The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dragon ANX]

I mean exactly? WoW forums weren’t like this 15+ years ago. So much polarity and negativity within the community. The game has soured for a lot of people. You say it’s the best ever, that means it is changing. You seeing all the negativity is the overall negative reaction to the changes.

I mean we got kinda Bad Xpac(BFA) and then we got hit wit SL and bro... SL was really bad it was the first xpac since i started playing in WOLTK that i skipped 1 major patch completely(9.2).
People got really sad/angry with game and general negativity started to go wild, i'm kind of "I'll always have faith" guy, so i hoped DF would be good and for me and many of my friends it has been really good, of course there are problems, but it was a step in a good direction.

It is really hard to build faith/trust in something, but it only need some grave mistakes to make it all crumble.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Because the books are the only way to actually get PoV scenes and internal monologue with these characters? It's a different, and better medium to tell stories.

We had some quest in the jade forest with POV’s and internal monologue when the SI7 argents tell us about there findings while looking for Anduin and there horde counterparts do the same.

Nothing is stopping blizzard from doing the same to give us a simple experience of what we get in the novels atleast for more actiony scenes from The books that would made better quest then just dialog heavy scenes.

[Wangming]

I think it's inevitable he will return. BfAs ending was hardly beloved, and it's not a complete asspull to make him return when there are so many avenues you could take on why precisely he survived. Some of which was even pointed out before the raid.

I mean people want him to return so it even prevents complaints of his return.

[Worldshaper]

But its not suspicious tho.

Because there’s really nothing suspicious about it. There doesn’t need to be a philosophical debate of time future and time past regarding this picture.

According to your preference.

If this was a video about Void-creatures/Roots/Lightning dwarves of whatever, and a section of the BlizzCon floor looked exactly like it, I'm pretty sure you'd be all over it (depending on what you're hoping for).

[Baraden]

I mean people want him to return so it even prevents complaints of his return.

I mean would anyone be surprised or annoyed if any old god returned? I think they make much more sense as an eternal threat that we can only really delay/ smack down when they appear

You wouldn't want to eliminate as a threat forever though; that would cost the narrative much

A C'thun, Yogg and N'zoth expansion seems inevitable

[Wangming]

I mean would anyone be surprised or annoyed if any old god returned? I think they make much more sense as an eternal threat that we can only really delay/ smack down when they appear

You wouldn't want to eliminate as a threat forever though; that would cost the narrative much

A C'thun, Yogg and N'zoth expansion seems inevitable

I mean dead and alive was always blurry for old gods. Y'shaarj was the deadest of the bunch yet his heart was still beating and still whispering.

[Cherry123]

Back to the past or elemental expansion, chance to get void expansion 0%

I remember an old interview where the developers talked about possible intervention in the past.

[Ersula]

I think it's inevitable he will return. BfAs ending was hardly beloved, and it's not a complete asspull to make him return when there are so many avenues you could take on why precisely he survived. Some of which was even pointed out before the raid.

Unless of course, as the devs have eluded to, that as a mysterious background force the Old Gods are great but as a tangible character who has to serve as an actual antagonist the individual old gods are terrible and only serve the function of a punching bag.

I don't think this is necessarily true, but it seems to be the philosophy the developers are following.

[Harbour]

I think Old Gods were overused in WoW, and Blizzard need to move up in the Shadow hierarchy. Void Lords, where are you at?

[Europah]

Back to the past or elemental expansion, chance to get void expansion 0%

I remember an old interview where the developers talked about possible intervention in the past.

Which is weird considering Iridikron is literally linked to Void right now

[Woggmer]

So, Avaloren is Australia

Y'know... I won't lie... I would kill for a Kangaroo mount if the pouch is used as an extra seat for passengers.

[Lady Atia]

We had some quest in the jade forest with POV’s and internal monologue when the SI7 argents tell us about there findings while looking for Anduin and there horde counterparts do the same.

Nothing is stopping blizzard from doing the same to give us a simple experience of what we get in the novels atleast for more actiony scenes from The books that would made better quest then just dialog heavy scenes.

