The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Houle]

"Why did light and void clash when there was nothing?" "Why are the Titans made multiple different powers if the remnants of light and void created them?"

The whole event is just a very basic biblical reference. You can cherrypick any of this shit. At least the First Ones gives a structural reason for the Titans to do what they do.

Again, not really. Why did the First Ones make the cosmic forces in the first place? Why did they put titans into the physical universe, when every other "pantheon" is seemingly bound to their plane of existence?

And yes, the lore before had questions like these open as well - im just pointing out that adding the First Ones cleared up nothing and didnt add more sense to it. Its still 90% vague and unexplained.

[micwini]

In 10.2 news, traditional flying is now basically a day 1 unlock and you only need to explore the new zone provided you are up to date with the existing content. Did not expect that.

Upon further review, we’ve decided to remove the Freshscales Fifteen requirement from Dragon Isles Pathfinder. There will be no Renown level requirements.

I’ve updated the OP here, and we’re updating the Guardians of the Dream patch notes to reflect this.

Thank you for your feedback!

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...am/1697953/523

It actually makes sense tbh. Why having to unlock an inferior form of flying when the superior one was given for free on launch?

[Ebonn]

Upon further review, we’ve decided to remove the Freshscales Fifteen requirement from Dragon Isles Pathfinder. There will be no Renown level requirements.

I’ve updated the OP here, and we’re updating the Guardians of the Dream patch notes to reflect this.

Thank you for your feedback!

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...am/1697953/523

Thank goodness, the one thing I really didn’t want to have to do is get renown 15 with Niffen.

[Puupi]

In 10.2 news, traditional flying is now basically a day 1 unlock and you only need to explore the new zone provided you are up to date with the existing content. Did not expect that.


Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Upon further review, we’ve decided to remove the Freshscales Fifteen requirement from Dragon Isles Pathfinder. There will be no Renown level requirements.

I’ve updated the OP here, and we’re updating the Guardians of the Dream patch notes to reflect this.

Thank you for your feedback!





https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...am/1697953/523

Great news. I was already dreading on it. My highest loamm niffen is probably like 8.

[Gloriandus]

Unfortunately you can't use "traditional" flying in Zaralek or Emerald Dream. Weird, but (currently) true.

[ZyntosAran]

Unfortunately you can't use "traditional" flying in Zaralek or Emerald Dream. Weird, but (currently) true.

wasnt that fixed?
Thats definitely not intended.

[Nerdslime]

Thank goodness, the one thing I really didn’t want to have to do is get renown 15 with Niffen.

Same. /10char

[Nymrohd]

If Chronicles is from the perspective of the Titans how could they possibly know that? They didn't know about Azeroth before they found it.

Even so Chronicles is more consistent with the First Ones lore than all the other contradictions that came before it, and Metzen wrote it so I doubt the First Ones lore, as vague as it is, is ever going to be retconned.

It's written in the future obviously

[Ersula]

I don’t think Earthen will be a core race. At most I see them being an Allied Race, given blizzard said they will use the system past BfA.

I'm really hoping the Alliance attacks the sunwell or something. Without faction conflict there's almost zero reason for prospective new races to join us.

It's written in the future obviously

But how do they know something they didn't experience? They didn't expect to find a world soul in Azeroth; it's existence defied all their logic so its clearly not something that happens by nature.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

None of what you're saying makes any sense. Nobody cares what your character thinks, and honestly the "very basic" light v void thing probably still happened in The Great Dark. First Ones irrespective.

"If they were shaping the Shadowlands around the First Ones, then Shadowlands is their fault"

So again, if your position is literally just "Shadowlands bad", why don't you say that? Then we can just disagree and move on.

If by “any one in our universe”, you meant the real world, then no one would who has followed the lore would say all of that is the same.

And yes Shaodwlands bad. But the first ones aren’t an awful idea because of shaodwlands they are awful because of the way there excited and they would still be bad no matter what expan they were tied to if done in such a way.

