The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I prefer those days, honestly. Much more fun. Now, everyone just waits for the press leak and we're done with it. We wait for "the one."

Fair enough; certainly less room for speculation now, when there's such transparency about which is going to come true due to the excess detail and credibility of the leaks which wind up verified.

Didn't we pretty much just get the logo for DF? Along with a lot of confusion what it was about.

We also got the Dracthyr, a cinematic still, and the key art of Alexstrasza.

[Nymrohd]

We also got the Dracthyr, a cinematic still, and the key art of Alexstrasza.

Yeah we progressively got more and more of the press kit leaked.

[Ramz]

It also didnt really work for me and like I said.. rolling a zandalari was not so cool anymore for me.. altho Its still piece of lore that interest me, but I never liked how it was so obvious he had to go. The outcome of the raid was terrible, heroic move of Rastakahn, but damn I hated this so much. Next to Azshara he was my most anticipated character since vanilla. I had several discussions with people that were fair and pretty much all agreed on hes charisma, but I have mixed feelings about the whole incompetance thing, I always saw it as slacking/flawed. You can argue its a form of incompetance, but ruling an empire for that long is hardly luck. We dont know if Rezan was always there those years, but even he said the king needs a wake up call.

I am just mixed on this.

Talanji will never be as cool, literally impossible imo, I think we have to give it a rest. I have no hope in seeing him return. Not in the way I would like atleast. Zul, Rezan, Rastakahn were all very well done characters, we are left with the leftover called Talanji. I agree on Jaina, she should have died there. Her arrogance was over the top and her escape was plotarmor.

We luckily still have Vol'jin with the spirit of Rezan in the future, but ye its not the same.

I so agree. And luckily Rastakhan had lots of fans among Alliance players that were greatly upset that they had to fight him, when the only people these players wanted to take down were Sylvanas and Nathanos. I even knew one girl who always specced to healer during the fight because she never wanted to hurt Rastakhan xD.

Vol'Jin's death deeply upsetted me, to the point I didn't even bother with Legion. I wrote one big critique post typing down all the reasons why this idea is very bad on plenty of reasons and left.
And then when Blizzard reintroduced Zandalari it made me return. I was previously kinda "meh" on him as I saw his name to be silly, but then he immediately won me over and I just loved him. He is the most Zandalari of all the zandas available. He was beaming confidence, good spirit, glory and charisma, but he was flawed as well.
Death flags were annoying. He is the only NPC for which aging problem was invented, in same universe where Turalying was given +1000 years for a good morning back in the Legion.
And Rastakhan death hit me even more. What a waste! As if trolls didn't have enough painful blows. First, Zul'Jin, then Vol'Jin and now Rastakhan. Devs just can't help themselves from eradicating each established troll heroes.
And losing Rezan on top of that. I was hoping that Rezan would return like each Loa would, but then Shadowlands came.

This is a nightmare!
I also agree that Zul was a great character, and I saw his death as a waste. He could've shaken up some different narrative approach. But he was made to be blood slug worshipper, instead of remaining to be troll supremacist that is trying very hard to secure their place in the world, and does it the wrong way.

Talanji is just ok. First thing that rubbed me wrong was how narrative immediately favoured her, then she was written to be teenager where she doesn't really look or arc like one. I see no reason why she couldn't be over 30'ies. That's still young, but reasonably old and mature enough. And last but not least, she would look really bad if she was seen outside of Zandalar if it isn't absolute dire necessity. If they wanted to prop her up, the better option would be to simply send her over the world as her father's emissary and do what Zul wanted to do but in more diplomatic/effective way. But Bliz and other modern writers think that "girl boss" is the peak character objective. >.>

And I also agree that if Rastakhan was incompetent he would never last over 200 years on the throne. That is also one of my points.

[huth]

We also got the Dracthyr, a cinematic still, and the key art of Alexstrasza.

Still, pretty light on detail. We got way more detailed leaks in the early days, but less graphic.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

It didn't work for me, because he was gone almost instaly after being introduced. He literally lasted for one patch span. I wanted more of him, and you saying that Talanji election eventually lead nowhere is even bigger proof that this change was for nothing.
I'd rather if Fleet was destroyed but Jaina died. Jaina dying there would be better story for me.

