The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Varodoc]

Even more than that, Ironforge was originally designed to have several smaller entrances. Two of them are still visible that I know of. The one to the flight range, and the one near the descent into the Wetlands.

Dwarven cities are always implied to be massive and sprawling lorewise.

Dark iron city extends from the very core of Blackrock Mountain (largest mountain in the EK) to its very summit.

Grim Batol is also implied to go much further down than what is seen in-game.

Alpha Ironforge had multiple levels and an element of verticality to it.

I expect Khaz Algar to be a zone-wide city, like Zuldazar. And much like Zuldazar, I expect it to have multiple levels and an element of verticality to it.

[Hitei]

I'm not even sure Housing by itself would sell an Avaloren expansion as we see so far.

I dunno why people act like expansions need to be sold on the highest tier of concept heirarchy.

If the trailer starts playing and the zones look sweet, or it has one vaguely interesting feature, or involves some vaguely interesting figures, the general playerbase isn't going to care that it's "omg just a random island again!!!"

[Nyel]

I've thought of this too. Avaloren is patch 10.3.
A new expansion won't get announced. It will get announced sometime in the spring.

Look:

Legion release August 2016
BFA announce November 2017
GAP 15 months

BFA Release August 2018
Shadowlands announce November 2019
GAP 15 months

Shadowlands Release November 2020
Dragonflight announced April 2022
GAP 17 months

Dragonflight release November 2022
New Expansion announce November 2023
GAP less than 12 months

Imagine them giving us a 10.3 nobody asked for and what will definitely not bring a decent amount of players back just to delay your expansion which means $$$ and will bring players back at least to try it out. This would be the dumbest financial decision ever. And imagine them wasting Blizzcon to not announce a new expansion.

[FourKuma]

People somehow thinking that wow having the most news to announce at Blizzcon means that they are going to talk about a singular patch for retail and then.. What? Classic+ How does this logic work exactly?

I'm not against the idea of Avaloren being a patch area, but saying they won't announce an expansion is actually insane given what we've heard.

[kavikor]

Imagine them giving us a 10.3 nobody asked for and what will definitely not bring a decent amount of players back just to delay your expansion which means $$$ and will bring players back at least to try it out. This would be the dumbest financial decision ever. And imagine them wasting Blizzcon to not announce a new expansion.

Agreed. If we get in and they announce 10.3 I'm gonna be pretty disappointed, but they could also announce it along side an expansion which would be better...

But I'm still hoping for a summer expansion release. I'm ready to leave the Dragon Isles.

[Edoll]

How would people feel if both the binary and the screenshot leaks were real?

[justwatching]

Well made? A lot of effort, yes. But the quality of that was is shown is pretty poor for WoWs newest standards.

Yeah I'm just gonna disagree here the DF zones arent that great either. I'm also find it really hard to judge texture quality etc. based of those screenshots especially because (if they are real) its likely in development.

People somehow thinking that wow having the most news to announce at Blizzcon means that they are going to talk about a singular patch for retail and then.. What? Classic+ How does this logic work exactly?

I'm not against the idea of Avaloren being a patch area, but saying they won't announce an expansion is actually insane given what we've heard.

Agreed.

[NikolaiShade]

People somehow thinking that wow having the most news to announce at Blizzcon means that they are going to talk about a singular patch for retail and then.. What? Classic+ How does this logic work exactly?

I'm not against the idea of Avaloren being a patch area, but saying they won't announce an expansion is actually insane given what we've heard.

well they could show us slides of their summer holydays... that would be unexpected

[Marlamin]

People somehow thinking that wow having the most news to announce at Blizzcon means that they are going to talk about a singular patch for retail and then.. What? Classic+ How does this logic work exactly?

I'm not against the idea of Avaloren being a patch area, but saying they won't announce an expansion is actually insane given what we've heard.

I mean, we know based on the 11.0 preorder edition tender rewards that 11.0 pre-order should be out soon and in all likelihood during 10.1.7 (unless they push it a few days to 10.2), so not sure why people would assume no expansion is being announced. Arguably one of the biggest stretches of the hype thread so far and that's saying something.

[Ashapls]

How would people feel if both the binary and the screenshot leaks were real?

very apathetic.

[Nightshade711]

How would people feel if both the binary and the screenshot leaks were real?