[ZyntosAran]

German Warcraft Account uses interesting pics for the countdown.
Yesterday was Lich King Fight, today its classic dwarf hunter
https://twitter.com/Warcraft_DE/stat...91421996048723

[Nymrohd]

Thank goodness, the one thing I really didn’t want to have to do is get renown 15 with Niffen.

This confuses me. The campaign alone will get you close to it. Did you never do a world quests or sniffenseeking or researchers under fire?

[bruxx]

I don’t think Earthen will be a core race. At most I see them being an Allied Race, given blizzard said they will use the system past BfA.
/QUOTE]I'm really hoping the Alliance attacks the sunwell or something. Without faction conflict there's almost zero reason for prospective new races to join us.

Protection against any other threat that is not opposing faction, or even a trade deal. While war is a good source of alliances, it isn't the only one.

[Sentynel]

German Warcraft Account uses interesting pics for the countdown.
Yesterday was Lich King Fight, today its classic dwarf hunter
https://twitter.com/Warcraft_DE/stat...91421996048723

Prolly WOTLK Classic and SOM 2 / Hardcore

[Yunravel]

https://twitter.com/Warcraft_FR/stat...026238/photo/1

dwarf pic, its over wowbros..............

[Jaggler]

We have had tons of quest about death souls and even going to the shadowlands, like none of them fit with what we got in SL.

We have known about other pantheons since atleast the first chronicles with the void lords.

And no what we get in chronicles doesn’t fit with what the SL book tells us of any ordering of the universe and the powers being balanced.

please tell me, what quests the SL retconned.

[Magistrate]

Unfortunately you can't use "traditional" flying in Zaralek or Emerald Dream. Weird, but (currently) true.

Odd given that you can use dynamic flying in them already, but in fairness many patch zones still don't allow flying period and flying was a staple feature. Firelands, Timeless Isle, Isle of Thunder, that prison island from Cata, and so on.

Regardless, still weird.

Not sure the reason for the unlock requirement for boring flying at this point anyway with how late in the expac and such.

I think it makes sense to not allow it in the Dream since that zone was designed specifically for Dragonriding and it's also going to be current content at the time, but wouldn't strongly care if people wanted bad flying in it. Their weird choice. Just don't let it work with any Dragonriding world quests.

[matijwow]

I mean, the Titans, like every other Pantheon, are children of the Progenitors. The Titans too a lot from the First Ones, and that includes their naming ordeals. It's why things are so similar between them, like the Forge of Wills and whatnot having Titan Keeper "vessels" being forged from factories (Similar to how divine vessels are forged in Cosmic Factories like the Sepulcher), names of different forges being similar (Uldum has the Forge of Wills, and the heart of the Cosmic Pattern has the Machine of Origination), etc.

Here's the origins of the universe, elements, naaru, and titans according to Chronicle 1. https://i.imgur.com/6xmmbsW.png
TL;DR
-Light and Void existed first
-Where Light didn't shine, Void grew
-Light and Void struggling -> explosion -> physical universe
-Unstable energy formed the Twisting Nether
-Shards of light implanted in matter formed life and elementals
-Clouds of light formed Naaru
-Titans formed in fiery planet cores, sending their own energy into their planets before waking up

[micwini]

German Warcraft Account uses interesting pics for the countdown.
Yesterday was Lich King Fight, today its classic dwarf hunter
https://twitter.com/Warcraft_DE/stat...91421996048723

Not interesting at all, it's just their most recent key art. I would bet that tomorrow's one has the 10.2 key art.

[bruxx]

This confuses me. The campaign alone will get you close to it. Did you never do a world quests or sniffenseeking or researchers under fire?

Personally I have grown very bored of the open world content by the end of 9.0 and barely engaged in it throghout the forbidden reach and Zaralek, been doing little more than raid logging, I think I'm like rank 10 with the moles