The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Well, there's also the possibility that this is more of a unrelated thing. Or maybe it's connected to the fact that the Naga are messing about on the Forbidden Isle. They'd certainly be interested in grottos.

Yeah it absolutely could be just a case of random descriptive word. Though it is a weird pick for a netherdrake.

[huth]

Yeah it absolutely could be just a case of random descriptive word. Though it is a weird pick for a netherdrake.

I'm thinking more that the Drake itself isn't directly related to any major story. If they want to keep Dragonriding longterm, doing that would make sense.

[Shadochi]

I got a ping here since the first post got edited by mod, and decided I shall be active again. What are everyones hope for a megadungeon?
The datamining IMO points more towards the Mega Dungeon being Emerald Dream related than 10.2

[Fahrad Wagner]

I got a ping here since the first post got edited by mod, and decided I shall be active again. What are everyones hope for a megadungeon?
The datamining IMO points more towards the Mega Dungeon being Emerald Dream related than 10.2

Welcome back brother! So far we've been speculating Timeways & Bronze Dragonflight / Vakthros or Emerald Dream as a potential megadungeon for 10.1.5 On my side I'm hoping for some timey-wimey stuff involving Nozdormu, Chromie, and Ancient Azeroth!

[Revamp Man]

Mega dungeon is fyrakk and crowning new aspects via the new tree
Merithra will be the green aspect
Sabellian and wrathion will be the black aspects (something to do with wrathion being titan forged probably)
I say no ebyssian because dude's Hella sus

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Ebyssian is so suss he took a spear designed to kill dragons. Right >.> Also interesting that an incarnate is basically corrupted much like one Dragon Aspect.

[Throren]

Mega dungeon is fyrakk and crowning new aspects via the new tree
Merithra will be the green aspect
Sabellian and wrathion will be the black aspects (something to do with wrathion being titan forged probably)
I say no ebyssian because dude's Hella sus

Didn't Ion specifically say in the interview in regards to 10.1.5 that the mega dungeons are usually 'side-stories' that arent directly tied to the main plotline or theme of an expansion? Like how Mechagon or Tazavesh were very much their own seperate self contained 'things' seperate from the main story of their respective xpacs.

[Treegdar]

Didn't Ion specifically say in the interview in regards to 10.1.5 that the mega dungeons are usually 'side-stories' that arent directly tied to the main plotline or theme of an expansion? Like how Mechagon or Tazavesh were very much their own seperate self contained 'things' seperate from the main story of their respective xpacs.

Sounds perfect for bronze dragon timey wimey stuff that can take us to various eras of Azeroth for the different sections of the dungeon.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Damned by faint praise. The moles have a much better visual design, but even if they were untextured cubes they immediately win out because they didn't tell me about friendship every .5 seconds.

Or the Centaur-that-weren't, for that matter. They're certainly more conceptually-appealing than most any of the races we've gotten this expansion other than the LARPing Vrykul in the fire Genasi cosplay.

[Kiivar86]

Given the Decatriarch plot hook and decay thing that doesn't really tie in to the main plot (you could argue maybe into Galakrond but that's just theorizing at this point, we've had nothing pointing that way officially, I believe) I'd point to a mega-dungeon in that direction, myself.

Can also bring in the blue flight that way, since Azure Span and we've seen how decay can even impact ley lines and the like.

[Nymrohd]

I suspect that we won't be getting a 10.1.5 PTR until two more weeks at least. Not because it's not ready until then, but because it's probably going to spoil stuff.

I am sure someone will have a better average but I think vendor builds tend to precede the PTR by about 3 weeks right? Or was it 2?

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Damned by faint praise. The moles have a much better visual design, but even if they were untextured cubes they immediately win out because they didn't tell me about friendship every .5 seconds.

I would still have used kobolds tbh. Even their architecture looks like kobold architecture.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

I got a ping here since the first post got edited by mod, and decided I shall be active again. What are everyones hope for a megadungeon?
The datamining IMO points more towards the Mega Dungeon being Emerald Dream related than 10.2

If the Emerald Dream assets will only be employed for a megadungeon, I'm inclined to suggest that the Gnoll Decay thing will connect to it. It is secondary to the primary plot, yet is one that seems to have sufficient effort put into it to suggest it's not just a thing they cobbled together, and it seems to have piqued a good deal of interest. Both the Bronze and Emerald Dream thing seem plausible, though, since both have a great deal of basis in the story so far and both could be put together with a good number of preexisting assets.

[Nymrohd]

If the Emerald Dream assets will only be employed for a megadungeon, I'm inclined to suggest that the Gnoll Decay thing will connect to it. It is secondary to the primary plot, yet is one that seems to have sufficient effort put into it to suggest it's not just a thing they cobbled together, and it seems to have piqued a good deal of interest. Both the Bronze and Emerald Dream thing seem plausible, though, since both have a great deal of basis in the story so far and both could be put together with a good number of preexisting assets.

I think it was also the only major plot that was an obvious side quest. Every other major storyline tied to the dragons. So the Decay story was just obvious. Plus the most crucial part, extremely few bosses actually survive.

