The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Woggmer]

It would make me wonder what the point of the first time skip was, because virtually nothing happened in it. Actually, it'll be even more hilarious if we get up to like 4-5 years in-game where the entire world feels like it's frozen in time.

This is what happens when there's virtually no conflict or faction tension going on... Time just progresses, nothing major happens, the only major thing that happened was a wedding... and even then Kurog Grimtotem actually crashed the wedding in order to set up DF.

[Keyalios]

What powers of the dragons are they missing? They have all 5.

And no, Blizzard said plainly that due to technical reasons they went with the Dracthyr.

Blizz can say it all they want. They’ve said many things in the past. Doesn’t make it the truth.

Having powers of dragons doesn’t make them dragons. Someone having the ability to be a mage doesn’t make them a mage. Dracthyr were a stupid idea. Fun to play but nothing like what I wanted.

Again, Mok’thal or however you spell it. Rexxar. Is he an orc? An ogre? Of course not.

[Luck4]

If none of the supposed leaks turn out to be true tomorrow, this will be the best Blizzcon.

The very first leakproof Blizzcon.

[PFKlax]

Hi friends

just saw the 10.2 raid finale previewed on the main stage. fyrakk has a 'if i'm going down you are going down with me' moment, he uses his axe (i forget its name, flamemourne, you know the one, but it has that shadowflame look to it here) to open all sorts of rifts to various wacky looking places, then he seems to charge up before imploding in a big explosion, but vyranoth casts a frost nova of sorts to save the tree, and saves the heroes aswell, all that remains after is the axe laying on the ground and portals close around the 'boss room'. alexstrazsa embraces vyranoth and they turn their back to the axe,and everyone begins to walk away, and we see one portal flicker in the background, as if it wasn't fully closed and right before the cinematic ends abruptly you see a pair of yellow eyes in the portal. that is it.

This is exactly what I was speculating about back on page 2495. I believe it!

[Teriz]

And then canon lore came out that said otherwise.

Canon lore that can change and be altered at any time. Again, Blizzard said they're playable dragons, and that's what they are. You still haven't come up with any mechanical reason why they're not dragons. All you have is "lore" that is used as window-dressing to justify their physical difference from the building sized dragons we can't play as due to technical limitations.

[Samin]

It feels like we have yet to see the effects of the first time skip they did. I still don't understand why they did that when it barely made any difference.

If they do another time skip, that's fine by me. Just a bit confused by the point of the first one.

I thought it was mostly to justify why things were already so relatively setup on the Dragon Isles. But honestly I'm still kinda dubious what exactly was going on on the Dragon Isles before the dragons returned (pretty sure it wasn't actually a sleeping beauty or frozen time scenario)

[Varodoc]

Another reason why Khaz Algar will be the next expansion, and another bonus point for "Shadow Over Azeroth" leak:

The Dwarves/Earthen are the only Major race left that still don't have a continent themed after them.

Humans have Kul Tiras, Orcs Draenor, Elves the Broken Isles, Undead Northrend, Trolls Zandalar.

The Dwarves/Earthen currently don't have a continent that seeped in their lore and flowing with their aesthetic.

So Khaz Algar/Underground will be the next continent and heavily feature Dwarven/Earthen lore and aesthetics.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Blizzard says word for word that they are dragons.

And as blizzard has always operated new lore is canon over old lore, and as of the latest piece of lore on them they are no longer dragons.

[Echil46]

It's only 1PM in California, I'd expect the real leaks to happen mid-afternoon to early evening given they're probably setting the merch up around that time, so still a few hours to go.
Above that, I don't know... I'd be surprised and impressed if Blizzard really manages a no-leak expac announcement this year.

Either they kept it really close, or no one thought it'd be worth leaking.
Or it already has been leaked, and we dismissed it thinking it couldnt be real.

Dunno what's worse.

[Cheezits]

Hi friends

just saw the 10.2 raid finale previewed on the main stage. fyrakk has a 'if i'm going down you are going down with me' moment, he uses his axe (i forget its name, flamemourne, you know the one, but it has that shadowflame look to it here) to open all sorts of rifts to various wacky looking places, then he seems to charge up before imploding in a big explosion, but vyranoth casts a frost nova of sorts to save the tree, and saves the heroes aswell, all that remains after is the axe laying on the ground and portals close around the 'boss room'. alexstrazsa embraces vyranoth and they turn their back to the axe,and everyone begins to walk away, and we see one portal flicker in the background, as if it wasn't fully closed and right before the cinematic ends abruptly you see a pair of yellow eyes in the portal. that is it.

