The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Keyalios]

We don't play the lore, we play the game via gameplay. Explain how gameplay wise the Dracthyr evoker is not a dragon.

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And it's a contradiction from the developer (you know, the creators of the game) who said otherwise.

Evidence and canon in game and in books is going to trump one comment from a blue. Even in a Q&A. If a blue says Azerothhas a green sky but we see a blue one Azeroth doesn’t have a green sky.

[Woggmer]

Exactly, it's okay for the world to not be yo-yo-ing from one threat to another. Gilneas going back to the Worgen, Night Elves relocating to Amirdrissil, Forsaken making endways on rebuilding Lordaeron.

And that would be fine if the game actually shows this progress happening, but it is annoying when none of it actually happens or we have to "imagine" it happening.

[NoTimeToDie5426]

Once again ignoring Rexxar.

The ability to use powers doesn’t mean you are a mage. You can merge them and be a lock. You can be a spellblade. Greens and Blues have their powers used by mages.

If anything using all five makes them NOT dragons because no dragon can do that.

Hey listen, we agree with you, this maniac is arguing for the sake of arguing cause he has nothing better to do. Simply ignore him.

[Nightshade711]

Hey listen, we agree with you, this maniac is arguing for the sake of arguing cause he has nothing better to do. Simply ignore him.

He’s the only one clinging to the “Dracthyr are dragons” (despite literally everything saying otherwise) because he “made” a class concept for playable dragons and he has to be right.

[Villager720]

damn. I am addicted to Rumble.
Its a damn fun game. Really good to fill the time until we finally know if these 4 screenshots are real and we can all cry.

Those zone screenshots are not real.
We've never seen a "new" zone comprised of mostly reused assets and if the leaker had the features trailer, why reveal boring zones instead of towns/cities/the logo?

[Mrpms]

Wouldn't it just be easier to call Dracthyr Dragonkin, as they aren't fully dragons but are closely related? Seems like a silly argument for the sake of arguing.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We don't play the lore, we play the game via gameplay. Explain how gameplay wise the Dracthyr evoker is not a dragon.

They don’t have an enrage timer, they don’t reset if you try and spawn them out of the room they spawn in, ect.

If you want to say game play determines what they are then they still Can’t be dragons as game play wise all dragons in combat are raid/dungeon bosses are the playable class isn’t.

[Keyalios]

Hey listen, we agree with you, this maniac is arguing for the sake of arguing cause he has nothing better to do. Simply ignore him.

Fair enough I only come here on new expansion eve’s by and large so… yeah sorry about that.

[Cheezits]

Uh why would Algari and Agg'ora be the main new races and Vrykul and Tanuka come later as allied races? Wouldn’t Blizzard make the far more popular races the actual new races for the expansion since races we’ve actually seen in the game and have a following would be more of an incentive to buy the expansion?

Also has Blizzaed ever made an unseen race into a playable race in the history of WoW?

Void Elf, Draenei (technically) and Dracthyr were introduced in the patches that made them playable. Nightborne, HMT, Mechagnomes, Vulpera and LFD were introduced in the expansions that made them playable.

[Teriz]

Except in the announcement where they call them a “Drakonid, Draconic race” and very specifically call them “Draconic humanoids” instead of “dragons” but you forget about that.
Or the quick start guide on Dracthyr…

& the canon lore from Zaralek/Aberrus, etc that shows they’re more Drakonid than dragon. (Hell one of the proto-Dracthyr is a straight up Drakonid too)

Besides nowhere does it say they’re actual dragons.

Dragonflight introduces a new race and class in one known as the dracthyr Evoker, allowing players to play as a dragon (one that can still fit in a raid without crushing your allies.)

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com...ight-deep-dive

With that said, what mechanically makes them not dragons?

[lostsoup]

Wouldn't it just be easier to call Dracthyr Dragonkin, as they aren't fully dragons but are closely related? Seems like a silly argument for the sake of arguing.

An NPC in Valdrakken does actually call you a Dragonkin if you talk to him on an Evoker. So... yeah, they're Dragonkin, not Dragons.

[Musta]

I hope every leak so far is fake

[lostsoup]

I hope every leak so far is fake

I hope you're fake

[Polybius]

Wouldn't it just be easier to call Dracthyr Dragonkin, as they aren't fully dragons but are closely related? Seems like a silly argument for the sake of arguing.

Yes, it’s easier, but we love complicating our lives to push the page count to 3,000.

[Cheezits]

The dragon argument is so stupid. When Blizzard says they are a dragon its not a ERM ACKSHUALLY thing, its because a normal person sees them and says "dragon".

They are Draconic, Dragonkin, etc ingame. But for all intents in purposes they are funny dragons that walk on two legs.

[kavikor]

On page 3000 we will know the true leak.

[Teriz]

Void Elf, Draenei (technically) and Dracthyr were introduced in the patches that made them playable. Nightborne and LFD were introduced in the expansions that made them playable.

Draenei and Dracthyr have already been explained. The rest are allied races.

Again the other problem is that if Khaz Algar is the main city of the next expansion, having Algarians (not Algari) as an Alliance race would be a problem, unless the Horde simply isn't going to get to explore Khaz Algar.

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An NPC in Valdrakken does actually call you a Dragonkin if you talk to him on an Evoker. So... yeah, they're Dragonkin, not Dragons.

Dragons are also Dragonkin.

[Stonecloak]

I hope you're fake

Some of the convo in here does look rather automated. Perhaps there are some fake chatters here.

[milkmustache]

The dragon argument is so stupid. When Blizzard says they are a dragon its not a ERM ACKSHUALLY thing, its because a normal person sees them and says "dragon".

They are Draconic, Dragonkin, etc ingame. But for all intents in purposes they are funny dragons that walk on two legs.

I mean.. the main source of the argument is all you need to understand why there is even an arguement. ERM ACKSHUALLY personified

[Nightshade711]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com...ight-deep-dive

With that said, what mechanically makes them not dragons?

I can pull up plenty of other quotes, even in the same interview I think, where they say “we couldn’t let players play as dragons so we made a draconic humanoid race”

There’s still 0 lore stating anything about the Dracthyr being actual dragons and substantially more saying they’re not so you’re just wrong. And the only one with that view.

But regardless this is off topic from the main topic.