I'm saying that it was a good set up that didn't pan out. We could say that in hindsight it would have just been better if he had lived since Talanji hasn't done much either, yet the problem is that with how the expansion played out it would have been the same, Rhastakhan just falling out of focus as Talanji did.

But the moment itself, the tragedy of a King cut short just as he was about to take the reins of his Empire back, leaving him only with his regrets, that worked.

Jaina's death wouldn't have done anything in terms of Rastakhan tho so I don't get the comment there.

[Hitei]

I prefer those days, honestly. Much more fun. Now, everyone just waits for the press leak and we're done with it. We wait for "the one."

Because there's no point in dealing with a(n unexaggerated) hundred fakes that are just random plot points extrapolated from what is currently happening in the story. Especially now that we've reached the stage where a good chunk of the original slew of regions and enemies that "needed to be dealt with" have been, so we're looking at increasingly secondary places (Undermine, other side of Azeroth, minor secondary planets, revamp, etc.) instead of a handful of large likelihood things.

[huth]

Nope. The catalyst is deactivated once the patch hits. There is a slight chance you can convert it once they reactivate the catalyst for 10.1 but i would not get my hopes up.

Edit: Nevermind. They activated in some ptr build. You can't use season 1 gear on the season 2 catalyst. Even the primalist gear doesn't work.

We’re also working to make it possible for players to convert Season 1 items for transmog purposes. This functionality, however, will be disabled for a few weeks as the Catalyst will be unavailable for a time, starting when Season 1 ends. Our goal is that players who are trying to use Season 1-level gear to get their Season 1 transmog set will only need an appropriate piece to convert. The cost will be free and players would not need to accumulate any kind of charges.

Well, there you have it.

[Sondrelk]

We’re also working to make it possible for players to convert Season 1 items for transmog purposes. This functionality, however, will be disabled for a few weeks as the Catalyst will be unavailable for a time, starting when Season 1 ends. Our goal is that players who are trying to use Season 1-level gear to get their Season 1 transmog set will only need an appropriate piece to convert. The cost will be free and players would not need to accumulate any kind of charges.

Well, there you have it.

That's good. The creation catalyst is easily one of the best solutions we have gotten for the issue of incomplete trabsmog sets. Would be a real shame if it's only active for the relevant season.

[Darkarath]

Good Creation Catalyst changes. As a set collector this is a very welcomed change for me.

I am also satisfied with Ion's interviews, he seems very happy with the team and WoW's situation, but no one had the balls to ask about the developers situation, or maybe Blizzard just did not allow them to ask that question.

Ion pretty much confirmed more classes for Dracthyr in 11.0, which is not surprising but still good to know. He even left the door open for Evoker being available to other races in the future, which I think that it is inevitable, just curious about the implementation.

Also cheers for the focus on account wide stuff, its about time. Hopefully they turn every past reputation and every achievement account wide (blue) rather than character independent. Most currencies should be account wide too, and they should not occupy a space in out inventory. Although there are so many of them that they could definitively clean them up a little bit.

[Nathanyel]

Well, there you have it.

Ah great, thank you!

The creation catalyst is easily one of the best solutions we have gotten for the issue of incomplete trabsmog sets. Would be a real shame if it's only active for the relevant season.

I've always wished for e.g. Heroic items to also unlock e.g. Normal and LFR appearances.

An alternative way, thinking back at Trial of Valor, would be to give endbosses a chance to drop Ensembles of their sets.
While Tier gear is class-bound, Ensembles unlock all lookalikes as well, so using the Druid one would unlock eligible lookalikes for the other Leather users.
Again, Heroic would drop the Heroic Ensemble, but also the Normal and LFR ones. I think ToV would drop the one for the current difficulty first, then the lower ones in later attempts.

