it so.
They want Azshara to be in an underground expansion? They can make up some new MacGuffin power-source that shes searching for there. Perhaps even Azeroths core itself or smth. They want Elune to play a role? Make the races that live there connected to her in some way.
Bottom line is pretty much always, when Blizz wants someone to play a role in something, they can absolute force it in there. Especially when the location/setting is very much undefined and new so far.

A joke can easily be insulting. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

If an obvious pornhub joke is that insulting to you then idk dude, sounds like you need to relax a bit

[Revamp Man]

Maybe not every asset but my point still stands, no? If these images are supposed to be showing off locations from a new expansion, you’d think blizzard would try a bit harder to make use of actual new assets, as has been the case historically.

Also, OT but you’re the second person I’ve seen being needlessly cruel/using hurtful language about Zelris in this thread simply for being passionate on their own Twitter account. Have I missed her doing something to deserve this? Or are do we just hate all Twitter users on here for some reason?

Cruel?
Calm down there hoss
And nobody is saying they hate the person who said "this is totally fake ill prove it 100%...OK 50% but the 50% I cover will be like 40% reused and retextures assets so I'm 100% right

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Much as I want a new class, we're still trying to recuperate from Augmentation being added in.. and there are still several other specs that probably in a dire need of changes in the next expansion.

So, I doubt we'll get a new class until they fix a lot of issues that other classes are going through.... Remember, it wasn't until 10.1 that they had to completely rework paladins and later on Mages.. and now they're doing reworks for Demon Hunters and Rogues for 10.2

There is 0% chance of them adding a new clas but a huge possibility of reworks and new specs

I'm holding out hope for WW being saved

[Teriz]

EXACTLY

10.2 heavily implies all those characters are going to have somewhat of a role in 11.0

I mean look at Ysera, she's been building up some shit since legion and it seems like it's about to reach it's climax in 11.0 since she hasn't done anything worthwhile in DF. Not to mention the murloc pet too

Now we got some sort of Eonar and Elune thing going on.

That’s a bit of a stretch. Keep in mind that 10.2 doesn’t go directly into 11.0. There’s still over a year’s worth of story and patches between 10.2 and 11.0. There’s 10.2.5, 10.2.7, and who knows after that. All those story beats you’re talking about are likely tied up long before the next expansion.

Remember Nzoth in 8.3? Yeah, he didn’t make it to 9.0.

What about Azshara? Can't imagine her have any interest in an underground exp.

Azshara is directly tied to the old gods, the elements, and the Harbinger. If Nzoth is coming back in some form, so will she.

[Well Done Steak]

Arguing that Azshara or Elune wouldnt fit into an underground expansion is pretty pointless, considering Blizz has proven time and time again that they absolutely can and will pull whatever they want out of their ass to make it so.
They want Azshara to be in an underground expansion? They can make up some new MacGuffin power-source that shes searching for there. Perhaps even Azeroths core itself or smth. They want Elune to play a role? Make the races that live there connected to her in some way.
Bottom line is pretty much always, when Blizz wants someone to play a role in something, they can absolute force it in there. Especially when the location/setting is very much undefined and new so far.

I mean yeah, you're absolutely right. They can force anything they want. But that's more of a devil's advocate argument.

Realistically speaking, it's unlikely.

[Woggmer]

There is 0% chance of them adding a new clas but a huge possibility of reworks and new specs

I'm holding out hope for WW being saved

There is a slight chance that they could do revamps to some specs in 10.2.5 (at least get them set up for something coming in 11.0)

Though... we would need to find out which classes are in need of a rework and attention. (Except Warlocks... I don't know if someone mains warlocks at Blizz, but they're the most coddled class in DF.)

[Well Done Steak]

That’s a bit of a stretch. Keep in mind that 10.2 doesn’t go directly into 11.0. There’s still over a year’s worth of story and patches between 10.2 and 11.0. There’s 10.2.5, 10.2.7, and who knows after that. All those story beats you’re talking about are likely tied up long before the next expansion.

Remember Nzoth in 8.3? Yeah, he didn’t make it to 9.0.



Azshara is directly tied to the old gods, the elements, and the Harbinger. If Nzoth is coming back in some form, so will she.

Nzoth ain't an underground og though... That's why I said why would she be involved in an underground exp.


There's no way that Eonar and Elune, freaking ELUNE, of all characters, are gonna be used up in some little epilogue quest to close DF and that's all she wrote.

Elune is the last bastion of mystery in old lore and she's clearly gonna be involved with the world soul since she's so close to so many cosmic entities in warcraft.

[Hitei]

Nzoth ain't an underground og though... That's why I said why would she be involved in an underground exp.


There's no way that Eonar and Elune, freaking ELUNE, of all characters, are gonna be used up in some little epilogue quest to close DF and that's all she wrote.

Elune is the last bastion of mystery in old lore and she's clearly gonna be involved with the world soul since she's so close to so many cosmic entities in warcraft.

Elune has been beaming astral magic directly into Azeroth via moonlight for 56,000 years.

[Woke it Up]

In the mocking youtube warcraft picture parody of IASIP it has a picture of the niffen hat that is going on the trading post this month. Which is the one missing when you look at the nested photo.

The trading post image background on YouTube this month is also the south seas and forbidden seas

[Eldryth]

Let's discuss this. I personally have been on the 10.3 bandwagon for awhile now.

Assuming Amirdrassil really is the final major raid- as it seems from the AotC mount and Augment Rune- then I like the idea that there could be a smaller 10.3 with a Fated season. Maybe with a smaller, ToV-scale tying up Dragonflight's story and bridging it to the next expansion.

