The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Dumb but I hope they use Soridormi just as much along Nozdormu, its his wife after all.

And maybe remember Anachronos

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In part I guess the Bronze flight story being resolved first makes sense. It is the bigger story so I expected it to be near the end but at the same time, Tyr's story cannot be resolved before the Bronze flight story so it cannot be the last story of the xpac; Tyr's data disk was cast in the timeways so we need to deal with the infinites first before we find it and Tyr's awakening should be the high point of the expansion's storyline given he'll put on his Captain exposition hat as soon as he can blink.

[Scyth]

How many patches are DF going to have?




I mean why we're having a "random" Drachtyr as the last boss in 10.1 if they will explore all this?

While I'm pleased that Murozond and Galakrond will show up, there'll be a ton of stuff happening simultaneously in 10.2 and 10.3 and we may end with another BFA scenario where we had too many short storylines with good characters.

Unless another of the two remaining Incarnates, Murozond, or Galakrond storylines culminate in a dungeon or questline there's no way they'll be featured in a raid with great cutscenes/cinematics. Another possibility is one of these guys being used like Gul'dan, and their storyline will spill into the next expac plot.

Very likely some of the Incarnates will surive I reckon. Or we fight 2 at the same time in any of the upcoming raids.

[Nymrohd]

Very likely some of the Incarnates will surive I reckon. Or we fight 2 at the same time in any of the upcoming raids.

There is always the possibility than Blizzard surprises us with a mini raid in 10.1.7 where we kill Fyrakk. If he does survive the patch, I do want him to team up with Vyranoth so we can get a double dragon fight

[Lahis]

Dumb but I hope they use Soridormi just as much along Nozdormu, its his wife after all.

Nah. Only characters from Bronze flight are Nozdormu and Chromie.

Other dragons might have names, but they have never made them into characters.

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Very likely some of the Incarnates will surive I reckon. Or we fight 2 at the same time in any of the upcoming raids.

Fyrakk dies in megadungeon, Iridikron is the last boss of the expansion.

Vyranoth switches sides and becomes Primal/Protodrake Aspect.

[Nymrohd]

Nah. Only characters from Bronze flight are Nozdormu and Chromie.

Other dragons might have names, but they have never made them into characters.

How so? Anachronos was a major quest NPC in vanilla with his involvement in the War of the Shifting Sands and Soridormi has a decent amount of interaction, both with the Vials questline as well as with Kairoz possibly killing her.

[Nathanyel]

Nah. Only characters from Bronze flight are Nozdormu and Chromie.

Other dragons might have names, but they have never made them into characters.

Technically the same for the Reds.
Alexstrasza is quite overbearing as a character.
There's a deceased Krasus and new characters like Selistra, others are mentioned or even have an NPC, but none quite as established.

For the Greens, non-leader ones we mostly know for being Nightmare-corrupted.

The Black Flight was, as far as we knew, reduced to Wrathion and Ebyssian until Dragonflight (since we didn't hear drom Sabellian, it had to be assumed that Wrathion sent someone else to kill him)

Only the Blues had several notable questgivers, because the individuals had to fend for themselves during Malygos's catatonic state.

[Nymrohd]

Technically the same for the Reds.
Alexstrasza is quite overbearing as a character.
There's a deceased Krasus and new characters like Selistra, others are mentioned or even have an NPC, but none quite as established.

For the Greens, non-leader ones we mostly know for being Nightmare-corrupted.

The Black Flight was, as far as we knew, reduced to Wrathion and Ebyssian until Dragonflight (since we didn't hear drom Sabellian, it had to be assumed that Wrathion sent someone else to kill him)

Only the Blues had several notable questgivers, because the individuals had to fend for themselves during Malygos's catatonic state.

The Greens have Itharius and Valithra who can at any point get promoted.
Reds are indeed in the worst shape. They introduced Selistra but then forgot about her and gave her after the zone and have only given her a few voice overs in World Quests when she could have made a more lasting impression; they don't even have her show up in Valdrakken; she is after all the major domo of Alexstrasza and Alex is in Valdrakken.

[Scyth]

There is always the possibility than Blizzard surprises us with a mini raid in 10.1.7 where we kill Fyrakk. If he does survive the patch, I do want him to team up with Vyranoth so we can get a double dragon fight

It's also possible we don't get to fight them all and Iridikron consumes one of them or both, although I sincerely hope not lol

[Nymrohd]

It's also possible we don't get to fight them all and Iridikron consumes one of them or both, although I sincerely hope not lol

I still think it would have set a much better tone if Iridikron had eaten Raszageth's corpse as soon as he was out.

[huth]

I mean why we're having a "random" Drachtyr as the last boss in 10.1 if they will explore all this?

What else are they going to use for a Black Flight related raid? Black Dragons have no villainous members and not many of them to begin with currently.

And Sarkareth has been build up for this since the Dracthyr starting zone, so he's hardly "random" either. Having Fryakk randomly saunter in and attack us for no particular reason other than "i was in the area" wouldn't be better either.

