The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Syegfryed]

Blizzard are not making another faction war expansion after the massive outrage for the Burning of Teldrassil..

We don't need another "faction war expansion"

but we do need an expansion that does have elements of faction war, like wtlk and cataclysm

[Makorus]

with is 100% bullshit since alliance and horde were at war the moment wow started, it just didn't happed in open conflict.

Its also funny tht people argued that the third war ended in MOP, not in wc3, with Garrosh, but also there was just a cease fire

Third War was not Alliance vs Horde ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

There was no official war until BfA.

[Moth Preacher]

While anticipating a proper leak - somehow I forgot that it's November 1st already, and in 2 days we'll have a proper thing.

I fear no man...but that thing... it scares me

[Floot]

Third War was not Alliance vs Horde ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

There was no official war until BfA.

Wasn't there a Death Knight talent that said "Veteran of the 4th War" or something?

[Harbour]

Yeah, i think BFA backlash sent Blizzard clear signal that they dont want Faction War.
And even though i think audience werent against Faction War, but against BADLY executed Faction War, Blizzard will never admit they fucked up with no equal answer to Theldrassil's burning.
So they wont do Faction War, at least wont make it the main focus. At best there will be some other major theme and Horde/Alliance will compete in getting at main villain's throat.

[Shadowferal]

Blizzard are not making another faction war expansion after the massive outrage for the Burning of Teldrassil.

The outrage has everything to do with the utter lack of any thought of what should have reasonably followed through, which should have resulted in the very least an attempt at complete obliteration of forsaken, and how the undead would survive such an attempt.
Blizz has shown incredible stupidity in this regard, so much so that I find it stunning.

[Schwert]

Third War was not Alliance vs Horde ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

There was no official war until BfA.

There was no official war, but there was plenty of conflict, and MoP happened, which... if that wasn't a war, I don't know what is.

Faction tensions and conflicts make this IP and so many of it's story beats what they are. Writing it out just dilutes the game into another generic fantasy game.
Also, BFA sold amazingly well and was extremely hyped. The end game systems being garbage is what killed it, not Warcraft being Warcraft.

Also, nobody tell people what you did in WC3 after you beat the campaign.

The outrage has everything to do with the utter lack of any thought of what should have reasonably followed through, which should have resulted in the very least an attempt at complete obliteration of forsaken, and how the undead would survive such an attempt.
Blizz has shown incredible stupidity in this regard, so much so that I find it stunning.

This would have been so much better.
Actually exploring the consequences of war is one of the things that makes these stories so appealing, and Warcraft actually has with the caveat that fighting is in our nature; it never ends. Just as it doesn't in reality. There's just better IPs for the hand holding, and this one isn't it.

I seriously want to go back to smaller scale war stories and conflicts. We're never getting a proper ending to the Teldrassil crap, we're too deep in and the consequences are too severe for an MMORPG, but like, Gilneas is right there. Horde knows they aren't keeping it, but hell, it'll be fun to fight over it anyways.

[Syegfryed]

Third War was not Alliance vs Horde ???????????????????????????????????????????????????

It was everyone against everyone until they stop to fight the burning legion, they still fought each other right after it.

There was no official war until BfA.

Sure, there was no war happening in cataclysm and mop, wink wink.

[Zankai27]

Faction War fucking sucks, no thanks. Never again.

It's a do-nothing conflict that only pumps up the worst kind of player.

[Makorus]

Wasn't there a Death Knight talent that said "Veteran of the 4th War" or something?

Yeah, thats for Allied Races that was added after BfA ended.

Old races have Veteran of Third War.

[Floot]

Yeah, thats for Allied Races that was added after BfA ended.

Old races have Veteran of Third War.

Ah, so there is canonical confirmation that BfA was the 4th war then.

Glad that is cleared out.

[blaatschaap]

This thread is in dire need of some leak crumbs. They're bickering about Warcraft III now...

[Harbour]

I personally would prefer no Faction War in the future. You can do plenty of WARcraft with both factions facing common foes, which are plenty (Old Gods, Void, Light, Jay Lore Bullshit etc).

[Syegfryed]

Yeah, i think BFA backlash sent Blizzard clear signal that they dont want Faction War..

The problem is, the signal was: "we don't want dogshit written expansions that teach us we need peace and war is bad", but they understood as "players don't want faction war anymore"

Same way how the signal for shadowlands was also misunderstood

[Schwert]

Faction War fucking sucks, no thanks. Never again.

It's a do-nothing conflict that only pumps up the worst kind of player.

The ones who enjoy the IP for what it is, and like hanging out with the friend they ganked at Blizzcon?

Seriously.
Can't wait to go out for drinks with the wPVP rivals in a couple days.

The worst kind of players are the ones who sit there screaming for something to change into something it's not. Faction stuff shouldn't go anywhere. It just rotates back in on and off.

[vintage79]

Faction War fucking sucks, no thanks. Never again.

It's a do-nothing conflict that only pumps up the worst kind of player.

warcraft was (at best days) all about faction war) not some uwu bullshit so no thank u

[Shadowferal]

Wasn't there a Death Knight talent that said "Veteran of the 4th War" or something?

Veteran of the Fourth War

Level 10 death knight ability
Passive

Spell deathknight bloodpresence. Blood:

Stamina increased by 60%.

Spell deathknight
frostpresence.png Frost, Spell deathknight
unholypresence.png Unholy: Stamina increased by 10%.

[Harbour]

The problem is, the signal was: "we don't want dogshit written expansions that teach us we need peace and war is bad", but they understood as "players don't want faction war anymore"

Thats what i meant. Faction War is okay, but only ifs well written and portrayed. Which wasnt BFA case at all.

[Shadowferal]

Faction War fucking sucks, no thanks. Never again. It's a do-nothing conflict that only pumps up the worst kind of player.

And what you have now is so much better.../s

[NikolaiShade]

Thats what i meant. Faction War is okay, but only ifs well written and portrayed. Which wasnt BFA case at all.

Can we agree there can't be a winner in a faction war? So what's the meaning of this narrative? give reasons to the factions to hate and kill each other?