The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We literally beat Aggramar into submission without anyones help.

Yes Aggramar who was a shadow of his former self without a body who’s soul flew across the universe to give away power at the time of his death before being scooped back up and tortured into submission against his will.

[bruxx]

He actually mentioned Dragonsworn class planned for Druids but then relegated to its own class.

If we are to believe blizzard's interview, Dracthyr came first and Evokers came later conceptually.

[Triceron]

If we are to believe blizzard's interview, Dracthyr came first and Evokers came later conceptually.

Any source for this? Just curious and would like to see.

[Ersula]

We already had something bigger then the titans with the void lords and presumed light lords, size ain’t the issue.

The issue is discarding or retconning years of established lore and build up based around the titans for a shit idea that came out of no where and is now suppose to be above them and every other powe we have been interacting with since WC2.

You're really just taking issue with the chicken or egg thought experiment: Everything has a creator. There is always something higher up, and fantasy & science fiction always has to address that eventually.

[Dragon ANX]

There's easily a chance Dracthyr/Evoker were not in the pipeline/confirmed at that moment in time. Dragonflight was only in its conceptual stage at that point. As soon as they committed to it, they probably then got to the Dracthyr. Tinker may have been scrapped/postponed for a number of reasons. There's story/info here that are just too close to the truth for it to be an outsider's lucky guess.

I kinda agree, but a huge number of things have changed from then to now or have happened that altered the scene:

COVID.
A sexual scandal that led to many high-profile people being fired or demoted.
The Shadowlands fiasco.
The first major WoW Exodus. It was so massive that Square Enix removed FF14 from stores because they didn't have enough servers to handle the intense influx of WoW refugees.
Many prominent WoW content creators either quit WoW or turned highly negative (remember, they create significant waves).
Metzen has been back for more than a year.
The Microsoft Deal.
The Proletariat Deal.
And so on.
The last four years since 2019 have been incredibly intense

[Zankai27]

We already had something bigger then the titans with the void lords and presumed light lords, size ain’t the issue.

The issue is discarding or retconning years of established lore and build up based around the titans for a shit idea that came out of no where and is now suppose to be above them and every other powe we have been interacting with since WC2.

Sure, if you just really think the Titans need to be the end-all-be-all.

The point was to show that, upon going to a different reality in the same universe, we learn a few more things about it we wouldn't have learned before. Like, we weren't supposed to be behind that curtain, of course there'd be secrets there. The Titans probably never saw the Shadowlands either. Apart from, obviously, Argus.

The story you want works if you aren't trying to create a bigger narrative. Sorry man, that's just how it is.

Besides that, what exactly got "retconned out of oblivion" by the First Ones? We're literally doing more with the Titans right now, and it has nothing to do with the First Ones. Not because "they're deleting that lore" or anything but because it literally is irrelevant to the Titan's current developments. And in general. Like, I don't understand the ""anger"" here.

Like, they're basically a narrative device for "looking behind the curtain" and "it's a lot bigger out there than you think" and that's probably all they'll be unless we cover a different Zereth in a Void expansion. What's there to be pissed about? I don't know how to explain this further.

[Raetary]

We literally beat Aggramar into submission without anyones help.

Aggramar was a shadow of his former self, he was the first to die (literally got cleaved in half) and the first to break after Sargeras captured his soul and tormented him into submission.

[Vakir]

The binary stuff, all together, seems too good to be true.

But it would certainly get WoW back on track.

[kavikor]

Aggramar was a shadow of his former self, he was the first to die (literally got cleaved in half) and the first to break after Sargeras captured his soul and tormented him into submission.

We also had the most powerful artifacts mortals had ever wielded to defeat him.

[Well Done Steak]

So if it is karesh then I feel like ethereal are a given. I hope they're neutral but would probably be alliance because of velves.

In that case, hope horde gets ogres.

[Jaggler]

We already had something bigger then the titans with the void lords and presumed light lords, size ain’t the issue.

The issue is discarding or retconning years of established lore and build up based around the titans for a shit idea that came out of no where and is now suppose to be above them and every other powe we have been interacting with since WC2.

What got retconned by the First Ones existing?

[Neoplanet]

The binary stuff, all together, seems too good to be true.

But it would certainly get WoW back on track.

For me , if the avaloren pictures is a well done fake , its the shadows of azeroth or the binary

The idea of revamp + khaz algar as a Max level zone seens possible

[Zankai27]

See what I wanna know is how Ka'resh fits into Khaz Algar/Avaloren and Earthen as a race?

[lostsoup]

Binary leak doesn't actually have K'aresh, it was a lead towards removing transmog restrictions.

It'd be a solid expansion all things considered.

[The Stormbringer]

You're really just taking issue with the chicken or egg thought experiment: Everything has a creator. There is always something higher up, and fantasy & science fiction always has to address that eventually.

Except... not really? In the previous lore, before the First Ones came around, the universe came about from Light and Void clashing.

This may be inaccurate, but if I recall, at first there was nothing. Then Light came into being. Light's existence created shadows for the first time, which coalesced into Void. Light and Shadow smashed into each other and the resultant explosion created The Great Dark Beyond, AKA the physical universe, alongside Arcane magic and the Twisting Nether which was a sort of twisted (heh) mirror reality, which came with Chaos magic.

You don't need a creator, sometimes thing can just happen.

[micwini]

See what I wanna know is how Ka'resh fits into Khaz Algar/Avaloren and Earthen as a race?

I would say, if it is real (probably not) as patch content.

[Zankai27]

Binary leak doesn't actually have K'aresh, it was a lead towards removing transmog restrictions.

It'd be a solid expansion all things considered.

Ah, right on, that's my confusion then. Thanks

[Xennethia]

The binary stuff, all together, seems too good to be true.

But it would certainly get WoW back on track.

What's the binary stuff?

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You're really just taking issue with the chicken or egg thought experiment: Everything has a creator. There is always something higher up, and fantasy & science fiction always has to address that eventually.

We already had a source for every thing, we didn’t need the hacks trying to one up the those who came before them by pulling the first ones out of no where with how build up.

[lostsoup]

What's the binary stuff?

Leak with riddles hidden in binary. Stormforged Earthen race, Artificer class, transmog restrictions removed, a world revamp, void stuff is involved, and Path of the Titans as a new system.