The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Fahrad Wagner]

Well, heading to bed. Time to go to bed at almost 9 AM, just to wake up at 18:00 to just about get ready and order food for the Opening Ceremony. I sincerely hope that we DON'T get any Leaks until then and while I have some favorites, I kind of also hope that none of what we've read over the last (almost) 2600 Pages is actually accurate, so we can mark this Season down as the first (?) blind announcement since forever.

Sweet dreams friend, we will keep our eyes peeled during your slumber

[Hitei]

Very true, but I meant Titans as a faction. So Titan-aligned species like Algalon, Titan creations, and the Titans themselves. They all share similar directives.

Right, but there's an important distinction there, because the Titans (or "their forces") did not decide to change their mind. Algalon, a person who effectively works for the Titans as a private contractor, decided we had potential, disobeyed normal protocol and even falsified a report ("All clear, everything's fine!") to the Titan infrastructure.

[Joszef Kiprich]

The "Somehow" made me think of Star Wars meme "Somehow Palpatine returned", so I just made this :3

https://starwarsintrocreator.kassell...iMsTBjK91POJLw

Damn it, you got me sobbing again...
Ocho, forever in my heart.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Damn it, you got me sobbing again...
Ocho, forever in my heart.

Our little angel ♥

[Wangming]

My tier list of leaks
S
Binary dude leak. Artificer, Xaltath and Nzoth, Revamp, Path of Titans

A
Shadow over azeroth. Shaman tank, fun story, Sargeras and Ilidan, Heart of Azeroth

B
Every other leak involving Revamp

Dogshit tier
4 screen shots and web page screenshot

I like this list. I pretty much feel the same way.

[Myrrh]

I think perspective is important for the Titans as well. Think about Algalon’s POV. You have watched millions of worlds fall prey to the horrors of the universe.

You come to Azeroth and see: Ulduar Breached, Keepers Corrupted, Old Gods Free, Agents of the Burning Legion active, and a new threat in the Scourge. Not to mention all those factions were warring against one another while the champions of Azeroth squabble too.

Reorganization is a very sane response. All things considered, he was pretty reasonable when the champions of Azeroth proved we could defend our world.

I mean, perspective is the name of the game yes. They're not evil, but they're not strictly 'the good guys' either. They have a very different perspective than mortals, and as beings of Order their actions are ultimately governed by logic. Algalon, while only a servant of the titans, is super interesting because he is driven to look past that cold hard logic directive embedded in his existence and realise 'well shit, I was personally responsible for snuffing out untold millions of lives that might have been like these guys. fuck.'

The over sharpened, over saturated click bait look is something I despise, but I'd rather watch Bell than T&E.

I don't mind T&E but yeah, wouldn't actively watch. Once in a blue moon I click on a Bell video and another small light inside me flickers out while I ponder what leads me to make the choices that I do.

[Fahrad Wagner]

My tier list of leaks
S
Binary dude leak. Artificer, Xaltath and Nzoth, Revamp, Path of Titans

A
Shadow over azeroth. Shaman tank, fun story, Sargeras and Ilidan, Heart of Azeroth

B
Every other leak involving Revamp

Dogshit tier
4 screen shots and web page screenshot

I couldn't agree more!

[justwatching]

I think perspective is important for the Titans as well. Think about Alagalon’s POV. You have watched millions of worlds fall prey to the horrors of the universe.

You come to Azeroth and see: Ulduar Breached, Keepers Corrupted, Old Gods Free, Agents of the Burning Legion active, and a new threat in the Scourge. Not to mention all those factions were warring against one another while the champions of Azeroth squabble too.

Reorganization is a very sane response. All things considered, he was pretty reasonable when the champions of Azeroth proved we could defend our world.



I thought they usually run other events concurrently like e-sports with announcements. Was the streamer event meant to be main stage as well?

No but the way they scheduled them is they seem to lead into the respective panel...for example the Classic streamers are streaming with 5 Classic devs right before the classic panel.
Obviously doesnt have to mean anything but its just a gut feeling. In 2019 they just had Placeholder panel names..also announcing Odyssey makes way more sense next year(it got pushed) as they wont have a wow expansion to announce next year.

[blaatschaap]

I've been waiting for shaman tank since vanilla. I can't believe they never added it in the previous 9 expansions

[Fahrad Wagner]

I sense... a 'splosion of leaks today! It's coming my friends

[Merryck]

I mean, perspective is the name of the game yes. They're not evil, but they're not strictly 'the good guys' either. They have a very different perspective than mortals, and as beings of Order their actions are ultimately governed by logic. Algalon, while only a servant of the titans, is super interesting because he is driven to look past that cold hard logic directive embedded in his existence and realise 'well shit, I was personally responsible for snuffing out untold millions of lives that might have been like these guys. fuck.'



I don't mind T&E but yeah, wouldn't actively watch. Once in a blue moon I click on a Bell video and another small light inside me flickers out while I ponder what leads me to make the choices that I do.

Those untold millions frankly had a skill issue.

[Beerplz]

What if.. the reason we are not getting any leaks is they are just gonna call the next expanson..World of Warcraft. Nothing after it lmao

[Akatsui]

I sense... a 'splosion of leaks today! It's coming my friends

I lowkey hope none of the leaks were right and we get completely swept by Blizzard haha

[Fahrad Wagner]

I've been waiting for shaman tank since vanilla. I can't believe they never added it in the previous 9 expansions

Honestly, shaman tank would make so much sense to me. Revamp shaman and focus with one spec per element.