This could also include an Arsenal for weapon appearances, and if deemed too easy for current content, only enabled for past expansions.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Because there's no point in dealing with a(n unexaggerated) hundred fakes that are just random plot points extrapolated from what is currently happening in the story. Especially now that we've reached the stage where a good chunk of the original slew of regions and enemies that "needed to be dealt with" have been, so we're looking at increasingly secondary places (Undermine, other side of Azeroth, minor secondary planets, revamp, etc.) instead of a handful of large likelihood things.

I would generally be inclined to agree, but then again, we had plenty of curveballs thrown our way long before now: consider WoD or MoP. Neither of those were precisely expected locales in the progression of expansions.

[Shadowferal]

I would generally be inclined to agree, but then again, we had plenty of curveballs thrown our way long before now: consider WoD or MoP. Neither of those were precisely expected locales in the progression of expansions.

MoP was a sudden turn and change of pace. I initially had doubts, but the amount of world-building erased those doubts. MoP was an expansion in every sense...and there in lies why I was so damn disappointed in WoD.

[Revamp Man]

No chromatus....so far not mentioned at least.
Which is a damn shame because he's so powerful he went toe to toe with multiple aspects

[Worldshaper]

Dang, this video just dropped a few bombs about upcoming lore...

https://youtu.be/Qo12dBwqNYQ

- Nozdormu and Muruzond story coming up, along with "evil Chromie" (Morchie, lol). Resolution of the story promised.
- Galakrond.
- Iridikron is up to something really naughty.
- Timeywimey badness guaranteed.
- Encrypted stuff going to talk about another dragonflight group in 10.1.

Based on how much time they spent on the Bronze here, it seems like it'll be in the megadungeon. Which is sweet as heck.

So I wonder what the megadungeon will look like.

It seems pretty obvious that the entrance is the one in the Temporal Conflux.

My guess is that we'll hop through time a bunch, a bit like when we chased after Chromie and that infinite dude?

One boss encounter could be ancient Galakrond, or alternatively he could be a penultimate boss before Muruzond, sort of like a risen Galakrond (or being resurrected).

[Varodoc]

The return of the Old Gods is all but confirmed and I obviously called it long ago.

Their minions Galakrond and Murozond will be dealt with, and so the Old Gods will return.

Since Galakrond and Murozond are mere puppets of the Old Ones, the return of their Eldritch Gods is inevitable.

[Darkarath]

We cannot say that they are not trying to get us back on board. WoWCAST video is pretty cool and they have the balls to tease us a lot about what is coming next (minute 41:00).

Cannot wait to see 10.1.5 because Galakrond and Murozond and evil Chromie are coming. Plus another Dragonflight that I am guessing that is the Infinite but who knows.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Dang, this video just dropped a few bombs about upcoming lore...

https://youtu.be/Qo12dBwqNYQ

- Nozdormu and Muruzond story coming up, along with "evil Chromie" (Morchie, lol). Resolution of the story promised.
- Galakrond.
- Iridikron is up to something really naughty.
- Timeywimey badness guaranteed.
- Encrypted stuff going to talk about another dragonflight group in 10.1.

Based on how much time they spent on the Bronze here, it seems like it'll be in the megadungeon. Which is sweet as heck.

I dunno if all of that will be in the megadungeon, maybe Fyrakk or whatever that incarnates name is that is a bit mindless(But thats his role and I am ok with it).

[Worldshaper]

The return of the Old Gods is all but confirmed and I obviously called it long ago.

Along with every sentient creature in the Milky Way Galaxy, and one small pebble somewhere on a beach in South Africa.

[Darkarath]

I dunno if all of that will be in the megadungeon, maybe Fyrakk or whatever that incarnates name is that is a bit mindless(But thats his role and I am ok with it).

I do not see Fyrakk being defeated in a megadungeon or in a quest. I think that the Incarnates will survive DF, not all of them, but at least one. Having Galakrond defeated in a megadungeon would be pretty weird too, so I wonder what the hell will they do with him.

[Varodoc]

Along with every sentient creature in the Milky Way Galaxy, and one small pebble somewhere on a beach in South Africa.

This is wrong, I was one of the very few people in this thread who knew the Old Gods would be involved in 10.0 even before Dragonflight was announced, while most of these guys were sure that the Old Gods would not be revisited until at least 11.0.