[Varodoc]

How many patches are DF going to have?




I mean why we're having a "random" Drachtyr as the last boss in 10.1 if they will explore all this?

While I'm pleased that Murozond and Galakrond will show up, there'll be a ton of stuff happening simultaneously in 10.2 and 10.3 and we may end with another BFA scenario where we had too many short storylines with good characters.

Unless another of the two remaining Incarnates, Murozond, or Galakrond storylines culminate in a dungeon or questline there's no way they'll be featured in a raid with great cutscenes/cinematics. Another possibility is one of these guys being used like Gul'dan, and their storyline will spill into the next expac plot.

Sylvanas was never a good character though, which is why BfA failed. They forced N'Zoth and Azshara (actual well-written villains) to share the spotlight with a dogshit nonsense villain like Sylvanas.

Furthermore, Sylvanas had nothing to do with the Old God plotline.

Meanwhile, Murozond, Galakrond, and Iridrikon are all connected by virtue of the fact that they are all minions of the Old Gods. And it is painfully obvious that the Primalists are just doing the Old Gods' bidding (hmm, I wonder who would be interested in attacking the Emerald Dream or cleansing Azeroth of the Titans' influence...).

So, unlike BfA, there is only one storyline in the spotlight here, the only one that matters.

[Dracullus]

What else are they going to use for a Black Flight related raid? Black Dragons have no villainous members and not many of them to begin with currently.

And Sarkareth has been build up for this since the Dracthyr starting zone, so he's hardly "random" either. Having Fryakk randomly saunter in and attack us for no particular reason other than "i was in the area" wouldn't be better either.

I don't think it has anything with lore, imo they just want avoid 4 primal dragon end raid bosses. But Fyrakk is for sure one of main villains and focus of this patch. I don't think he will survive to see 10.2. Maybe it will be campaign (kinda weird to see Fyrakk invasion if he dies early this patch thought), maybe megadungeon, maybe something different.

I'm not sure if Vyranoth will be boss of 10.2 raid either. That Vakthros tower looks for perfect spot for her instance and 2nd dungeon in some 2024 patch is not out of picture.

[Murlocos]

If 10.0.7 is any standard to follow, the x.0.7 patches will do a good job of giving the story a moment to breathe, review what just happened and set up what's coming next. BfA was a total hodgepodge of different plotlines with minimal connective tissue that never had any chance to breathe on their own. The faction war was the sales pitch for the expansion, and in 8.2 the consequences of the previous two patches are effectively cast aside in favor of the N'zoth storyline, with the faction war finally ending in an anti-climax that tells you to buy the next expansion and don't bother thinking about anything that happened that expansion.

I expect they'll probably put in some more story content for 10.1.5 as well this time around.

[huth]

I don't think it has anything with lore, imo they just want avoid 4 primal dragon end raid bosses. But Fyrakk is for sure one of main villains and focus of this patch. I don't think he will survive to see 10.2. Maybe it will be campaign (kinda weird to see Fyrakk invasion if he dies early this patch thought), maybe megadungeon, maybe something different.

I'm not sure if Vyranoth will be boss of 10.2 raid either. That Vakthros tower looks for perfect spot for her instance and 2nd dungeon in some 2024 patch is not out of picture.

Fyrakk isn't really interested in Aberrus though. And Vakthros tower looks like a poor spot for an instance. There's not really much of anything there. It's just one small tower on top of a mountain with a few broken walls around.

[Nymrohd]

Fyrakk isn't really interested in Aberrus though. And Vakthros tower looks like a poor spot for an instance. There's not really much of anything there. It's just one small tower on top of a mountain with a few broken walls around.

Blue dragons know how to create extradimensional space though. Vakthros could e.g. be the central hub of a prison system.

[huth]

Blue dragons know how to create extradimensional space though. Vakthros could e.g. be the central hub of a prison system.

Meh, that's to much predicated on there not being any outwardly visible signs of it. Which really just means you could put that anywhere you want, not that there's anything special to Vakthros.

[Nymrohd]

Meh, that's to much predicated on there not being any outwardly visible signs of it. Which really just means you could put that anywhere you want, not that there's anything special to Vakthros.

Or we could go with what Karazhan did and have it make us tiny!

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Or we could go with what Karazhan did and have it make us tiny!

At least do something with it. If Dragonflight ends after all the major content patches and Vak'thros is just...there. its a wasted opportunity.

[Nymrohd]

At least do something with it. If Dragonflight ends after all the major content patches and Vak'thros is just...there. its a wasted opportunity.

I mean they need to resolve the Azure Span plot because we still don't know why Razsageth attacked this location directly instead of e.g. the dream gate in the Plains.

[Makabreska]

I mean they need to resolve the Azure Span plot because we still don't know why Razsageth attacked this location directly instead of e.g. the dream gate in the Plains.

Maybe Dream gate is not that less important, but she wasn't attacking it becasue a) she can't be in all places at once, and b) putting her in every zone would make her too obnoxious and illogical (like with Lich King constantly letting us live).