The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Varodoc]

Created by the Old Gods is completely irrelevant because they are literally Scourge aligned forces. The Old Gods are literally not the main antagonists of Azjol Nerub.

They share the spotlight as Main Villains.

The Scourge is certainly a major force in the Upper Kingdom, but the Faceless ones and Twilight's Hammer overran the lower depths, as could be seen in WC3 with the Forgotten One and its minions, and in the Ahn'kahet: the Old Kingdom dungeon. The final boss of that dungeon, and the entire WotLK Nerubian storyline, was Herald Volazj, Champion of Yogg-Saron.

That trail of thought is so flawed. Is Blackrock Depths a Titan dungeon because the Titans created Earthen who then devolved into Dwarves?

No, but it is a dungeon where Old Gods are the unseen overarching antagonists.

Since the Dark Irons were enslaved by Ragnaros, who himself was a slave of N'Zoth, and Deathwing even sent Twilight's Hammer there to bring the Dark Irons into the Old God fold.

The point is that the Old Gods have burrowed deep underground with their tentacles and creations, so they will feature prominently in Underground expansion.

[Keyalios]

? Ogre stong. Ogre not need close hand to grab puny staff.

Zug Zug

Very good DnD campaign I read a long time ago with an Ogre who wanted to be a mage. He was a barbarian with no intellect.

He would cast sleep, usually the enemy would just stare at him. He would get angry, bonk them over the head with his staff, then be happy they were sleeping. Often enemies would just "sleep" when they saw him if they knew of him.

[Dnusha]

After how badly it flopped

It flopped not because of it's name though.

[Keyalios]

It flopped not because of it's name though.

But they don't want to be associated with it.

Shadow anything is going to be poison in their minds and to the general, idiot, consumer.

[kavikor]

It flopped not because of it's name though.

yeah but from a marketing perspective you don't want to evoke the feelings people had with the worst expansion.

No returning player that quit in Shadowlands wants to see "Shadow of" and be reminded of how bad the game was.

They want to see a new title and think about what new features and journeys there are to go on, not the ones that made them quit.

[Stonecloak]

I highly doubt they use the word Shadow in any other title.

[justwatching]

Really? I feel like the quality between the two are miles apart.

The environments in the first 4 screenshots are in-engine without a doubt, the models, new creatures.

These ones are backgrounds, AI generated or not, they're flat backgrounds with text and a model imposed over it? At the very least the original 4 are at least real set pieces, with assets and characters in place.

The original 4 are handmade and in engine. Seriously people that compare them to some lazy AI fake that can be done in 10 min need to lay off the copium.


If the 4 screenshots are fake(im leaning towards them being real) they are by far the best fake this game has ever had.

I highly doubt they use the word Shadow in any other title.

Yeah I'm gonna be honest if Blizzard ever names an expansion "Shadows over Azeroth" they need to fire everyone that was involved with choosing that name.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

I highly doubt they use the word Shadow in any other title.

would take the taste out of shadowlands if they did and did it well.

[Ersula]

basically harbinger traps azeroth in a void bubble and sargeras pulls his sword out of azeroth and makes khaz algar

Wtf is a void bubble? You know the elf lady clutching azeroth banner was already debunked, right? It was just art of Madame Lazul with a crystal ball for the Darkmoon faire exhibit.

[Moth Preacher]

World of Warcraft: Shadowlands over Azeroth

Now we're talking

[Stonecloak]

would take the taste out of shadowlands if they did and did it well.

I think it's more just a creative rule to not repeat a sub-title.

[ercarp]

It flopped not because of it's name though.

Yes, but it makes sense not to associate their new and shiny expansion with literal garbage.

[Cheezits]

Shadow and Avaloren are both equally unlikely.

Unless Avaloren is LITERALLY Avalon, it doesn't make sense to advertise with the name.

[Neoplanet]

yeah but from a marketing perspective you don't want to evoke the feelings people had with the worst expansion.

No returning player that quit in Shadowlands wants to see "Shadow of" and be reminded of how bad the game was.

They want to see a new title and think about what new features and journeys there are to go on, not the ones that made them quit.

well for me shadow over azeroth should be "the expansion who was after bfa" and not shadowlands

also somehow i like this leak they try to get a new chance to bad things like the heart of azeroth become new and good

also somehow points for creativity to mention uldaz and sargeras and illidan

[Catastrophy349]

I hope content creators have their cameras ready for the "reaction videos" to tomorrow's announcement. Can't wait to see everyone's faces when those 4 images pop up on the big screen.

[Imotbh]

I think there's a very low chance that they would make an expansion with a name so similar to Shadowlands. After how badly it flopped, I'd be surprised if they ever use the word "Shadow" in any expansion ever again.

Yeah, I really (REALLY) don't see Blizzard using 2 similar names, especially for an expansion name.

[Harbour]

There is little chance Shadow over Azeroth was placeholder title.
I expect binary guy leak to be real one though.

[Colonel Sandor]

I'm late today, where are we getting the Shadow title from?

[kavikor]

The original 4 are handmade and in engine. Seriously people that compare them to some lazy AI fake that can be done in 10 min need to lay off the copium.


If the 4 screenshots are fake(im leaning towards them being real) they are by far the best fake this game has ever had.




Yeah I'm gonna be honest if Blizzard ever names an expansion "Shadows over Azeroth" they need to fire everyone that was involved with choosing that name.

It's pretty crazy to see how much someone will decry one of the best looking leaks we've seen because they just don't like the idea of it, but then latch onto something pretty clearly fake because they want so badly to be a certain theme, or because they've made up the worst case scenario for what those screenshots mean (4 zone island, no features, boring story about nothing lore relevant)

[Nize]

There is little chance Shadow over Azeroth was placeholder title.
I expect binary guy leak to be real one though.

Didn't Binary guy and Shadow over Azeroth essentially leak the same thing?