The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Itsgotime]

's fake.

The 11.0 preorder should have two toys, and two(?) transmog sets.

Hearthstone and Bell would be 2 toys.
Transmog how about- Gorian Consul and Gorian Centurion outfits

[Dismayxz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKJ7lVbv3VM



you guys forgot this gem? :>

The music and that epic moment when the Fleet turns back up, Ashvane's face. This is the Kul'tiran Riders of Rohan... very far from what I am comparing it with, but still epic.

[Swnem]

Also, Ion said the stuff about a revamp. Hes a lawyer. I don't see him saying anything about it unless they were actively working on it, or at least planning it. I really think 11.0 has a 50/50 shot of having a revamp.

He literally lied about there being a 3rd evoker spec days before the unveil.
Also, he said they weren't actually working on a revamp but it's something they will ponder.

In short, we can't say anything from what he says in terms of unannounced stuff.

[Palapop]

For the love of God THIS!

+10000 on this 1.

something similar to WC3 cinematic.


or even this:




dunno if anyone even remembers this cinematic (damn, its been 22 years!)

how come we went from THAT to taking pics of horse-sized ducks on rafts... :'(

[Chickat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKJ7lVbv3VM



you guys forgot this gem? :>

Its good, but more feelings and talking about feelings. Thats fine every once in a while like in BFA, but there was too much of that in DF and Im burned out of caring about peoples feelings. Give me manly fighting and explosions and shit. I want WoD/Legion again.

[Paula Deen]

He literally lied about there being a 3rd evoker spec days before the unveil.
Also, he said they weren't actually working on a revamp but it's something they will ponder.

In short, we can't say anything from what he says in terms of unannounced stuff.

Lying about something you are doing and something you aren't doing are very different things.

[Imotbh]

Also, Ion said the stuff about a revamp. Hes a lawyer. I don't see him saying anything about it unless they were actively working on it, or at least planning it. I really think 11.0 has a 50/50 shot of having a revamp.

I think he said "A revamp is eventually coming" or something along those lines. When he says it like this, you can generally understand they're working on it or willing to do it at some point. If they aren't planning something, Ion tends to not say anything or throw a "Never say never but not for now"

[Palapop]

BFA had alot of great cinematics. Its a shame the gameplay and overall story was so asswater that it blended completely into Shadowlands and, much like the Pandemic, it is all just a homogenized blur now.


They have more people working on WoW now than when BFA dropped.

Bfa had AMAZING gameplay man.

Only thing sucked was how they handled borrowed powers (essences should have been acc-wide + corruption vendor on day 1 of last patch).

Story was "fine" up until 8.3.


If you ask me, Azshara should be 8.3 fight with us releasing N'zoth and then having The Black Empire as 9.0.

Lore-wise, Shitlands should have never EVER happened.

[bdna]

I think he said "A revamp is eventually coming" or something along those lines. When he says it like this, you can generally understand they're working on it or willing to do it at some point. If they aren't planning something, Ion tends to not say anything or throw a "Never say never but not for now"

I'd bet on a 12.0 revamp instead of tomorrow. Still, better than never.

[Itsgotime]

Yes. But I mean all he said was an acronym too...he didn't actually have any useful info to begin with outside of Diablo. Also, Archeology Revamp is 100% coming. I would put that at the top of any list of things right below leveling to 80 and above new continent(s). I am that confident.

That is right. Was the Archaeology revamp on stated in an interview or was it on the timeline? I swore I saw it for future patches.
Ion's "learned from Cata" quote does make a revamp believable. I think the upside to all of this is that we could get blindsided by something really cool.

Yeah so Blizzard accidentally uploaded a pre alpha D4 2.0 build and didnt encrypt it properly so a russian group got ahold of it and datamined some shit...and thats the actual source of that information.

Obviously he could still be legit but hes not more credible than any other dude with a new account.

