The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Zankai27]

That's true too. I wonder what the correlation between Titans and First Ones is truly. I wasn't the biggest fan of the idea of the First Ones, so simplifying it as the Titans, or something Order adjacent would be interesting.

That doesn't make any sense though. Look, think of the First Ones as "the thing behind the curtain we aren't supposed to know about." The Zereths are all basically 3D printers for the universe we're never supposed to go to.

The First Ones themselves aren't even really a factor. They're just a big mystery meant to give the setting scope. Attaching Order specifically to them fucks the entire concept up, because it's supposed to be what the Titans are.

[Nightshade711]

https://imgur.com/a/xTdc2hM

Here's all the text for the new weapons

That void weapon’s text is interesting. The hope for playable Ethereals continues.
An Ethereal Artificer (assuming the artificer leak is true) would be really neat.

Though it’s interesting, would the implication be that Dimensius is the Harbinger or that he gave the staff to the Harbinger?

[Sondrelk]

I'm inclined to give it the benefit of doubt. Earthen and Atificers are different than what is normally put on expansion wish lists. Hell the world revamp is the only real buzzword it uses. No player housing or any evergreen feature mentioned. This doesn't strike me as a wishlist.

Earthen and Artificer especially seem off to me. Earthen because why would that be a new race? It's not desired by players, it doesnt fill a niche compared to the existing two dwarves, and we already had a new race in DF.
Artificer because why wouldnt you just call it Tinker instead of Artificer? The class it's seemingly attempting to emulate is plainly the Tinker, the well established archetype in Warcraft lore. Mekkatorque is even called High Tinker. Only way it could make sense is if Tinker is a spec.

[Puupi]

Who is Dimensius again?

Big voidwalker in Netherstorm.

[Bomba the Shaman]

I wonder what will they do with the talent trees next xpack? Sure they'll add 10 more points for new levels, and a few more talents, but will they try to expand the system somehow?

[Jaggler]

Well, we only got a small glimpse into the workings of the first one, I wouldn't draw too big of a conclusion out of it. We saw their work in the Death Realm. We don't know how their work looks like in Zereth Lumen, Zereth Vita etc. It's like seeing Eonar and concluding "Titans must be all about life". Not that i need or want that aspect to be explored, but drawing too man conclusions from Zereth Mortis could be misleading.

I wonder what will they do with the talent trees next xpack? Sure they'll add 10 more points for new levels, and a few more talents, but will they try to expand the system somehow?

The new talenttrees all in all have been a success, surely they will be tweaked, some reworked etc. But I don't see too much tinkering with it. I suppose it'll be like TBC, Wrath, etc: The tree gets expanded and you get more points.

[Raetary]

That void weapon’s text is interesting. The hope for playable Ethereals continues.
An Ethereal Artificer (assuming the artificer leak is true) would be really neat.

Though it’s interesting, would the implication be that Dimensius is the Harbinger or that he gave the staff to the Harbinger?

I'd say the implication is he bestowed the staff he to the Harbinger.

And the Harbinger is responsible to usher him in.

[PFKlax]

Also, importantly, don't forget about the Shadowscrawled coin at the start of DF...directly linking to the Ethereals.

"Thank you for the opportunity to observe you. The information I've gathered has been illuminating, to say the least. This will be my final gift... for now."

[Sondrelk]

I wonder what will they do with the talent trees next xpack? Sure they'll add 10 more points for new levels, and a few more talents, but will they try to expand the system somehow?

Doubtful. The idea here seems to be that they want to just give old Talent trees another shot, and having them expand every expansion was a problem, and why they eventually scrapped it, though that is a good few years away still.

[Cheezits]

While it's cool that he's back, it's a little disappointing that yet again the ONLY named void lord is Dimensius. Like we couldn't get a new name?

[Zankai27]

I wonder what will they do with the talent trees next xpack? Sure they'll add 10 more points for new levels, and a few more talents, but will they try to expand the system somehow?

They did say back when they announced DF that they had designed the trees to expand both vertically and horizontally with time, so hopefully they'll have something interesting to show with them

[D4NNYB0Y]

Earthen and Artificer especially seem off to me. Earthen because why would that be a new race? It's not desired by players, it doesnt fill a niche compared to the existing two dwarves, and we already had a new race in DF.
Artificer because why wouldnt you just call it Tinker instead of Artificer? The class it's seemingly attempting to emulate is plainly the Tinker, the well established archetype in Warcraft lore. Mekkatorque is even called High Tinker. Only way it could make sense is if Tinker is a spec.

Artificer is a more general name for an engineer in fantasy RPGs.

Tinker is specific to Gnomish and Goblin engineers. If they wanted to proliferate the class to more races they would want to use a less race-specific term.

Artificer is the engineering class in DnD, and also leans more towards magitech than traditional engineering tropes.

[Puupi]

I wonder what will they do with the talent trees next xpack? Sure they'll add 10 more points for new levels, and a few more talents, but will they try to expand the system somehow?

5 points per tree. And then they probably add more point requirements for the first two tiers of talents so you actually can't get more capstone stuff. And I doubt they will add much more talents anyway. Maybe shuffle things around a bit and introduce one new talent that actually does something.

[Selorian]

Doubtful. The idea here seems to be that they want to just give old Talent trees another shot, and having them expand every expansion was a problem, and why they eventually scrapped it, though that is a good few years away still.

Morgan Day or Ion said something like "Eventually we'll have to change it, but we can get a good 10 years out of the system so it's worth it"

[Gwynvael]

Also, importantly, don't forget about the Shadowscrawled coin at the start of DF...directly linking to the Ethereals.

"Thank you for the opportunity to observe you. The information I've gathered has been illuminating, to say the least. This will be my final gift... for now."

Holy sh!t. That's right. Completely forgot about the journal coins. Very good point.

[Wangming]

While it's cool that he's back, it's a little disappointing that yet again the ONLY named void lord is Dimensius. Like we couldn't get a new name?

I'm sure with a much bigger void focus we will learn more. It might also turn out to be a title.

[micwini]

Who is Dimensius again?

Random voidwalker we killed in a quest in Netherstorm in TBC

[Cheezits]

Holy sh!t. That's right. Completely forgot about the journal coins. Very good point.

The journal stuff made sense with the idea that it was just foreshadowing Brawlers Guild (as the Ethereals were the enemy in the latest version) but now that that isn't happening in DF, it may be a future expansion hint.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

What got retconned by the First Ones existing?

Them ordering the universe instead of the light/void clashing creating it.

Doing the same with the pantheons.

Every thing about death and souls in the shadowlands.

The titans being granted “wonders by there makers” by then instead of just waking up and going about there nature as world shaping being of order.

Ect ect.

[taishar68]

Regardless of the where or the how, I am speculating that Thrall retakes leadership of the Horde, based largely on his place in the keyart, and the trend featuring Sylvanas and Alex in the last two virtual cons. If you want to speculate that due to being a shaman that leads more to a wink to Storms, knock yourself out . Having Metzen back plays a part in that as well.

I'd really like to see the Forsaken get their creepy vibe back too. Doing the Forsaken heritage armor questline, they seem a bit too...nice. Your OG Forsaken NPC would not fail to remind you that you're a little shit and to be quick about your business, now they're just too touchy feely, I think (Please don't make this a woke/not woke thing...please)

Lastly...bring back uncapped grinding. Reputation or Renown, whatever you call it, don't put governors on how fast I want to crank out a rep grind with weekly quests and such. I'm not saying I need to be exalted/max overnight, but when I want to target a specific thing, I don't want to sit on my hands until Tuesday rolls around.