[Merryck]

Assuming Amirdrassil really is the final major raid- as it seems from the AotC mount and Augment Rune- then I like the idea that there could be a smaller 10.3 with a Fated season. Maybe with a smaller, ToV-scale tying up Dragonflight's story and bridging it to the next expansion.

Yes, I wish they'd do more mini-raids.

[Marlamin]

Bringing this back up since you aren't the first person (@Marlamin ) to express this sentiment, and I wanted to illustrate the point:

Spoiler: 

These were made with zero in-engine work or sandboxing or whatever, using stable diffusion with a LoRA trained for about 5 minutes on 24 WoW screenshots I pulled from google. I generated maybe 30 images before I had a decent and interesting set to use.

Bottom two are complete untouched from their generated form (besides cropping). Top left has a lamp dropped in but is otherwise unmodified. Top right has five existing models photoshopped in, as well as some minor fixes to clear up stuff that was more obviously strange looking in the generated picture. All those existing assets were just screenshotted from model viewer, so they're 2D pictures layered on top.

Entire thing, start (from finishing SD install and looking up how to train the LoRA) to finish was about an hour and a half).

This is why I suggested that those original four pictures could be AI bashed with assets. It's very easy to just generate what will look like a screenshot with AI and then spruce it up a bit if you know what you are doing.

Those (especially the daytime one) definitely look far closer/better than I expected but environment wise, especially fog/distance/ground coverage wise, a lot still feels off about them, something I don't really feel for the other alleged screenshots.

Perhaps you can get that close with a lot more additional training of 4 separate fogged up environments from in-game (and some of the alleged screens do have that similarity to existing zones), but at that point it might just be faster to make the environment on place that should not be named instead as AI very much has the 80/20 rule going on where you can get to a decent result in 20% of the time but it'll take 80% to get to a good result.

Honestly, good job illustrating that though. I didn't think it'd be that easy to get to that point. I'm not sure I'm convinced one can get to the point of the alleged screenshots yet, but this definitely allows for a more informed opinion.

If they end up fake, my theory is still that they were made on the place that shall not be named and possibly edited afterwards. Would require the work of a or some talented individual(s), maybe even at a stretch ObviouslyZelryn herself as she shat on/analyzed her own fake leak before, which is pretty suspicious.

If they end up real and the zones do end up overly similar to existing zones with that many reused assets, that is what it is, but I have a gut feeling more/something else is going on if that is the case.

[Zers Editor]

About the info in the novel.

If bringing the primal dragons in line was among Tyr's objectives (as his report in Uldaman suggests), why did he agree to Alexstrasza's demand to only have unguarded/abandoned eggs taken?

Did they just decide to abandon that plot point? Or is it that Tyr's strategy was built upon something else?

Chronologically, the report was written before the events of the book. Tyrhold was already finished in chapter 1, in the report it is still being built.

And, again, I have a feeling that Fyrakk somehow uncovering the knowledge about the elemental infusion (which had reached Iridikron and brought forth the creation of the Incarnates; the book keeps it deliberately vague on how he found that knowledge) and Tyr conducting the experiments/observations on that process are connected.

Either the creation of the Incarnates is something that Tyr was counting on or the infusion info got leaked outside Tyr's facility (like, specimen escaping) and reached Fyrakk, so he wanted the Aspects to fix that screw-up without admitting his part in it.

[Auxis]

'aight. What's happened in the last 8 or so hours?

Anything noteworthy?

[Samin]

About the info in the novel.

If bringing the primal dragons in line was among Tyr's objectives (as his report in Uldaman suggests), why did he agree to Alexstrasza's demand to only have unguarded/abandoned eggs taken?

Did they just decide to abandon that plot point? Or is it that Tyr's strategy was built upon something else?

Chronologically, the report was written before the events of the book. Tyrhold was already finished in chapter 1, in the report it is still being built.

And, again, I have a feeling that Fyrakk somehow uncovering the knowledge about the elemental infusion (which had reached Iridikron and brought forth the creation of the Incarnates; the book keeps it deliberately vague on how he found that knowledge) and Tyr conducting the experiments/observations on that process are connected.

Either the creation of the Incarnates is something that Tyr was counting on or the infusion info got leaked outside Tyr's facility (like, specimen escaping) and reached Fyrakk, so he wanted the Aspects to fix that screw-up without admitting his part in it.

Maybe he grew closer to the dragons in that time and considered them friends by the time Alex asked - so he reconsidered his previous rigid view.

[huth]

Maybe he grew closer to the dragons in that time and considered them friends by the time Alex asked - so he reconsidered his previous rigid view.

Alternately, he just figured that over a sufficiently long timeline, it worked out the same. Keepers aren't exactly in a hurry to go somewhere.

[Xilurm]

So the binary code saga ended with Artificer class and Earthen race? Neutral race then?

[Azshara]

https:// streamable com / trxohr

This has been popping up on social media. What do we think?

[Fahrad Wagner]

I had a dream. Tyr was fighting Odyn in what seemed to be Titan ruins, and there were giant monolithic bananas. Tel'abim x Avaloren confirmed

[Calfredd]

https:// streamable com / trxohr

This has been popping up on social media. What do we think?

Think it was decided that was private server stuff.

[Samin]

https:// streamable com / trxohr

This has been popping up on social media. What do we think?

It's from a private server.

I had a deal. Tyr was fighting Odyn in what seemed to be Titan ruines, and there where giant monolithic bananas. Tel'abim x Avaloren confirmed

What kind of drugs did you get in that deal that made you come up with that?