The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[RigidCannibal]

im still wondering if the Titans know of what Zovaal was upto or if they even know about that Pantheon. Was this ever adressed?

We haven't really had a way to find out. I would love if it's lampshaded later that, yes, they were aware he was up to something and thought he was woefully beneath their notice.

[Luxu]

Time to leave the thread, leaks that late would just end up killing the hype. Have a good day, and a good BlizzCon, everyone!

[justwatching]

I’d have to check the schedule again, but did the first panel after the opening ceremony previously have a 15 min gap?
Maybe the “surprise” reveal goes last at the ceremony, and they stay to transition the panel after a brief interlude?

If not, I think they could do roughly an hour opening ending at 12. Then start a panel at 12:15 - go to 1:15 - clear out for Wow at 1:30.
I just thought the hour and a half gap was strange.

Possible but then why schedule the longer ceremony in the first place. They also have streamers scheduled during that time.

[Worldshaper]

As for the Titans, I think it's helpful to compare them to the Angiris Council in Diablo.

They're good and fighting evil, but they exist on such a different cosmic plane than we do, sometimes what we consider to be good/bad doesn't line up with their view. They see a greater picture in the universe, one in which Order must triumph (anything but would be synonymous with the end of the universe to them). We can't comprehend that, because the scope of the universe to us is Azeroth. To them, we are but one of many. And to them, our world-soul is much more important than us, its custodians.

But, as seen with Tyrael and Tyr, there can be renegades who take a more symathetic view of the plights of mortals, and want to get directly involved. Ensuring victory for their cosmic faction, while also seeking to minimise suffering for everyone.

[Delever]

Well.... It's gonna be hard to work today chaps that's all I m gonna say

[Auxis]

im still wondering if the Titans know of what Zovaal was upto or if they even know about that Pantheon. Was this ever adressed?

Well, we know at least 1 Keeper was aware of the Shadowlands and was able to contact and deal with Zovaal (Odyn gave his eye to Zovaal in exchange for... I think the knowledge to create Val'kyr?). Don't know if that knowledge was passed up the ladder.

[Woggmer]

Nothing of substance the last 40 pages?

Just a matter of waiting for the reveal... and honestly pretty much most, if not, all the leaks don't seem plausible or legitimate to me. Not even the 4 screenshots.

The only ones I might consider plausible is either the Shadows Over Azeroth leak from Ironwasher.

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or this one called Beyond the Storming Sea.

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But even I have heavy doubts on both........

[Melorandor]

I hope its "Rift of Aln"

[Dnusha]

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i know this is wow youtuber but i've never seen any of his videos, so i guess whatever you implied just flew above my head.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Morning leakers and leakbusters! What's new since last evening?

[lostsoup]

Morning leakers and leakbusters! What's new since last evening?

Somehow, nothing! We're less than 12 hours away and there's been no leaks. I'm hoping it stays that way until the reveal, honestly.

[Fahrad Wagner]

In a cannonball?

YES! Exactly!

Somehow, nothing! We're less than 12 hours away and there's been no leaks. I'm hoping it stays that way until the reveal, honestly.

Then we have two possibilities: either one of the leaks that already came out is true and we're in denial (if I had to put my money on something it'd be iron's leak) OR Blizz has been very good at keeping the secret.

In any case there is no way it doesn't leak 1-2 hours prior to announcement. Be prepared my friends! Our long wait is coming to an end

[KurtMash]

Just a matter of waiting for the reveal... and honestly pretty much most, if not, all the leaks don't seem plausible or legitimate to me. Not even the 4 screenshots.

The only ones I might consider plausible is either the Shadows Over Azeroth leak from Ironwasher.

Spoiler: 

or this one called Beyond the Storming Sea.

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But even I have heavy doubts on both........

Unrelated question, but I always wondered - how to add hidden spoiler blocks like these?

[Hitei]

Schreier said its not getting announced this year and they dont really have any free panel spots for it. When they announced OW there were gaps in the schedule and they had the demo areas covered.

I think they are just very confident in the Warcraft news and obviously Metzen will be on stage.

Shrug. Doesn't need separate panels or a demo if all they're doing is showing a cinematic, some gameplay and talking a bit about it.

Interesting you think thats a deliberate gap. Its 45 min they could definitely fit a panel there but its tight...the other panels all have 15 min gaps between them. But that would then mean a 30 min panel that seems rather unlikely.

On the current schedule for virtual, the gap between opening ceremonies and WoW is listed as:


In previous years, the gap after opening ceremonies was 30 min, not 45. Who knows.

[Nimerion]

Good morning.

I'm so excited. Hope for an exciting cinematic.

[Worldshaper]

Also helpful to keep in mind that the antagonist of the expansion will most likely be the Void.

There are just too many clues, from the historic pattern of how expansion stories lead into one another and Dragonflight/11.0 picking up from Cataclysm, to all the in-game hints about the Harbinger, Queen Azshara, etc.

How they decide to frame that is anybody's guess. I'm thinking they probably found more success in the Legion model than the Shadowlands one, i.e. going all in for a showdown with a cosmic force, but in a rooted setting back on Azeroth - not going into some otherworldly realm that doesn't feel like Warcraft.

I also think they will keep a lot of elements from Cataclysm, just as they did between TNB/WoD/L and WotLK/BfA/SL. So we'll see Thrall, as has been hinted, the dragon aspects and the elements will still be relevant to some degree, and likely also the dragons' creators (the Titans and Keepers).

But Life or Light seem like very likely candidates for a B-plot, or something which builds up in the background for the future. Azeroth has at some point in its history been "controlled" by each of the cosmic forces, except the Light...

[Nork]

Guys, I've got a question: will the new wow expansion be announced today? (Friday 3rd)

[Akatsui]

Good morning everyone!

Happy Blizzcon day!

What will we get? Lightforged? Underground? New Island on the other side of Azeroth? Dwarves? Old Gods? Let's find out!

[RigidCannibal]

Guys, I've got a question: will the new wow expansion be announced today? (Friday 3rd)

Probably. Can't say 100% but like... I don't see why they wouldn't, even if they have a 10.3 planned and we won't see it until Q4 next year just giving us something seems like a good idea

[justwatching]

Shrug. Doesn't need separate panels or a demo if all they're doing is showing a cinematic, some gameplay and talking a bit about it.



On the current schedule for virtual, the gap between opening ceremonies and WoW is listed as:

So in 2019 there was a 30 min gap between ceremony end and first panel. They did hide that panel(it was D4) but it was listed as "Coming Soon" until after the ceremony.

Its possible but I'll remain skeptical cause Jason Schreier usually knows his shit with Blizzard.