Elemental - DPS - Fire + Thunder similar to what they do in ATLA with the firebenders)
Restauration - Healer - Water
Enhancement - Support - Air
Earthwarden - Tank - Earth

[Wangming]

Damn it, you got me sobbing again...
Ocho, forever in my heart.

Gone, but not forgotten. Never forgotten.

[Myrrh]

Those untold millions frankly had a skill issue.

Clearly should have pressed Divine Shield when faced with the giant reorigination laser.

[Itsgotime]

Right, but there's an important distinction there, because the Titans (or "their forces") did not decide to change their mind. Algalon, a person who effectively works for the Titans as a private contractor, decided we had potential, disobeyed normal protocol and even falsified a report ("All clear, everything's fine!") to the Titan infrastructure.

I don’t see it as disobeying though. It was within Algalon’s jurisdiction, and he felt we were capable. Azeroth was a unique case, we proved we could defend ourselves. The Titans were “dead” at this time and thus did not have access to this new knowledge. Even then, I doubt they would have disagreed. They quickly sided with us in Legion. Not to mention all the Titan Constructs, like Tyr, who have aided mortals over the centuries.

[Selorian]

I think perspective is important for the Titans as well. Think about Alagalon’s POV. You have watched millions of worlds fall prey to the horrors of the universe.

You come to Azeroth and see: Ulduar Breached, Keepers Corrupted, Old Gods Free, Agents of the Burning Legion active, and a new threat in the Scourge. Not to mention all those factions were warring against one another while the champions of Azeroth squabble too.

Reorganization is a very sane response. All things considered, he was pretty reasonable when the champions of Azeroth proved we could defend our world.

This is a heavy misinterpretation of the Algalon encounter.

It is in the universe's best interest to re-originate this planet should my analysis find systemic corruption. Do not interfere.

Your actions are illogical. All possible results for this encounter have been calculated. The Pantheon will receive the Observer's message regardless of outcome.

See your world through my eyes: A universe so vast as to be immeasurable - incomprehensible even to your greatest minds.

The initial decision to reoriginate Azeroth has nothing to do with the "horrors of the universe," it's an allegedly objective look at how things are, disregarding what the people living there actually want. We are essentially ants to him. Things like the faction conflict don't matter at all because we are too insignificant.

I have seen worlds bathed in the Makers' flames, their denizens fading without so much as a whimper. Entire planetary systems born and razed in the time that it takes your mortal hearts to beat once. Yet all throughout, my own heart devoid of emotion... of empathy. I. Have. Felt. Nothing. A million-million lives wasted. Had they all held within them your tenacity? Had they all loved life as you do?
Perhaps it is your imperfections... that which grants you free will... that allows you to persevere against all cosmically calculated odds. You prevail where the Titan's own perfect creations have failed.
I've rearranged the reply code - your planet will be spared. I cannot be certain of my own calculations anymore.

But then when he is defeated, he has a passionate monologue about how this entire time, he had been ignoring what the people living there actually wanted. He literally says his calculations--which the Titans consider good enough to exterminate all life on a planet--cannot be considered reliable anymore. It's only after the mortal races fight for their lives against him that he even begins to consider what we want. It has nothing to do with proving our strength

Reorigination is only a sane response if you don't consider the lives of the people on Azeroth relevant, which makes sense for beings on a cosmic level. However, as the player characters, mortals who live on Azezroth and would have everything they ever loved wiped out, this is far more terrifying than any of the horrors you listed. And that makes the Titans' goals and methods incompatible with ours.

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I don’t see it as disobeying though. It was within Algalon’s jurisdiction, and he felt we were capable. Azeroth was a unique case, we proved we could defend ourselves. The Titans were “dead” at this time and thus did not have access to this new knowledge. Even then, I doubt they would have disagreed. They quickly sided with us in Legion. Not to mention all the Titan Constructs, like Tyr, who have aided mortals over the centuries.

Azeroth is explicitly NOT unique, as part of Algalon's breakdown in his defeat dialogue is he realizes that everyone on planets where he did go through with reorigination also likely felt the same as us--they love life. At no point does ability come into it.

[whoisqnx]

new leak just in!
Fast and Warcraft
The expansion starts off with all the main characters scattered around the world enjoying their life but Khadgar gets a phonecall from someone mysterious about a looming threat. He quickly gathers other legendary characters and us the heroes. In a matter of seconds, we are on a different part of the world, equipped to the teeth with the best armor, weapons, magic.

We manage to defeat this new threat with ease and without a single drop of blood and Khadgar invites us to a BBQ party on top of Karazhan.
Time to wait for the 12.0

[Fahrad Wagner]

new leak just in!
Fast and Warcraft
The expansion starts off with all the main characters scattered around the world enjoying their life but Khadgar gets a phonecall from someone mysterious about a looming threat. He quickly gathers other legendary characters and us the heroes. In a matter of seconds, we are on a different part of the world, equipped to the teeth with the best armor, weapons, magic.

We manage to defeat this new threat with ease and without a single drop of blood and Khadgar invites us to a BBQ party on top of Karazhan.
Time to wait for the 12.0

zoom zoom motherduckers, we're going fast for 11.0