Ahh, okay. Well that at least puts it in context then. Figured he would have more sway with getting the Diablo Zone Right.

[Annihilas]

Not really? The chronicles lore basically said that the titans were created with the warcraft universes equivalnt of the big bang - light and void clashing on a big scale, which caused a big explosion from which the physical universe was born. The titens were basically big leftover energies from that event. Thats pretty straight forward.

"The First Ones made everything" on the other hand only makes sense until you start asking, who made the First Ones then? Or how did they come into existence, when there was nothing before them?

Loo at religion irl, many are of the impression that their deities "creators" were always theres and just simply exist beyond any mortal comprehension, pretty much as to say that, "God is existence itself". I think that would probably be a good parallel to draw here?

[Paula Deen]

Bfa had AMAZING gameplay man.

Only thing sucked was how they handled borrowed powers (essences should have been acc-wide + corruption vendor on day 1 of last patch).

Story was "fine" up until 8.3.


If you ask me, Azshara should be 8.3 fight with us releasing N'zoth and then having The Black Empire as 9.0.

Lore-wise, Shitlands should have never EVER happened.

Azerite sucked and the gameplay loop of needing to upgrade the neck on top of farming for the perfect gear sucked. If I want to grind I will go to Vanilla Reps not dungeons that already take 20 mins to play through. Those systems alone were honestly enough.

But then they added ON TOP OF IT with the Heart Inserts. Which was just as bad as Azerite Gear.

Then they added ON TOP OF IT with Corrupted Gear. Although Corruption was pretty fucking fun ngl.

Shadowlands and BFA both suffered from severe, and I do mean severe system bloat. Go back and play them now without the system bloat and you realize how horrendously bloated the content presented was. Shit even Argus was fucked beyond belief when it was current. I am really thankful the systems took a back seat this expansion and hope that, if the reprieve was just temporary, the new system(s) we get are much less hostile to gameplay.

I don't mean to sound like a fucking casual boomer, but I have like 4 hours a night a week to be home. At home. One dungeon is an hour. I am not grinding Azerite again.

That is right. Was the Archaeology revamp on stated in an interview or was it on the timeline? I swore I saw it for future patches.

It was a comment made, I believe by Ion and several other developers in the lead up to 10.1 and 10.2, I believe in a question about the Dragon Isles Expedition Renown Questline searching for that Vault/Tomb. Secrets of Azeroth was 100% an attempt to test if that kind of gameplay was received well too.

[Foolicious]

Bfa had AMAZING gameplay man.

Bfa shadow still appears in my nightmares sometimes.

[NoTimeToDie5426]

+10000 on this 1.

something similar to WC3 cinematic.


or even this:




dunno if anyone even remembers this cinematic (damn, its been 22 years!)

how come we went from THAT to taking pics of horse-sized ducks on rafts... :'(

How on earth have I never seen this... This perfectly captures the OG Wow vibe! And is that Optimus FUCKING Prime narrating? Peak 2000s stuff right there... Thanks for posting this.

[Calfredd]

dunno if anyone even remembers this cinematic (damn, its been 22 years!)

how come we went from THAT to taking pics of horse-sized ducks on rafts... :'(

Well one is a cinematic and the other is a daily/world quest.

[Chickat]

Bfa had AMAZING gameplay man.

Only thing sucked was how they handled borrowed powers (essences should have been acc-wide + corruption vendor on day 1 of last patch).

Story was "fine" up until 8.3.


If you ask me, Azshara should be 8.3 fight with us releasing N'zoth and then having The Black Empire as 9.0.

Lore-wise, Shitlands should have never EVER happened.

Nzoth could have been the one manipulating Sylvanas too. Northrend update, Azshara raid first tier to put her down for good. Bolvar/Sylvans tier. Sylvanas escpaes and is completely mad at this point. Nzoth and Sylvanas in final raid. Kill Nzoth, save Sylvanas but imprison her. Nzoth final act to rez Galakrond. DF happnes much the same but with the added threat of Gal as the final boss. Incarcnates mostly pawns but dont know it. Vyr still joins us after learning of the bargain Iridi made with the void and Galakgrond. We get 8.3 which is where we kill Gal, Iridi escapes and sets up 11.0.

