The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Chickat]

I hope we get 9 dungeons as a subtle “Yeah, we know” from the devs.

6 zones, 9 dungeons, 2 raids. See guys we listened.

[Ferlion]

The funny thing is, as we move further from Shadowlands to Dragonflight, to whatevers next, we've very slowly been moving into a different artstyle (something that started a few expansions ago, like WoD), so the shift in artsyle and "It doesn't look WoW" from color and design (placements always been the same) is something that fits.

[allifeur]

Because its the same goofy guy on another alt account.

I don't know, the other leak had the courtesy of not posting something totally blurry, and looked way more Wow-styled than the other screenshots, despite people saying it's AI. Moreover his reddit acounts was 4 years old and allowed to know he lives in California, had a long interest for WoW and was quite immature. Him getting hired and leaking a picture of the expansion isn't the most unlikely scenario.

[matijwow]

I'm gonna be so god damn mad when the new expansion is not "World Warcraft".

World Work Raft. Azeroth sinks into the ocean. It's now a Rust-type survival game where you build a raft. Eventually you can build floating raft cities.

[Explicit Teemo Nudes]

Which streaming service will you guys choose to watch Blizzcon? Which one is the best?

[Chickat]

If the Avaloren leak is true then I'm skipping next expansion. Can't be fucking bothered with more shitty god killing.

WoW devs need to take a leaf out of FF14's book and pull a Dawntrail where we just go on our own chill adventure. No world ending scenarios, just an isolated story with a big bad. Fyrakk isn't even close to that.

You literally described Dragonflight in perfect detail.

[Chickat]

I'm gonna be so god damn mad when the new expansion is not "World Warcraft".

I'm personally rooting for Warcraft World myself.

[Woke it Up]

One interesting thing to note is, at least in game, they had the Primal Incarnates follow the elemental traits from Chronicle 1.

Edit: I wouldn't say Iridikron is stable

Weird coincidence, but that color card was on the fake leak board; I was wondering if it matched the cover of the new book but

[Mrpms]

This is true, however then you have the opposite end of the spectrum once in a blue moon: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...or-Leak-Inside

I've heard about the WoD leak but never seen it before, so this is just kind of damn

I would not have trusted that leak when it was released, though it is very much straight to the point for some of the things. Very much A to B to C to D in going through it.

[Paula Deen]

Wow. I didn't know about this. That's amazing. So we have more evidence that Shattrath was a planned raid. I didn't know about 5.5 and the Garrosh scenarios. That would have been nice to have.

Warlords of Draenor is the only expansion I want them to revist but they should not ever do that due to its reception.

So much happened during Alpha that you could check out for yourself. So much was visibly changed. I am sure there is exploration videos on Youtube but it is one of the few Clients I did naughty stuff with and I still regret it to this day because of how much potential early WoD had and how much of it was scrapped due to whatever the fuck happened behind the scenes.

Honestly the best instance of something still in the game, in the Alliance Garrison there is a gravestone for 'Ray D Tear'. It was poking fun at the crowd around here who were saying the Garrison's were going to cost us a raid tier....jokes on whatever chucklefuck programed that one in because SURPRISE. We did. This is still in the game at the Alliance Garrison Graveyard. You can check yourself.

But many other things, Old Capitals, Old Ashran, Faralon Developer Area, Shattrath Raid, Old Gorgrond ( @Teriz would have loved it, it was a rail and industry hub with rail lines that were clearly meant to be going all over the continent but it was obviously scrapped). I could keep going.

I am still mad about WoD.

[Myrrh]

I've heard about the WoD leak but never seen it before, so this is just kind of damn

I would not have trusted that leak when it was released, though it is very much straight to the point for some of the things. Very much A to B to C to D in going through it.

Oh 100% lol, when I saw it on SoL I was right there with everyone else thinking it was way too farfetched to be true. It's a good reminder that no matter the format of a true leak, we will probably never believe it. And that's okay, because dear lord did my jaw drop when it was confirmed (I believe when they went on to post a dev interview with the logo in the background, those were the days!)

[Chickat]

This is true, however then you have the opposite end of the spectrum once in a blue moon: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...or-Leak-Inside

Yeah, you can never dismiss anything. And sometimes the leaks that sound the most bat shit crazy turn out to be the real ones.

[Ferlion]

I've heard about the WoD leak but never seen it before, so this is just kind of damn

I would not have trusted that leak when it was released, though it is very much straight to the point for some of the things. Very much A to B to C to D in going through it.

It came from a QA employee, who gave it to someone else, who gave it to me, who I told someone in confidence, and then that person leaked it.
Funny enough, we were creating a guild over in ESO, had people interested, etc, but I have trouble playing the game at all now, even though I like it. It really kind of left a bad taste in my mouth.

This is a leak I can trace the providence of pretty directly, because I'm part of it. It was a 1 in a 100 situation that ended horribly and I feel terrible about. We should never get leaks like that.

[matijwow]

Warlords of Draenor is the only expansion I want them to revist but they should not ever do that due to its reception.

So much happened during Alpha that you could check out for yourself. So much was visibly changed. I am sure there is exploration videos on Youtube but it is one of the few Clients I did naughty stuff with and I still regret it to this day because of how much potential early WoD had and how much of it was scrapped due to whatever the fuck happened behind the scenes.

Honestly the best instance of something still in the game, in the Alliance Garrison there is a gravestone for 'Ray D Tear'. It was poking fun at the crowd around here who were saying the Garrison's were going to cost us a raid tier....jokes on whatever chucklefuck programed that one in because SURPRISE. We did. This is still in the game at the Alliance Garrison Graveyard. You can check yourself.

