The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[justwatching]

I've seen some damn convincing stuff made on private servers, so it wouldn't surprise me if the 4 screenshots are faked.

Like the housing system and carpentry skill has great UI on that one private server.

True but those things are usually made as actual features for those servers....also the fact that most of them are Legion and the screenshots have vertical fog(so DF or newer client was used).

[Paula Deen]

Not really. Imo, it makes more sense than our KJ chatting with an AU Archimonde or AU KJ to get an AU Gul'dan and kickstart a Legion invasion on Azeroth. Now, whether or not that Legion would be AU or our Legion would be unknown...

Hell, if the 1 Legion thing got retconned, then that would also imply that either our KJ was working with an AU Archimonde at the time to get HIS (our KJs) Legion onto Azeroth...that or an AU KJ was doing this all along, and we basically defeated an AU Burning Legion that was invading our physical universe.

Do you see just how easy the 1 Legion thing is in comparison?

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Cause now, you can say that KJ tried the Orc thing again, failed, then Archimonde took up the pieces only to die VIA his arrogance. Then, Archimonde sent AU Gul'dan to our Azeroth where KJ would get him to Kickstart the Legion invasion on Azeroth.

No AU Legion, no our Legion and AU Legion team up BS, no potential clashing ideals with those Legions (which would exist mind you lol), none of that...

Just an AU Gul'dan, 1 Burning Legion, and an Azeroth that they want to claim (which is likely the only Azeroth with a World Soul, mind you, but that's another debate entirely).

Chat is this Steve Danuser? Something being simple but irreversibly damaging the reliability of a crack addicts MMO narrative (like the most simple of stories possibly written) means that is isn't actually a simple solution.

Not even factoring in the screenshots, you feel this is real?

I am pretty sure that particular individual is what we like to call an inhabitant of the Darkspear Tribal Lands.

[Ferlion]

Not really. Imo, it makes more sense than our KJ chatting with an AU Archimonde or AU KJ to get an AU Gul'dan and kickstart a Legion invasion on Azeroth. Now, whether or not that Legion would be AU or our Legion would be unknown...

Hell, if the 1 Legion thing got retconned, then that would also imply that either our KJ was working with an AU Archimonde at the time to get HIS (our KJs) Legion onto Azeroth...that or an AU KJ was doing this all along, and we basically defeated an AU Burning Legion that was invading our physical universe.

Do you see just how easy the 1 Legion thing is in comparison?

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Cause now, you can say that KJ tried the Orc thing again, failed, then Archimonde took up the pieces only to die VIA his arrogance. Then, Archimonde sent AU Gul'dan to our Azeroth where KJ would get him to Kickstart the Legion invasion on Azeroth.

No AU Legion, no our Legion and AU Legion team up BS, no potential clashing ideals with those Legions (which would exist mind you lol), none of that...

Just an AU Gul'dan, 1 Burning Legion, and an Azeroth that they want to claim (which is likely the only Azeroth with a World Soul, mind you, but that's another debate entirely).

The issue is one of scale.

We know there is an AU Gul'dan, but we can't really say he was full on demon.

We CAN say that Illidan is full demon though. He is fully immersed as a being of disorder at this point, but there's still multiple versions of Illidan.

[meroes]

I don't think anyone of them are real, FWIW.

Wow the single sane poster. Sometimes there just are no leaks. If you go by this forum leaks are expected. That’s not always true. I used to leak patch notes for DOTA 1, and many times you’d have nothing from the primary and secondary sources. Yes leaks happen and have happened in the past. NO that doesn’t mean even convincing looking stuff is a leak.

If you’ve lost your sanity by checking this thread for 9600 hours that’s on you. The fact remains these leaks either appear outright absurd (missing “Of”, incorrect fonts, tons of blurry pics but not one tiny video) or are right what you’d expect a faker to gravitate toward. In the absurd camp, there is no way we get a “dwarf” themed expac. If there’s one thing I’m sure about is dwarves are unsexy to the masses, and WoW needs sex to sell since it abandoned its grittier foundations. GOT is LOTR hollowed out and with more sex. We are NOT getting a whole expac about dwarves right now. It’d be like GOT having a new season with all giants. I see bits that seem promising, but a dwarf focus is absurd. You can have a book about the Shire in LotR but not about giants in GOT. Get it? FWIW I believed the DF leaks. I forget how I thought about the WoD ones at the time. I’m going with dwarves are unsexy. Look at the backlash of mechagnomes, 1/8th? of the new races on their release as a patch, and unsexy as Dwarves. You really think we getting Mechagnomes the expac?

[Myrrh]

Vyranoth is gonna betray us
Idk how
Idk when
But it's coming
The book confirms that she has more reasons to be against us than with us

I personally disagree with this read. The book develops the fuel that led her down the path of allying with the primalists, but it's clear that she also was never fully at ease with the decision. She also never lied to Alex, and indeed her ultimate imprisonment was only because she honoured the terms of her duel with her. Vyr's followers then agreed to support Alex as long as the forced Ordering never again took place.