[Shadochi]

If the Emerald Dream assets will only be employed for a megadungeon, I'm inclined to suggest that the Gnoll Decay thing will connect to it. It is secondary to the primary plot, yet is one that seems to have sufficient effort put into it to suggest it's not just a thing they cobbled together, and it seems to have piqued a good deal of interest. Both the Bronze and Emerald Dream thing seem plausible, though, since both have a great deal of basis in the story so far and both could be put together with a good number of preexisting assets.

Yeah, from the get go after realizing that the Decay story is left unfinished in 10.0 I've been thinking it will be used in the future of the expac with the dream. Between the Drust, Nightmare and Decay they have a wide variety of things to add in an Emerald Dream patch.

And its probably gonna end up being that what ever we get in 10.1.5 is going to start the bridge in 10.1.7 and lead into 10.2

[Nymrohd]

Yeah, from the get go after realizing that the Decay story is left unfinished in 10.0 I've been thinking it will be used in the future of the expac with the dream. Between the Drust, Nightmare and Decay they have a wide variety of things to add in an Emerald Dream patch.

And its probably gonna end up being that what ever we get in 10.1.5 is going to start the bridge in 10.1.7 and lead into 10.2

I think the crucial question is, where do you place the Bronze storyline. The purpose of the Bronze storyline is not Nozdormu's fate. While that is important, it is secondary to the expansion's story. The primary objective is finding Tyr's data disc. If the Bronze storyline is in 10.2 or earlier then we awaken Tyr near the middle of the expansion and he can guide us to the last patch. If however we have the story in 10.3 then Tyr only wakes up at the end of the expansion and crucially, after the 10.3 raid. That means he is there to lead us into the next expansion rather than to close this one. Given that Tyr is currently needed for the Aspects to regain their power and that it would be anticlimactic for them to regain their power AFTER we are done with the raids of the expansion, the Bronze story has to happen at 10.2 or before to both give time for Tyr to wake up and give us at least one patch for him to empower the Aspects

Also there is always the chance that there will be MORE dungeons down the line in this expansion. Legion had 1 Megadungeon & 2 normal ones (well the last one was cheap asset reuse crap but we still got 2)

[Sondrelk]

I think the crucial question is, where do you place the Bronze storyline. The purpose of the Bronze storyline is not Nozdormu's fate. While that is important, it is secondary to the expansion's story. The primary objective is finding Tyr's data disc. If the Bronze storyline is in 10.2 or earlier then we awaken Tyr near the middle of the expansion and he can guide us to the last patch. If however we have the story in 10.3 then Tyr only wakes up at the end of the expansion and crucially, after the 10.3 raid. That means he is there to lead us into the next expansion rather than to close this one. Given that Tyr is currently needed for the Aspects to regain their power and that it would be anticlimactic for them to regain their power AFTER we are done with the raids of the expansion, the Bronze story has to happen at 10.2 or before to both give time for Tyr to wake up and give us at least one patch for him to empower the Aspects

Also there is always the chance that there will be MORE dungeons down the line in this expansion. Legion had 1 Megadungeon & 2 normal ones (well the last one was cheap asset reuse crap but we still got 2)

I wouldnt be surprised if we get Tyr's data disk in 10.1.5 honestly. Could even be in the Megadungeon, given it was said to be lost in time. It would make the dungeon more relevant, which is a bit of a change from how they usually are, but not necessarily the wrong call.

[huth]

I would still have used kobolds tbh. Even their architecture looks like kobold architecture.

They also tend to be one-note and less than bright (no, candles don't count), rather unlike the Niffen.

[Nymrohd]

They also tend to be one-note and less than bright (no, candles don't count), rather unlike the Niffen.

I mean, so did gilgoblins before Nazjatar. Kobolds are an extremely common Warcraft race and WoW has only given them the barest of chances to shine. Beyond that cave in Highmountain where we found out WHY they use candles, that's it. This could have shown an actual kobold civilization.
I just don't like adding new things if you can repurpose something that already exists. Kobolds are small, live underground and have large noses. We barely know anything about them and the few things we did know would have worked for Loamm.
Niffen are fine and Fyrakk did pwn the poor things just for the lulz. I guess I don't care for them as much since their references are alien to me.

[czarek]

Was thinkin about 10.2 and forward last night. Thats just my idea ofc. They could bring us new zone in 10.2 over the clouds. Like new layer not below but over the isles :P Sounds plausible and easy to implement. That will be season 3. And with season 4 all content gonna be recycled and prob we will have to go back to old content to hint new expansion at the end of DF (old gods and big sord in the silithus ass). + megadungeon in season3 after this slice him for m+ rotation as two dungeons in season4.

[Sondrelk]

Wait, why do we think that the Dream will be the Megadungeon again?

At this point it seems to be either Bronze Dragonflight, or Dream stuff. The other one is likely what we will get for 10.2. Which of course means that by extension a raid with that theme is likely.
The Dream stuff is just what we know will be relevant in the near future, so it has a slight edge in the debate.

Really it's down to which is more likely. Bronze Dragonflight mega-dungeon and Dream raid. Or Bronze raid and dream mega-dungeon.