But many other things, Old Capitals, Old Ashran, Faralon Developer Area, Shattrath Raid, Old Gorgrond ( @Teriz would have loved it, it was a rail and industry hub with rail lines that were clearly meant to be going all over the continent but it was obviously scrapped). I could keep going.

I am still mad about WoD.

I really really want a WoW Diary for the WoD through Shadowlands expansions to hear about what really happened. I never hear other people mention that around WoD's release, they said the reason for the cuts was they were changing to a yearly expansion model, then later said they changed their mind.

[Merryck]

Don't be disingenuous. You know perfectly well both MMO's are popular. Grow up. I love WoW and 14 and I think each game can learn from each other. There's lots of modernised systems I want from WoW in 14 and lots of QoL/comforts I want in 14 from WoW.

I'd love a WoW expansion where we just go chill with no god killing and a more isolated conflict. Dawntrail is that for FF14. The trip to the New World to go get involved in an inner faction conflict that has zero impact on the rest of the world.

Don't be that guy who thinks its cool to not pretend what something popular is to be different. It just comes off as ignorant. Nor is believing neither game can learn and grow from each other. WoW learnt from Everquest, FF14 attributes it's success to WoW and so on.

Shadowlands was the reason FF14 was popular. So was Asmongold and Bellular, but they no longer play it nor talk about it anymore. It's not trendy anymore.

[Paula Deen]

I really really want a WoW Diary for the WoD through Shadowlands expansions to hear about what really happened. I never hear other people mention that around WoD's release, they said the reason for the cuts was they were changing to a yearly expansion model, then later said they changed their mind.

This is all off topic and this is a niche super special interest of mine so I will be brief, but they said it was due to switching to a yearly expansion model and having to train the staff. I think it was bullshit.

I think they originally intended it to release alongside the movie, as it was originally going to come out around the time of the movie....but then the movie was delayed by a year and some months and that is when it all went down hill. BUT THATS JUST A THEORY

[Woggmer]

We saw a corrupted version of him in the Dawn of the Infinite where he and some constructs were apparently convinced by the infinites to turn against the Titans.

Yeah, but we don't know the process of what turns a Bronze Dragon into an Infinite Dragon or how that same power can influence a Keeper like Tyr. Even the Dawn of the Infinites dungeon hides how the process works.

It's not so much that Tyr is going to betray the Titans, but rather he betrays Odyn. Odyn was designed to maintain control and order on Azeroth because of Aman'thul's design. Tyr was blessed and created through Aggramar's design, and was probably intended to act as a fail safe against Odyn.

That's my outlook on it.

[Mecheon]

Shadowlands was the reason FF14 was popular. So was Asmongold and Bellular, but they no longer play it nor talk about it anymore. It's not trendy anymore.

Still plenty popular and its always been popular enough. Remember the whole "No flying in WoD while Heavensward adds flying to the game" drama that happened back when. Just not the absolute behemoth it was at the time.

Just not really much to talk about with it as its in a pre-expansion patch, plus current patches aren't the most exciting (Unless you like FF4)

If we want actually unpopular, I'd say New World hits that, given that game's hot mess of a development

[Teriz]

It's time to accept that Avaloren is the real deal, regardless of what "leaks" or who "leaks" it.

That would be quite a feat, considering that they haven’t built up Avaloren at all in this entire expansion outside of the very blurb that introduced the concept.

Even Odyn hasn’t done much of anything in this expansion.

An expansion based on that nothingburger would be quite an arsepull.

[Myrrh]

Warlords of Draenor is the only expansion I want them to revist but they should not ever do that due to its reception.

So much happened during Alpha that you could check out for yourself. So much was visibly changed. I am sure there is exploration videos on Youtube but it is one of the few Clients I did naughty stuff with and I still regret it to this day because of how much potential early WoD had and how much of it was scrapped due to whatever the fuck happened behind the scenes.

Honestly the best instance of something still in the game, in the Alliance Garrison there is a gravestone for 'Ray D Tear'. It was poking fun at the crowd around here who were saying the Garrison's were going to cost us a raid tier....jokes on whatever chucklefuck programed that one in because SURPRISE. We did. This is still in the game at the Alliance Garrison Graveyard. You can check yourself.

But many other things, Old Capitals, Old Ashran, Faralon Developer Area, Shattrath Raid, Old Gorgrond ( @Teriz would have loved it, it was a rail and industry hub with rail lines that were clearly meant to be going all over the continent but it was obviously scrapped). I could keep going.

I am still mad about WoD.

I will always be big mad about WoD, because you can absolutely see what could have been and it is heartbreaking. It seemed to start with the 'orc fatigue' criticisms, but redesigning an entire zone in a beta (or even alpha, can't remember) was absurdly late and led to a soulless Gorgrond when it was previously very very cool. It was one of those rare cases where Blizzard should have stuck to their original plans and ignored the playerbase feedback, but alas. Then they reneged on garrisons for every zone despite getting most of the way through developing them... then whatever the fuck 6.1 was.

Whoever was making decisions on that expansion was on another planet, and it's tragic because their teams were on to something special.

Shadowlands was the reason FF14 was popular. So was Asmongold and Bellular, but they no longer play it nor talk about it anymore. It's not trendy anymore.

This just shows your exposure to the game was through the WoW hate circlejerk. Believe me, the game is going strong outside of those cliques.