Why would they show the end of the raid before it opens in two weeks? Fake lol

[doledippers]

Hi friends

just saw the 10.2 raid finale previewed on the main stage. fyrakk has a 'if i'm going down you are going down with me' moment, he uses his axe (i forget its name, flamemourne, you know the one, but it has that shadowflame look to it here) to open all sorts of rifts to various wacky looking places, then he seems to charge up before imploding in a big explosion, but vyranoth casts a frost nova of sorts to save the tree, and saves the heroes aswell, all that remains after is the axe laying on the ground and portals close around the 'boss room'. alexstrazsa embraces vyranoth and they turn their back to the axe,and everyone begins to walk away, and we see one portal flicker in the background, as if it wasn't fully closed and right before the cinematic ends abruptly you see a pair of yellow eyes in the portal. that is it.

why would they be showing the 10.2 raid cinematic on the main stage a day before blizzcon lol

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Canon lore that can change and be altered at any time. Again, Blizzard said they're playable dragons, and that's what they are. You still haven't come up with any mechanical reason why they're not dragons. All you have is "lore" that is used as window-dressing to justify their physical difference from the building sized dragons we can't play as due to technical limitations.

The lore can be changed at any time, but until it is they aren’t dragons.

[Keyalios]

Hi friends

just saw the 10.2 raid finale previewed on the main stage. fyrakk has a 'if i'm going down you are going down with me' moment, he uses his axe (i forget its name, flamemourne, you know the one, but it has that shadowflame look to it here) to open all sorts of rifts to various wacky looking places, then he seems to charge up before imploding in a big explosion, but vyranoth casts a frost nova of sorts to save the tree, and saves the heroes aswell, all that remains after is the axe laying on the ground and portals close around the 'boss room'. alexstrazsa embraces vyranoth and they turn their back to the axe,and everyone begins to walk away, and we see one portal flicker in the background, as if it wasn't fully closed and right before the cinematic ends abruptly you see a pair of yellow eyes in the portal. that is it.

If this is true I’m excited NGL. Please Naga and Queen Azshara. Naga Artificers could be fun considering they have to figure out how to live in the depths.

[Polybius]

It feels like we have yet to see the effects of the first time skip they did. I still don't understand why they did that when it barely made any difference.

If they do another time skip, that's fine by me. Just a bit confused by the point of the first one.

To marry Lorthemar and Thalyssra, uwu. The skip is even bigger if you include SL.

[Teriz]

Blizz can say it all they want. They’ve said many things in the past. Doesn’t make it the truth.

Having powers of dragons doesn’t make them dragons. Someone having the ability to be a mage doesn’t make them a mage. Dracthyr were a stupid idea. Fun to play but nothing like what I wanted.

Uh if you're a class in WoW and have all the powers of a mage, then yes you're a mage. If you're a race/class in WoW with all the powers of a dragon, then yeah you're a dragon.

[Nightshade711]

Blizzard says word for word that they are dragons.

Except in the announcement where they call them a “Drakonid, Draconic race” and very specifically call them “Draconic humanoids” instead of “dragons” but you forget about that.
Or the quick start guide on Dracthyr…

& the canon lore from Zaralek/Aberrus, etc that shows they’re more Drakonid than dragon. (Hell one of the proto-Dracthyr is a straight up Drakonid too)

Besides nowhere does it say they’re actual dragons. Even Wowpedia/wowwiki makes that distinction.

[Mrpms]

This is what happens when there's virtually no conflict or faction tension going on... Time just progresses, nothing major happens, the only major thing that happened was a wedding... and even then Kurog Grimtotem actually crashed the wedding in order to set up DF.

Exactly, it's okay for the world to not be yo-yo-ing from one threat to another. Gilneas going back to the Worgen, Night Elves relocating to Amirdrissil, Forsaken making endways on rebuilding Lordaeron.

[Keyalios]

Canon lore that can change and be altered at any time. Again, Blizzard said they're playable dragons, and that's what they are. You still haven't come up with any mechanical reason why they're not dragons. All you have is "lore" that is used as window-dressing to justify their physical difference from the building sized dragons we can't play as due to technical limitations.

Dragons in game and out of game say they aren’t dragons… it can’t be much clearer.

[ZyntosAran]

damn. I am addicted to Rumble.
Its a damn fun game. Really good to fill the time until we finally know if these 4 screenshots are real and we can all cry.

[Teriz]

The lore can be changed at any time, but until it is they aren’t dragons.

We don't play the lore, we play the game via gameplay. Explain how gameplay wise the Dracthyr evoker is not a dragon.

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Dragons in game and out of game say they aren’t dragons… it can’t be much clearer.

And it's a contradiction from the developer (you know, the creators of the game) who said otherwise.