The book also doubles down on her soft spot for whelps, which is hinted at in some of the 10.2 content as well. She's very clearly not antagonistic by nature, but she felt deep unease at the Ordering of her kin and there was only one option available to her. Provided Alex doesn't step back towards the titanforged, I can't see Vyranoth backstabbing us.

[Paula Deen]

How does the 1 Legion stuff damage anything tho? Just means we have no weird ass clashing ordeals anymore, same with how we have no alternate Burning Legions to deal with.

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That's such an odd thing to say.

The one legion comment means that cosmos forces all have to abide by the same laws....so how did we even end up with Multiverses? AU Draenor should by all accounts not exist if only one legion exists across all timeways. Fuck, if I take an existential approach the whole universe should be space dust due to everything being destroyed by other forces in one off forces.

That means that if we destroy our Shadowlands, Upside Down Shadowlands (Fully Clothed Zovaal Land FCZL) FCZL will just cease to exist because we destroyed it in one reality. Its limiting.

Wow the single sane poster. Sometimes there just are no leaks. If you go by this forum leaks are expected. That’s not always true. I used to leak patch notes for DOTA 1, and many times you’d have nothing from the primary and secondary sources. Yes leaks happen and have happened in the past. NO that doesn’t mean even convincing looking stuff is a leak.

If you’ve lost your sanity by checking this thread for 9600 hours that’s on you. The fact remains these leaks either appear outright absurd (missing “Of”, incorrect fonts, tons of blurry pics but not one tiny video) or are right what you’d expect a faker to gravitate toward. In the abused camp, there is no way we get a “dwarf” themed expac. If there’s one thing I’m sure about is dwarves are unsexy to the masses, and WoW needs sex to sell since it abandoned its grittier foundations.

This is it. This may be the peak "CLOSEST TO LAUNCH" post I have ever seen on MMOC. What did you mean by this post?

[Mecheon]

They're not gonna WoD 2 and do a "if orcs didn't come to Kalimdor" thing right? Treating Dragonflight as MoP/Cata 2

I get some folks don't like it, but a "What if WC3 didn't happen" expansion has been my dream for a while (plus just, reusing its assets for a world revamp on the old world side). Living Lordaren as an Alliance city, Zul'aman for the Horde, blue Silvermoon that's gone crazy and captured Malygos for inevitable Silvermoon raid (as an excuse to update the city) and Eversong's gone into perpetual winter as a result, Durnholde's a massive fortress in Hillsbrad that's going to be the end zone thing. Gilneas has strange things washing up at night and got worgen way early because if WC3 doesn't happen, Kalimdor's going to be in a bit of an Old God state (and just making Gilneas into Bloodborne is a way to keep it relevant)

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The one legion comment means that cosmos forces all have to abide by the same laws....so how did we even end up with Multiverses? AU Draenor should by all accounts not exist if only one legion exists across all timeways. Fuck, if I take an existential approach the whole universe should be space dust due to everything being destroyed by other forces in one off forces.

That means that if we destroy our Shadowlands, Upside Down Shadowlands (Fully Clothed Zovaal Land FCZL) FCZL will just cease to exist because we destroyed it in one reality. Its limiting.

It hasn't been confirmed but I just like the headcanon that the One Legion thing only worked due to Argus being alive. He managed to cause everything to be stable, because he was still a Titan and they liked their order. Without Argus or Sargeras around, Legion proved as vulnerable to multiverses as everything else

[Ferlion]

Well, beyond the fact that the Illidan we faced in Azewrath was simply a fractured causality taking his form, the whole Illidan "demon soul" thing was a weird ordeal in general. This is especially weird since the Player DH also follows his Demon soul boundaries (With them ressing in the Nether and whatnot), yet when they die to Argus canonically, their soul is not ressed in the Nether, but it's ressed in the Spirit World like all the other heroes during that fight, so idk...

You could also argue that even tho Illidan and the Player DH have their souls bound to the Nether, they're still mortal enough to where time still applies to them...so idk

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All Cosmic Forces that are unbound to Order should be unbound by time, yes.

But anything that's bound to the laws of Order can have an AU counterpart. As for why Draenor has an AU counterpart even tho Outland exists? Well, that can be explained since Outland isn't FULLY in the Nether, but it is surrounded by its magics, etc. The Netherstorm is probably most effected by the Nethers energies ngl, and even then it's not fully in the Nether like Argus is.

There is a rare in Dragonflight that is an alternate timeline of Illidan.

Least, if I am remembering correctly its dragonflight.

[Paula Deen]

But anything that's bound to the laws of Order can have an AU counterpart. As for why Draenor has an AU counterpart even tho Outland exists? Well, that can be explained since Outland isn't FULLY in the Nether, but it is surrounded by its magics, etc. The Netherstorm is probably most effected by the Nethers energies ngl, and even then it's not fully in the Nether like Argus is.

See bru im getting a headache just thinking about all the shit you just typed and that is a sign that perhaps that comment was indeed one of the most damaging things ever said about WoW's lore.

Now ima try and stay on topic (if thats possible with no leaks and the little remaining sanity this forum has being drained by the fictional Curse Goblins for ad revenue).

