The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[JMitchy96]

My list of reasons there would be a 10.3 is longer than my list for reasons they wouldn't. I'd put the fact that the stat buff is double the usual price...suggesting its meant to last more than one tier.

The WoW return to office thing was in July 2022, before Dragonflight even came out. And everything on the September 2023 layoffs says they were only applied to the Hearthstone & Diablo teams.

Google’s telling me the RTO mandate was early this year, unless we’re talking about different things? Either way, the same thing happening in ‘22 will still have had a decent impact on DF’s development.

[Leowyld]

Frankly, all I'm reading is that, basically you hate 95% of what Leak Season is, which makes me wonder why the fuck you would 'torture' yourself to begin with. The part where people try to fool us is kind of tradition and part of the whole thing. We don't know shit until it's released, so it wouldn't make sense for most of us to be here for facts. We're here for the offchance that something IS a fact. For some at this point it's probably more a social experience than anything. Getting upset at the fakes is, at best, just going to make the really toxic trolls go off and double down on the things you hate.

I said *I* would not enjoy the process of putting a fake leak out there, because I had just been accused of doing just that. I know almost all leaks will turn out to be fake. I never complained about that in and of itself before, you can check. But we don't usually have so many attempts by what is very likely the same individual or individuals creating a deluge of new accounts within a couple days. It is unusual and that is what frustrated me. Not the leaks being fake on their own.

[Hitei]

I feel like people saying this is "clearly AI" aren't all that familiar with the current capabilities of AI image generators. I admit that there are parts that look off, but this is anything but "clearly AI". It's possible they've trained a custom model capable of mimicking WoW screenshots accurately, sure, but I personally think there's some in-engine work involved here.

Bringing this back up since you aren't the first person (@Marlamin ) to express this sentiment, and I wanted to illustrate the point:

Spoiler: 

These were made with zero in-engine work or sandboxing or whatever, using stable diffusion with a LoRA trained for about 5 minutes on 24 WoW screenshots I pulled from google. I generated maybe 30 images before I had a decent and interesting set to use.

Bottom two are complete untouched from their generated form (besides cropping). Top left has a lamp dropped in but is otherwise unmodified. Top right has five existing models photoshopped in, as well as some minor fixes to clear up stuff that was more obviously strange looking in the generated picture. All those existing assets were just screenshotted from model viewer, so they're 2D pictures layered on top.

Entire thing, start (from finishing SD install and looking up how to train the LoRA) to finish was about an hour and a half).

This is why I suggested that those original four pictures could be AI bashed with assets. It's very easy to just generate what will look like a screenshot with AI and then spruce it up a bit if you know what you are doing.

[Ferlion]

I said *I* would not enjoy the process of putting a fake leak out there. I know almost all leaks will turn out to be fake. I never complained about that in and of itself before. But we don't usually have so many attempts by what is very likely the same individual or individuals creating a deluge of new accounts within a couple days. It is unusual and that is what frustrated me. Not the leaks being fake on their own.

The single post flood is super annoying yes.

It's so much at this point that it actually detracts from the fun of fake leaks.

[Leowyld]

The single post flood is super annoying yes.

It's so much at this point that it actually detracts from the fun of fake leaks.

And I *was* having fun with the fake leaks before this. But I'm not having fun now, that's for sure.

[Luck4]

Quit the thread for 30 days...

...plays a shit ton of Classic Hardcore and quits his CE guild in Retail...

...watch some ppl losing their sh*t on Youtube regarding "four leaked images"...

...comes back to the thread to find out if it's real or not...

...see the Blizzard guy saying it's true and failing to hype everyone...

...and also see everyone trying to invalidate said leak...

I can't wait to see Twitch chat on the 3rd of November.

Spoiler: 

What a ride! If the "four leaked images" end up being fake, this would be the best leak season ever.

[Teriz]

IF it is underground either it has to be a hallow earth situation, or only partially underground.

Otherwise, no way we're getting 5 flavors of deepholm with a side of zaralek

It wouldn't be that regardless.

Undermine: (Underground city)



Azjol nerub (Ancient spider kingdom)




Khaz Algar (Earthen City)




Catacombs





And you still have Titan complex and Old God areas.

[bruxx]

Bringing this back up since you aren't the first person (@Marlamin ) to express this sentiment, and I wanted to illustrate the point:

Spoiler: 

These were made with zero in-engine work or sandboxing or whatever, using stable diffusion with a LoRA trained for about 5 minutes on 24 WoW screenshots I pulled from google. I generated maybe 30 images before I had a decent and interesting set to use.

Bottom two are complete untouched from their generated form (besides cropping). Top left has a lamp dropped in but is otherwise unmodified. Top right has five existing models photoshopped in, as well as some minor fixes to clear up stuff that was more obviously strange looking in the generated picture. All those existing assets were just screenshotted from model viewer, so they're 2D pictures layered on top.

