The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[JMitchy96]

If blizzard has any brains they will wipe the first ones away and just make them the Titans under a different name.

I really like the idea that the First Ones are actually a previous generation of Titans from before our own Pantheon, maybe from a previous "cycle" of the universe, that eventually became the First Ones and "created" the current universe as we know it.

[Nymrohd]

I really like the idea that the First Ones are actually a previous generation of Titans from before our own Pantheon, maybe from a previous "cycle" of the universe, that eventually became the First Ones and "created" the current universe as we know it.

a universe is just part of the Titan lifecycle

[Zankai27]

Everything suggests the first ones are simply the Titan's bosses. It's not that big of a deal & it never was.

"Sahdowlands bad, I don't actually have any real opinion besides that"

Speaking of First Ones, I've been slowly putting together a concept for a Plate class that uses their aesthetic and magics, along with some Constellar stuff. I'll eventually have something worthwhile to post about it.

[Revamp Man]

There is a slight chance that they could do revamps to some specs in 10.2.5 (at least get them set up for something coming in 11.0)

Though... we would need to find out which classes are in need of a rework and attention. (Except Warlocks... I don't know if someone mains warlocks at Blizz, but they're the most coddled class in DF.)

Look at the specs that have received fewest actual changes since launch but still have problems and that's a good starter for the list

[Harbour]

Can you post the image? The imgur link comes empty for me.
Edit: Bro, that is from 4 years ago

Someone summarized info in the comments. Mind you, that was 4 years ago, before SL even came out.

Spoiler: 

9.0 and beyond

The focus on the next expansion will be around both the return of and rise of the dragonflights as a whole and dealing with the forces of Death. Elune will be a big part of the next expansion as a sort of aspect of Light that serves as a 'frenemy' who's allied with Death. The Kaldorei's faith is shaken asince she put into motion the events that lead to Sylvanas' reign and her "Blood War".

Plans for future expacs are new zones as opposed to revamping older stuff. "Map looks cluttered but it's not like a serious problem". Concept art for an area called "spawning grounds" looks good but is just that, concept art.

New expacs will have "yet again more hidden isles"

"Is 9.0 Light vs. Void with factions being split?" Ka'resh is slated for 10.0 though at this stage that could still change. Unlikely though since that story is coming.

"Could you list the ideas for future expacs" Dragon Isles + Shadowlands confirmed. K'aresh concept. Ancient Azeroth/time travel with elf-queen Azshara concept.

There's a few drastic changes coming in 9.0 but they're nothing like a WoW 2. Mostly leveling changes(sort of a blended ESO-style) and some faction changes being weighed. Some on my team were working on prototypes of how a faction merger would work systems-wise and how it could still allow for PVP using warmode.

3 expansions planned out, only one is beyond concept art right now.

No WoW 2

Class Stuff

New Hero Class Tinker! Planned to start at 50(unclear if this is under new or current leveling system). Tank/Heal/DPS using Mail Armor. Tanks have 'power armor'(I read this as power armor like in the fallout series). DPS use stealth, bombs, mines and guns. Healers use healbots to heal in between damage dealing.

Class skins/Prestige class: Necromancer for Warlock. Dragonsworn for Druids. Dark Shaman for...well, Shaman. Later calls them "Prestige Classes" and labels them as a separate class. "It wouldn't make sense for a warlock to suddenly become a necromancer or a druid a dragonsworn" "There's a planned 'necromancer' prestige class for warlocks, though it'll just be a "skin" so to speak.

"Any plans for new specs to be added to existing classes?" No.
Lore not pertaining to previous entries

Yrel will come back eventually(likely in the expansion following) but not before then.

Elune has made a bargain with the goddess of Death and granted Tyrande mega powers(even though Tyrande wanted to kill Sylvanas who is working for the goddess) and is doing all she can to both honor the bargain and not forsake her people.

"Is the death god supposed to be the Xe'ra of the Death Aspect?" No Clue.

Most employees don't know the name of the death god or the new expansion names. They aren't told more than they need to know.

Wrathion has been postponed repeatedly since the Dragon Isles has been on the backburner for a while now(and was originally supposed to come after WoD). He'll play a big role and I'd be surprised if it wasn't his voice on the reveal trailer when they film it.

Azshara does not die and is alive into 9.0

N'zoth is defeated by the end of 8.3, not dead forever though.

Murozond is the person that was trying to kill Chromie.

[Xilurm]

The binary code leaks seem too good to be true. Mostly cause they include a revamp.