[Colonel Sandor]

Like Cyrodiil was actually once a Jungle in-universe, until Tiber Septim retconned it in-universe with his god powers to be a beautiful European countryside and now no one even remembers it was a jungle full of nightmare monsters.

I'll never forgive Tiber for this.

[Paula Deen]

I'll never forgive Tiber for this.

tbf like outta all the shit that could be going wrong with elder scrolls lore, some dude just straight up willing an entire shithole out of existence and replacing it with idealistic country side is pretty based...if ESO wasn't so horrendously unpopular in my friend group I'd play it more....maybe if Todd got off his lazy ass and made a proper sequel I'd play that too....I think I just love Todd Howard.

[bdna]

Well, beyond the fact that the Illidan we faced in Azewrath was simply a fractured causality taking his form, the whole Illidan "demon soul" thing was a weird ordeal in general. This is especially weird since the Player DH also follows his Demon soul boundaries (With them ressing in the Nether and whatnot), yet when they die to Argus canonically, their soul is not ressed in the Nether, but it's ressed in the Spirit World like all the other heroes during that fight, so idk...

You could also argue that even tho Illidan and the Player DH have their souls bound to the Nether, they're still mortal enough to where time still applies to them...so idk

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All Cosmic Forces that are unbound to Order should be unbound by time, yes.

But anything that's bound to the laws of Order can have an AU counterpart. As for why Draenor has an AU counterpart even tho Outland exists? Well, that can be explained since Outland isn't FULLY in the Nether, but it is surrounded by its magics, etc. The Netherstorm is probably most effected by the Nethers energies ngl, and even then it's not fully in the Nether like Argus is.

Everyone is giving good arguments but let's be real, the ONLY reason AU Guldan is even a thing is because of the Oscar-worthy Warcraft movie.

[Nerdslime]

See bru im getting a headache just thinking about all the shit you just typed and that is a sign that perhaps that comment was indeed one of the most damaging things ever said about WoW's lore.

Now ima try and stay on topic (if thats possible with no leaks and the little remaining sanity this forum has being drained by the fictional Curse Goblins for ad revenue).

who leaked the Curse Goblins?!

[justwatching]

For what its worth regarding the demo areas and streaming areas. Some of the invited wow streamers will play classic(I'm assuming 1.15) in a group with members of the classic wow dev team but they havent been told what it is.

[Selorian]

See bru im getting a headache just thinking about all the shit you just typed and that is a sign that perhaps that comment was indeed one of the most damaging things ever said about WoW's lore.

Now ima try and stay on topic (if thats possible with no leaks and the little remaining sanity this forum has being drained by the fictional Curse Goblins for ad revenue).

It's extremely dumb but it doesn't really matter because outside of WoD you can just ignore that AUs exist.

The issue with things like this is people think about it way more than the writers did, because the writers were probably just like "dude it would be so cool if we had the original horde in wow" "bro we should totally do a time travel expansion to do that"

[meroes]

This is it. This may be the peak "CLOSEST TO LAUNCH" post I have ever seen on MMOC. What did you mean by this post?

I’m 100% serious btw. A dwarf expac is like a Star Wars series about Tusken. They ain’t cute, sexy, or gritty. Since WCII we’ve had grit and/or sexiness (high elf archers and rangers, Alleria, etc) at the fore. A dwarf at the fore is not Warcraft. It ain’t happening.

[Paula Deen]

I’m 100% serious btw. A dwarf expac is like a Star Wars series about Tusken. They ain’t cute, sexy, or gritty. Since WCII we’ve had grit and/or sexiness (high elf archers and rangers, Alleria, etc) at the fore. A dwarf at the fore is not Warcraft. It ain’t happening.

You will NOT be rockin' & stonin' in Khaz Algar with me friend.

[Ferlion]

I’m 100% serious btw. A dwarf expac is like a Star Wars series about Tusken. They ain’t cute, sexy, or gritty. Since WCII we’ve had grit and/or sexiness (high elf archers and rangers, Alleria, etc) at the fore. A dwarf at the fore is not Warcraft. It ain’t happening.

Dwarves are pretty cool, just Blizzard squanders the coolness of them.

The most Dwarf part of Dwarves in WoW is being archeologists and historians. We need the drunk, battleragering slightly insane dwarves.

[meroes]

Dwarves are pretty cool, just Blizzard squanders the coolness of them.

The most Dwarf part of Dwarves in WoW is being archeologists and historians. We need the drunk, battleragering slightly insane dwarves.

Exactly! This person gets it!

[Colonel Sandor]

tbf like outta all the shit that could be going wrong with elder scrolls lore, some dude just straight up willing an entire shithole out of existence and replacing it with idealistic country side is pretty based...if ESO wasn't so horrendously unpopular in my friend group I'd play it more....maybe if Todd got off his lazy ass and made a proper sequel I'd play that too....I think I just love Todd Howard.

Thing is, Cyrodiil went from interesting to generic with this change.

It was like if the Roman Empire conquered fantasy Asia and set up its civilization there. Had a pretty interesting and dangerous feel. Roman-like soldiers with katanas floating down rivers flanked with rice fields. With some south american themes mixed in as well.

Now it's like if the Roman Empire was centralized in Britain.