The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Houle]

Right, so now looking at that, the First Ones making them still makes more sense.

Not really? The chronicles lore basically said that the titans were created with the warcraft universes equivalnt of the big bang - light and void clashing on a big scale, which caused a big explosion from which the physical universe was born. The titens were basically big leftover energies from that event. Thats pretty straight forward.

"The First Ones made everything" on the other hand only makes sense until you start asking, who made the First Ones then? Or how did they come into existence, when there was nothing before them?

[Jaggler]

Well, Metzen helped write Chronicles vol 1 & the very first page of that explains that Azeroth has a world soul because of all the different elemental powers, spirit is the one that fused with its core.

Can you tell me a page? I just looked, but i didn't find a reference to that.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

"Oh no my video game with space magic and the ability for narrative exposition about the universe did something different than real life!"

Come on.

Yo can you tell me how to reach the church of the holy light for alms or when the next legion invasion will happen given that acing a Big Bang means wow is doing the same things as real life.

[The Stormbringer]

But who made the First Ones?

The Before Ones, obviously.

[Houle]

Well, Metzen helped write Chronicles vol 1 & the very first page of that explains that Azeroth has a world soul because of all the different elemental powers, spirit is the one that fused with its core.

Nope, it said the already-existing world soul slurped up almost all of the spirit element, not that it came into existence bc of it.

[taishar68]

The Before Ones, obviously.

Made me chuckle.

[Nyel]

Even if binary guy was trolling, he has been the best part of this leak season yet, everything was either trash, obviously fake or totally underwhelming (yes, those Avaloren screenshots are still terrible + fake).

[Zankai27]

Not really? The chronicles lore basically said that the titans were created with the warcraft universes equivalnt of the big bang - light and void clashing on a big scale, which caused a big explosion from which the physical universe was born. The titens were basically big leftover energies from that event. Thats pretty straight forward.

"The First Ones made everything" on the other hand only makes sense until you start asking, who made the First Ones then? Or how did they come into existence, when there was nothing before them?

"Why did light and void clash when there was nothing?" "Why are the Titans made multiple different powers if the remnants of light and void created them?"

The whole event is just a very basic biblical reference. You can cherrypick any of this shit. At least the First Ones gives a structural reason for the Titans to do what they do.

[Pinksocking]

anyone else think the ai generated shite killed the excitement of the leaks / fakes?

[Samin]

But who made the First Ones?

The First Zeros. Reality is an Array.

[PotHockets]

anyone else think the ai generated shite killed the excitement of the leaks / fakes?

No but the constant bitching and whining about every single thing WoW sure did

[Sondrelk]

anyone else think the ai generated shite killed the excitement of the leaks / fakes?

Not by itself, no. AI stuff can be fun to discuss if it's good enough quality that you have to debate whether it's real or not. Just making boring AI images and adding some blurring effects is pretty obnoxious however.

[Dismayxz]

See what I wanna know is how Ka'resh fits into Khaz Algar/Avaloren and Earthen as a race?

It doesn't? I don't know if we all read different binary results, but the picture of K'aresh wasn't a hint at Ethereals or K'aresh, it was leading to the code that would get us the Transmog restriction reddit post. Using Ethereals/K'aresh for this just makes sense, because they are typically who you'd go to for Transmog. The picture literally started a small hypetrain that had absolutely zero to do with the actual result of that picture in the riddle.

[Marlamin]

In 10.2 news, traditional flying is now basically a day 1 unlock and you only need to explore the new zone provided you are up to date with the existing content. Did not expect that.

Upon further review, we’ve decided to remove the Freshscales Fifteen requirement from Dragon Isles Pathfinder. There will be no Renown level requirements.

I’ve updated the OP here, and we’re updating the Guardians of the Dream patch notes to reflect this.

Thank you for your feedback!

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...am/1697953/523

[Pinksocking]

can someone drop a tinker leak made by ai

thx

[Nightshade711]

Earthen and Artificer especially seem off to me. Earthen because why would that be a new race? It's not desired by players, it doesnt fill a niche compared to the existing two dwarves, and we already had a new race in DF.

I don’t think Earthen will be a core race. At most I see them being an Allied Race, given blizzard said they will use the system past BfA.

Artificer because why wouldnt you just call it Tinker instead of Artificer? The class it's seemingly attempting to emulate is plainly the Tinker, the well established archetype in Warcraft lore. Mekkatorque is even called High Tinker. Only way it could make sense is if Tinker is a spec.

Imo it’d be called Artificer to not limit it to gnomes/goblins. Artificer could/would likely encompass most (if not all) races & their technology. Because a class that’s restricted to Gnomes & Goblins would likely be DoA

[Ersula]

Nope, it said the already-existing world soul slurped up almost all of the spirit element, not that it came into existence bc of it.

If Chronicles is from the perspective of the Titans how could they possibly know that? They didn't know about Azeroth before they found it.

Even so Chronicles is more consistent with the First Ones lore than all the other contradictions that came before it, and Metzen wrote it so I doubt the First Ones lore, as vague as it is, is ever going to be retconned.

[Nyel]

anyone else think the ai generated shite killed the excitement of the leaks / fakes?

I really think so, yes. Before we had AI people needed to go out of their way to create believable leaks / logos or whatever, now it’s just a matter of time and we get flooded with bs. Honestly, I hate it and it sucked a lot of fun out of leak season.

[bruxx]

Could just be that...

They always were and never were at the same time. Beings like that are a thing in fiction.

A time travelling Goblin and his failed experiment. Closed loop.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

considering we didn't know how the shadowlands worked or actually are, their existence can't retcon anything about it.

We weren't even aware of other pantheons, so them existing can't retcon that either.

The physical universe could still have been formed by the Light and Void clashing.

We have had tons of quest about death souls and even going to the shadowlands, like none of them fit with what we got in SL.

We have known about other pantheons since atleast the first chronicles with the void lords.

And no what we get in chronicles doesn’t fit with what the SL book tells us of any ordering of the universe and the powers being balanced.