I agree that they should also try to give us that stuff ingame, because the game needs to stand alone. That said, it's baffling when they delay something that could have improved the whole expansion's storytelling by 1000%.

[matijwow]

I mean would anyone be surprised or annoyed if any old god returned? I think they make much more sense as an eternal threat that we can only really delay/ smack down when they appear

You wouldn't want to eliminate as a threat forever though; that would cost the narrative much

A C'thun, Yogg and N'zoth expansion seems inevitable

Going back through BfA, it's clear they tried to that the Old God expansion. However, the also made it the Faction War expansion AND Azshara expansion at the same time, so it was all so jammed together that there was no narrative breathing room.

If N'Zoth died from the laser at the end of an expansion following his escape, it would not have felt as underwhelming as it did in the patch directly after his escape. (I'm also disappointed that the "God of the Deep" swims into the ocean and the ocean is never used again.)

It also felt bad to play mechanically, which will ruin any expansion.

[Lady Atia]

Going back through BfA, it's clear they tried to that the Old God expansion. However, the also made it the Faction War expansion AND Azshara expansion at the same time, so it was all so jammed together that there was no narrative breathing room.

If N'Zoth died from the laser at the end of an expansion following his escape, it would not have felt as underwhelming as it did in the patch directly after his escape. (I'm also disappointed that the "God of the Deep" swims into the ocean and the ocean is never used again.)

It also felt bad to play mechanically, which will ruin any expansion.

To be fair, both the faction war and Azshara would have fit with an old gods expansion quite easily - if they had connected N'Zoth to the faction war, instead of the Jailer. Basically what they did both in Cataclysm and MoP ...

[ro9ue]

[Sondrelk]

Unless of course, as the devs have eluded to, that as a mysterious background force the Old Gods are great but as a tangible character who has to serve as an actual antagonist the individual old gods are terrible and only serve the function of a punching bag.

I don't think this is necessarily true, but it seems to be the philosophy the developers are following.

You say that, but outside N'zoth all the Old Gods have been phenomenal villains. Even C'thun in Vanilla was a strong final boss in his raid, and Yogg-saron is one of WoWs most iconic bosses. Y'sharrj might have been more subdued, but even then the way he was slowly built up over MoP was fantastic.

Had BfA had the balls to go all out on the underwater stuff, and really built up N'zoth as a villain that way I think it would have worked much better.

[Ebonn]

Y'know... I won't lie... I would kill for a Kangaroo mount if the pouch is used as an extra seat for passengers.

I would drop ALL my gold for it. Or maybe a grummel in the pouch who’s a banker lol

[Baraden]

Going back through BfA, it's clear they tried to that the Old God expansion. However, the also made it the Faction War expansion AND Azshara expansion at the same time, so it was all so jammed together that there was no narrative breathing room.

If N'Zoth died from the laser at the end of an expansion following his escape, it would not have felt as underwhelming as it did in the patch directly after his escape. (I'm also disappointed that the "God of the Deep" swims into the ocean and the ocean is never used again.)

It also felt bad to play mechanically, which will ruin any expansion.

The potential for a black empire expansion is insane; they you said - the dipped their toes in for BFA - they need to fully go for it

Have it so the Old Gods survive and are recuperating under the earth of Azeroth

Yogg's zone could be an massive ulduar type installation the size of a whole zone, underneath Northrend
C'thun's zone could be a modern silithus/AQ zone, would also let us revisit silithids, underneath Kalimdor
N'zoth could get an aquatic underwater zone, underneath the Maelstrom

Last boss could be Y'shaarj at the deepest part of Azeroth, underneat Pandaria

[Kiria]

Whats the context behind this response?

[Harbour]

BFA felt bloated because of three themes that make sense together but too major each on their own to not feel cut here and there in a single expansion.
Legion in this sense was perfect - it had one major theme (Legion) and few smaller ones (Suramar+Emerald Nightmare+Odyn and Co, from which only Emerald Dream could have potentially take over the whole expansion (in retrospective i feel it would be way too much)).