[The Stormbringer]

"Yes it is true,Quel'thalas and Draenei islands become part of kalimdor and eastern kingdoms. No loading screens."

NOOOOO! This one thing would break me and bring me back. The other stuff? Doesn't even matter. This? Remastered Quel'thalas and Azuremyst? Fuck yes, dude.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Calm down chief, the First Ones aren't even that offensive. They're basically scaled-up Titans created to fill the void left by making the Titans known quantities. They didn't kill your family or anything.

And their aesthetic is completely different, and only chuds hate their aesthetic.

There a bad writers attempt to up the stakes pulled out of no where and with no benefit to the lore while actively taking away from it but retconning what we had before for none sense gods above gods.

There shite.

[Makorus]

There a bad writers attempt to up the stakes pulled out of no where and with no benefit to the lore while actively taking away from it but retconning what we had before for none sense gods above gods.

There shite.

And having us be buddy-buddy with the strongest entities in the WoW universe is alright?

[Chickat]

That's pretty.

Yeah its a nice looking logo.

[JMitchy96]

There a bad writers attempt to up the stakes pulled out of no where and with no benefit to the lore while actively taking away from it but retconning what we had before for none sense gods above gods.

There shite.

AND YET - none of that even comes as close to the sin of Shadowlands' character assassination of Kel'thuzad. Whoever decided to 180 his character like they did in SL should not be working on WoW's story.

I'm pretty much over 90+% of SL's mistakes myself, but the Kel'thuzad stuff still stings me to this day.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Everything suggests the first ones are simply the Titan's bosses. It's not that big of a deal & it never was.

Ya and that’s awful.

Wow didn’t need gods above gods what chronicles laid out with there light void Big Bang and the forces awaking and trying to do things in there own unique natures is infinitely better then all the first one and Zerith nonesense.

[PFKlax]

Someone summarized info in the comments. Mind you, that was 4 years ago, before SL even came out.

Spoiler: 

9.0 and beyond

The focus on the next expansion will be around both the return of and rise of the dragonflights as a whole and dealing with the forces of Death. Elune will be a big part of the next expansion as a sort of aspect of Light that serves as a 'frenemy' who's allied with Death. The Kaldorei's faith is shaken asince she put into motion the events that lead to Sylvanas' reign and her "Blood War".

Plans for future expacs are new zones as opposed to revamping older stuff. "Map looks cluttered but it's not like a serious problem". Concept art for an area called "spawning grounds" looks good but is just that, concept art.

New expacs will have "yet again more hidden isles"

"Is 9.0 Light vs. Void with factions being split?" Ka'resh is slated for 10.0 though at this stage that could still change. Unlikely though since that story is coming.

"Could you list the ideas for future expacs" Dragon Isles + Shadowlands confirmed. K'aresh concept. Ancient Azeroth/time travel with elf-queen Azshara concept.

There's a few drastic changes coming in 9.0 but they're nothing like a WoW 2. Mostly leveling changes(sort of a blended ESO-style) and some faction changes being weighed. Some on my team were working on prototypes of how a faction merger would work systems-wise and how it could still allow for PVP using warmode.

3 expansions planned out, only one is beyond concept art right now.

No WoW 2

Class Stuff

New Hero Class Tinker! Planned to start at 50(unclear if this is under new or current leveling system). Tank/Heal/DPS using Mail Armor. Tanks have 'power armor'(I read this as power armor like in the fallout series). DPS use stealth, bombs, mines and guns. Healers use healbots to heal in between damage dealing.

Class skins/Prestige class: Necromancer for Warlock. Dragonsworn for Druids. Dark Shaman for...well, Shaman. Later calls them "Prestige Classes" and labels them as a separate class. "It wouldn't make sense for a warlock to suddenly become a necromancer or a druid a dragonsworn" "There's a planned 'necromancer' prestige class for warlocks, though it'll just be a "skin" so to speak.

"Any plans for new specs to be added to existing classes?" No.
Lore not pertaining to previous entries

Yrel will come back eventually(likely in the expansion following) but not before then.

Elune has made a bargain with the goddess of Death and granted Tyrande mega powers(even though Tyrande wanted to kill Sylvanas who is working for the goddess) and is doing all she can to both honor the bargain and not forsake her people.

"Is the death god supposed to be the Xe'ra of the Death Aspect?" No Clue.

Most employees don't know the name of the death god or the new expansion names. They aren't told more than they need to know.

Wrathion has been postponed repeatedly since the Dragon Isles has been on the backburner for a while now(and was originally supposed to come after WoD). He'll play a big role and I'd be surprised if it wasn't his voice on the reveal trailer when they film it.