[Itsgotime]

Not really? The chronicles lore basically said that the titans were created with the warcraft universes equivalnt of the big bang - light and void clashing on a big scale, which caused a big explosion from which the physical universe was born. The titens were basically big leftover energies from that event. Thats pretty straight forward.

"The First Ones made everything" on the other hand only makes sense until you start asking, who made the First Ones then? Or how did they come into existence, when there was nothing before them?

While I am not a fan of the First Ones. I wonder if they are some type of Light/Void beings or higher order Naaru. That would still keep with the chronicles theme.

Their architecture in Zereth Mortis looks like a cross between Titans and the Light. Not to mention the emphasis on sound being a tool of creation. It works well with how the Naaru communicate and instill emotion. When you stand near A’dal you hear chimes and ringing.

It was a comment made, I believe by Ion and several other developers in the lead up to 10.1 and 10.2, I believe in a question about the Dragon Isles Expedition Renown Questline searching for that Vault/Tomb. Secrets of Azeroth was 100% an attempt to test if that kind of gameplay was received well too.

Ah, thank you! also there is SOA again

[bdna]

Bfa shadow still appears in my nightmares sometimes.

BfA, Legion and even SL would be even better if they released the xpac with the X.3 systems in place, gameplay-wise.
(Ok, SL lore will never be good but still).

[Palapop]

Azerite sucked and the gameplay loop of needing to upgrade the neck on top of farming for the perfect gear sucked. If I want to grind I will go to Vanilla Reps not dungeons that already take 20 mins to play through. Those systems alone were honestly enough.

But then they added ON TOP OF IT with the Heart Inserts. Which was just as bad as Azerite Gear.

Then they added ON TOP OF IT with Corrupted Gear. Although Corruption was pretty fucking fun ngl.

Shadowlands and BFA both suffered from severe, and I do mean severe system bloat. Go back and play them now without the system bloat and you realize how horrendously bloated the content presented was. Shit even Argus was fucked beyond belief when it was current. I am really thankful the systems took a back seat this expansion and hope that, if the reprieve was just temporary, the new system(s) we get are much less hostile to gameplay.

I don't mean to sound like a fucking casual boomer, but I have like 4 hours a night a week to be home. At home. One dungeon is an hour. I am not grinding Azerite again.

I do agree that BFA-systems sucked in a way.

About "farming the most bis azerite gear" - I mean... I've been struggling with crit/haste boots on my shammy even today.

Yeah, at the end in 8.3, it was fun GAMEPLAY. (tho lore sucked).

With very few tweaks- BFA would be easily 2nd on my list. (mop/wotlk sharing first place forever)

Shadowlands.... just please, make it disappear! FOREVER AND EVER!

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How on earth have I never seen this... This perfectly captures the OG Wow vibe! And is that Optimus FUCKING Prime narrating? Peak 2000s stuff right there... Thanks for posting this.

I have/know for quite a few very, VERY old cinematics and in-game cutscenes. (1.12 is 1 of my favorites, EVER. TRUE WORLD OF WAAAAAARCRAAAFT)

[Chickat]

While I am not a fan of the First Ones. I wonder if they are some type of Light/Void beings or higher order Naaru. That would still keep with the chronicles theme.
Their architecture in Zereth Mortis looks like a cross between Titans and the Light. Not to mention the emphasis on sound being a tool of creation. It works well with how the Naaru communicate and instill emotion. When you stand near A’dal you hear chimes and ringing.

Big bang imo is the First ones experimenting and killing themselves. Maybe to save themselves, who knows. Either way it happened and the realms that the First ones were working on were fully unleashed into the Cosmos.