Would be interesting. An broad Artificer class instead of a more limited Tinker class would be nice.
Though we’d still get people who will ask for tinker just like people ask for Dark Ranger.

[micwini]

I've thought of this too. Avaloren is patch 10.3.
A new expansion won't get announced. It will get announced sometime in the spring.

Look:

Legion release August 2016
BFA announce November 2017
GAP 15 months

BFA Release August 2018
Shadowlands announce November 2019
GAP 15 months

Shadowlands Release November 2020
Dragonflight announced April 2022
GAP 17 months

Dragonflight release November 2022
New Expansion announce November 2023
GAP less than 12 months

I mean DF got announced later than normal, which is why the gap is smaller and why the expansion was further along when first revealed than usual

[Vakir]

This somehow reminds me of when HotS (heart of the swarm) ending was leaked and nobody trusted it as it was an early asset (and 2 years before the expansion came out I think ?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMFRoklGP7c

Those people were as dumb as the people denying the Bolvar leak considering you could blatantly hear that Mengsk was being voiced by Metzen himself here as a placeholder.

How would people feel if both the binary and the screenshot leaks were real?

They seem incompatible unless "Avaloren" is another 4-5 zone continent, probably scaled back if there's a revamp.

[PotHockets]

I dunno why people act like expansions need to be sold on the highest tier of concept heirarchy.

If the trailer starts playing and the zones look sweet, or it has one vaguely interesting feature, or involves some vaguely interesting figures, the general playerbase isn't going to care that it's "omg just a random island again!!!"

It's a problem everywhere online because online communities are inherently circlejerks since you have to opt-in to participate but it's to the extreme on MMO-C and I really think half the people in here railing against the idea of the expansion just being an expansion or thinking that retail is a graveyard with no one playing because their one personal wishlist feature hasn't been added yet are deluding themselves. Could be wrong sure but the only people I've ever seen with those takes both irl and online are always the kind of people that quit playing 2+ expansions before the statements are made and have created some unachievable standard that WoW has to reach to quantify as anything half way close to good. Basically they're chasing something that will never happen and have convinced themselves that no one could possibly think like they do or have different tastes/expectations.

[mycooloriginal]

Opening Ceremony: Announcement of Warcraft 4. Everything that is media related is hidden to make it a surprise.

Warcraft 4
- Re-created style of RTS with new gameplay
- New Warcraft stories, aside from WoW timeline.
- Interactive maps, NPCs, Raid Bosses for resources
- New playable races and heroes
- Reusing a lot of assets from HotS

This will take the hype off of the mid WoW: Stormbreakers expansion for WoW.

[keelr]

I've thought of this too. Avaloren is patch 10.3.
A new expansion won't get announced. It will get announced sometime in the spring.

Look:

Legion release August 2016
BFA announce November 2017
GAP 15 months

BFA Release August 2018
Shadowlands announce November 2019
GAP 15 months

Shadowlands Release November 2020
Dragonflight announced April 2022
GAP 17 months

Dragonflight release November 2022
New Expansion announce November 2023
GAP less than 12 months

Also if there would be no announcement, they would have tell that beforehand. It would be a HUGE PR mistake to let ppl be super hyped for exp and then give them no reveal.

[kavikor]

Opening Ceremony: Announcement of Warcraft 4. Everything that is media related is hidden to make it a surprise.

Warcraft 4
- Re-created style of RTS with new gameplay
- New Warcraft stories, aside from WoW timeline.
- Interactive maps, NPCs, Raid Bosses for resources
- New playable races and heroes
- Reusing a lot of assets from HotS

This will take the hype off of the mid WoW: Stormbreakers expansion for WoW.

I sleep on this

[kydon1328]

There is a very compelling leak but its also depressing.

I haven't been here in a few hundred pages. What one?

[PotHockets]

Also if there would be no announcement, they would have tell that beforehand. It would be a HUGE PR mistake to let ppl be super hyped for exp and then give them no reveal.

Yeah they're never making the D4/Diablo Immortal mistake again. If they're hyping something up then they fully believe that it deserves that hype. It doesn't necessarily mean that what they have to announce is going to be something good but it's definitely something that they believe is worth the risk.

[FlemmMinis]

I schleep reading this