Azshara does not die and is alive into 9.0

N'zoth is defeated by the end of 8.3, not dead forever though.

Murozond is the person that was trying to kill Chromie.

Exactly. Way too accurate for 2019. I think it's legit.

[Zankai27]

There a bad writers attempt to up the stakes pulled out of no where and with no benefit to the lore while actively taking away from it but retconning what we had before for none sense gods above gods.

There shite.

"I like the Titans, I no like when something bigger than Titans" is literally all you needed to say.

Seems pointless to explain this but:

They don't do anything to affect "stakes". They're a mystery element that adds macro context to the setting. It's basically the role the Titans had pre-Legion, before they were entities we knew and interacted with, but with even more ambiguity. We can name Titans, we can't name the First Ones. We just know they created the cosmos, and what their magic/creations are like. It gives the universe a decent bit more mystery to work with, from a writing perspective.

[13last]

Someone summarized info in the comments. Mind you, that was 4 years ago, before SL even came out.

Spoiler: 

9.0 and beyond

The focus on the next expansion will be around both the return of and rise of the dragonflights as a whole and dealing with the forces of Death. Elune will be a big part of the next expansion as a sort of aspect of Light that serves as a 'frenemy' who's allied with Death. The Kaldorei's faith is shaken asince she put into motion the events that lead to Sylvanas' reign and her "Blood War".

Plans for future expacs are new zones as opposed to revamping older stuff. "Map looks cluttered but it's not like a serious problem". Concept art for an area called "spawning grounds" looks good but is just that, concept art.

New expacs will have "yet again more hidden isles"

"Is 9.0 Light vs. Void with factions being split?" Ka'resh is slated for 10.0 though at this stage that could still change. Unlikely though since that story is coming.

"Could you list the ideas for future expacs" Dragon Isles + Shadowlands confirmed. K'aresh concept. Ancient Azeroth/time travel with elf-queen Azshara concept.

There's a few drastic changes coming in 9.0 but they're nothing like a WoW 2. Mostly leveling changes(sort of a blended ESO-style) and some faction changes being weighed. Some on my team were working on prototypes of how a faction merger would work systems-wise and how it could still allow for PVP using warmode.

3 expansions planned out, only one is beyond concept art right now.

No WoW 2

Class Stuff

New Hero Class Tinker! Planned to start at 50(unclear if this is under new or current leveling system). Tank/Heal/DPS using Mail Armor. Tanks have 'power armor'(I read this as power armor like in the fallout series). DPS use stealth, bombs, mines and guns. Healers use healbots to heal in between damage dealing.

Class skins/Prestige class: Necromancer for Warlock. Dragonsworn for Druids. Dark Shaman for...well, Shaman. Later calls them "Prestige Classes" and labels them as a separate class. "It wouldn't make sense for a warlock to suddenly become a necromancer or a druid a dragonsworn" "There's a planned 'necromancer' prestige class for warlocks, though it'll just be a "skin" so to speak.

"Any plans for new specs to be added to existing classes?" No.
Lore not pertaining to previous entries

Yrel will come back eventually(likely in the expansion following) but not before then.

Elune has made a bargain with the goddess of Death and granted Tyrande mega powers(even though Tyrande wanted to kill Sylvanas who is working for the goddess) and is doing all she can to both honor the bargain and not forsake her people.

"Is the death god supposed to be the Xe'ra of the Death Aspect?" No Clue.

Most employees don't know the name of the death god or the new expansion names. They aren't told more than they need to know.

Wrathion has been postponed repeatedly since the Dragon Isles has been on the backburner for a while now(and was originally supposed to come after WoD). He'll play a big role and I'd be surprised if it wasn't his voice on the reveal trailer when they film it.

Azshara does not die and is alive into 9.0

N'zoth is defeated by the end of 8.3, not dead forever though.

Murozond is the person that was trying to kill Chromie.

For being 4 years old this kind of gets a few things right. I guess we'll know more when we see what Elune has been up to.

[Vakir]

The binary code leaks seem too good to be true. Mostly cause they include a revamp.

Anyone have a consolidated list of this one?

[Makorus]

Someone summarized info in the comments. Mind you, that was 4 years ago, before SL even came out.

Spoiler: 

9.0 and beyond

The focus on the next expansion will be around both the return of and rise of the dragonflights as a whole and dealing with the forces of Death. Elune will be a big part of the next expansion as a sort of aspect of Light that serves as a 'frenemy' who's allied with Death. The Kaldorei's faith is shaken asince she put into motion the events that lead to Sylvanas' reign and her "Blood War".