Entire thing, start (from finishing SD install and looking up how to train the LoRA) to finish was about an hour and a half).

This is why I suggested that those original four pictures could be AI bashed with assets. It's very easy to just generate what will look like a screenshot with AI and then spruce it up a bit if you know what you are doing.

Thank you, that's really neat and I appreciate you taking the time to do it.
I assume you mixed in a random assortment of pictures?

It'd be interesting to see the outcome if you just fed it environmental pics belonging to a single expansion, though I'm certainly not sugesting that you spend your time on that.

[matijwow]

The single post flood is super annoying yes.

It's so much at this point that it actually detracts from the fun of fake leaks.

There once was a guy who played Horde,
But whenever he played, he was bored.
So he started a "leak"
And in less than a week
All the Youtube reactors were floored.

[Nuami]

I can't wait to see Twitch chat on the 3rd of November.

I always have to turn off Twitch and Youtube chat when I watch anything game reveal related, Youtube is the worst; dead game, L game, 1998 game.

[Dragon ANX]

It wouldn't be that regardless.

Undermine: (Underground city)

This look more like Zaun from Runeterra Universe(Legue of Legends and Arcane Universe)
https://universe.leagueoflegends.com/en_us/region/zaun/

[Hitei]

Thank you, that's really neat and I appreciate you taking the time to do it.
I assume you mixed in a random assortment of pictures?

It'd be interesting to see the outcome if you just fed it environmental pics belonging to a single expansion, though I'm certainly not sugesting that you spend your time on that.

Here's the images that were in the data set.

[Paula Deen]

Bringing this back up since you aren't the first person (@Marlamin ) to express this sentiment, and I wanted to illustrate the point:

Spoiler: 

These were made with zero in-engine work or sandboxing or whatever, using stable diffusion with a LoRA trained for about 5 minutes on 24 WoW screenshots I pulled from google. I generated maybe 30 images before I had a decent and interesting set to use.

Bottom two are complete untouched from their generated form (besides cropping). Top left has a lamp dropped in but is otherwise unmodified. Top right has five existing models photoshopped in, as well as some minor fixes to clear up stuff that was more obviously strange looking in the generated picture. All those existing assets were just screenshotted from model viewer, so they're 2D pictures layered on top.

Entire thing, start (from finishing SD install and looking up how to train the LoRA) to finish was about an hour and a half).

This is why I suggested that those original four pictures could be AI bashed with assets. It's very easy to just generate what will look like a screenshot with AI and then spruce it up a bit if you know what you are doing.

The difference between these images and the big OGs is that none of them are close up, all of these are extremely dark, which WoW is notoriously bad at, and other than the Dragon in the one daylight image, no models are shown and the dragon looks...off.

Now I know you only worked on this for a bit, but I highly doubt an ai model could convincingly make that many close up models shots with other real objects and have it be AI.

[kavikor]

The difference between these images and the big OGs is that none of them are close up, all of these are extremely dark, which WoW is notoriously bad at, and other than the Dragon in the one daylight image, no models are shown and the dragon looks...off.

Now I know you only worked on this for a bit, but I highly doubt an ai model could convincingly make that many close up models shots with other real objects and have it be AI.

i still have not personally seen anything that has touched the OG 4 screenshots in terms of believability or quality

[Paula Deen]

i still have not personally seen anything that has touched the OG 4 screenshots in terms of believability or quality

I have repeated myself over and over in this thread and the thread with the original images.

If they are fake the person(s) who made them are genius. But I doubt they are fake.

[Luck4]

I always have to turn off Twitch and Youtube chat when I watch anything game reveal related, Youtube is the worst; dead game, L game, 1998 game.

This time around will be nice because both Retail and Classic will feature announcements, and comparing the reactions of these two will be interesting.

This year Blizzcon is going to be really big one way or another.

[Ferlion]

There once was a guy who played Horde,
But whenever he played, he was bored.
So he started a "leak"
And in less than a week
All the Youtube reactors were floored.

Yes. Fake leaks like that.

[kavikor]

I have repeated myself over and over in this thread and the thread with the original images.

If they are fake the person(s) who made them are genius. But I doubt they are fake.

I would love to see what stable diffusion trained on some images of WoW creature models could put out, and if they could put it out with the consistency of that bearded ogre creature, or of that rock triceratops

[Nyel]

Let's discuss this. I personally have been on the 10.3 bandwagon for awhile now.

If they can’t confirm it, it’s not going to happen. We had the exact same thing going on with 9.2.

[Luck4]

10.3 is as likely as the World Revamp in 11.0