Plans for future expacs are new zones as opposed to revamping older stuff. "Map looks cluttered but it's not like a serious problem". Concept art for an area called "spawning grounds" looks good but is just that, concept art.

New expacs will have "yet again more hidden isles"

"Is 9.0 Light vs. Void with factions being split?" Ka'resh is slated for 10.0 though at this stage that could still change. Unlikely though since that story is coming.

"Could you list the ideas for future expacs" Dragon Isles + Shadowlands confirmed. K'aresh concept. Ancient Azeroth/time travel with elf-queen Azshara concept.

There's a few drastic changes coming in 9.0 but they're nothing like a WoW 2. Mostly leveling changes(sort of a blended ESO-style) and some faction changes being weighed. Some on my team were working on prototypes of how a faction merger would work systems-wise and how it could still allow for PVP using warmode.

3 expansions planned out, only one is beyond concept art right now.

No WoW 2

Class Stuff

New Hero Class Tinker! Planned to start at 50(unclear if this is under new or current leveling system). Tank/Heal/DPS using Mail Armor. Tanks have 'power armor'(I read this as power armor like in the fallout series). DPS use stealth, bombs, mines and guns. Healers use healbots to heal in between damage dealing.

Class skins/Prestige class: Necromancer for Warlock. Dragonsworn for Druids. Dark Shaman for...well, Shaman. Later calls them "Prestige Classes" and labels them as a separate class. "It wouldn't make sense for a warlock to suddenly become a necromancer or a druid a dragonsworn" "There's a planned 'necromancer' prestige class for warlocks, though it'll just be a "skin" so to speak.

"Any plans for new specs to be added to existing classes?" No.
Lore not pertaining to previous entries

Yrel will come back eventually(likely in the expansion following) but not before then.

Elune has made a bargain with the goddess of Death and granted Tyrande mega powers(even though Tyrande wanted to kill Sylvanas who is working for the goddess) and is doing all she can to both honor the bargain and not forsake her people.

"Is the death god supposed to be the Xe'ra of the Death Aspect?" No Clue.

Most employees don't know the name of the death god or the new expansion names. They aren't told more than they need to know.

Wrathion has been postponed repeatedly since the Dragon Isles has been on the backburner for a while now(and was originally supposed to come after WoD). He'll play a big role and I'd be surprised if it wasn't his voice on the reveal trailer when they film it.

Azshara does not die and is alive into 9.0

N'zoth is defeated by the end of 8.3, not dead forever though.

Murozond is the person that was trying to kill Chromie.

This is a direct transcript of the images, and if you look at them, it's not really as believable anymore.

"Who is the last boss of BFA?" Not really a final boss so to speak but the final encounter is saving Sylvanas(though it will require fighting her first) and resealing N'Zoth's prison.

Sylvanas lives. Turns out she was trying to save the world! "Sylvanas is doing all she can to stop N'Zoth from breaking from his prison. Though not all will be forgiven.

Nya'lotha is 8.3. Larger than a normal zone. Wouldn't be surprised if it was cut in to 2-4 zones. Tallest zone yet.

[GhostFish]

I really like the idea that the First Ones are actually a previous generation of Titans from before our own Pantheon, maybe from a previous "cycle" of the universe, that eventually became the First Ones and "created" the current universe as we know it.

I'm pretty sure the Progenitors are just a fourth-wall bending nod to Blizzard and the people who have made WoW. That's why their architecture is geometric and their language is mathematics. That's why the prototypes of the pantheon look like segmented models.

[Jaggler]

I heard that in the next expansion we get a legendary ring which we will have to power up using "Avaloren Particles" which are harvested from a new System in an Underground tunnel called Uldhast.

I'm pretty sure the Progenitors are just a fourth-wall bending nod to Blizzard and the people who have made WoW. That's why their architecture is geometric and their language is mathematics. That's why the prototypes of the pantheon look like segmented models.

The First Ones are an attempt to bring back some mystery back to WoW, after we basically buddied up with the titans. They fill the "whole" in the space the Titans left.

[Zankai27]

For being 4 years old this kind of gets a few things right. I guess we'll know more when we see what Elune has been up to.

Any leak from 4 years ago probably got at least something right. A lot of these are easy-to-guess story beats and let's not even cover the fact that Prestige Classes are a shit idea that'll never happen and hasn't in 4 years.

And, y'know, we got a new class in the last 4 years that wasn't Tinker.