1. #5301
    Couple of predictions for 10.1.5...

    - Dungeon is the CITADEL of Time (COT)
    - Morchie put out the hit on Chromie for Deaths of Chromie (really wish her name was Iechrom)
    - Morchie is the final boss but it results in Murozond being created (inverse of Chromie sayin she'll always try and save Murozond, maybe she is responsible?)
    - Razsageth's visage form is one of the bosses as fanservice
    - Galakrond fight where you have to dragon ride to different platforms, similar to the Azshara Eel fight
    - Murozond turns to Nozdormu to save Chromie... Xal may or may not involved

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    If Avaloren turns out to be an expansion zone in DF instead of a full expac continent, we could absolutely find the last Old God there.

    Interestingly, presuming that 10.2 and 10.3 have zones, what do we expect those zones to be? 10.2 could be an Emerald Dream themed zone. But what do people expect from 10.3? I doubt the Murozond plot is going to happen that late given it was mentioned so soon and that it is problematic for the narrative since we need Tyr back earlier. I will ofc always push for some upgraded/revamped zone elsewhere; Dragonblight or even Storm Peaks and bringing in Odyn can very much work (and both are sizeable zones).
    Also, Forbidden Reach was kind of a free zone for Blizzard; they had to make a starting zone for the Dracthyr and for once they did not waste it and reused it (compared to brilliant zones in the past like Gilneas, Kezan, Wandering Isle or even Mardum that were barely used if used at all). Does anyone think we might get more zones like that? We could even get some small underground zone adjacent to Zaralek. Heck if we did end up going to Northrend, an additional underground area to the west of Zaralek could have tunnels that open in Northrend.
    If 10.2 is the Dream and 10.1.5 is the only Time patch, then 10.3 may be a flying area of some kind. Or the Blue Tower acts as a portal to somewhere in space.

  2. #5302
    MEgadungeon is Vakthros. EZ Clap
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  3. #5303
    There's a few things the mega dungeon could be, vakthros, bronze dragon stuff etc.

    Though imho all of those feel a little 'too' important to the main general plot of dragonflight, when we know the megadungeons are specifically meant to be able to tell/show unrelated side stories or places that dont corelate with the main plot of the expac.

    So I wouldnt be surprised if it was something like the afore-hinted at Khaz Algar (Though I would vastly prefer that we get that as a full zone with the new dwarves as a faction but I just cant see Blizz doing 'two' underground zones anytime soon so I wouldnt be surprised) That said, it could still very much be the more obvious dragon-centered stuff too

  4. #5304
    People in this thread really sat here a ring like “A flame, extinguished” heralds Fyrak’s death for sure; not realising we have an enemy faction in game known as The Sundered Flame, with the current patches main storyline revolving around their leader as the chief antagonist as well as trying to reclaim his brainwashed and confused followers that he’s proven to not care about, and bring them back in the fold with the rest of the playable faction dracthyr.

    The answer is literally dancing naked right in front of you.

  5. #5305
    Quote Originally Posted by Throren View Post
    There's a few things the mega dungeon could be, vakthros, bronze dragon stuff etc.

    Though imho all of those feel a little 'too' important to the main general plot of dragonflight, when we know the megadungeons are specifically meant to be able to tell/show unrelated side stories or places that dont corelate with the main plot of the expac.

    So I wouldnt be surprised if it was something like the afore-hinted at Khaz Algar (Though I would vastly prefer that we get that as a full zone with the new dwarves as a faction but I just cant see Blizz doing 'two' underground zones anytime soon so I wouldnt be surprised) That said, it could still very much be the more obvious dragon-centered stuff too
    Khaz Algar was my first guess for the setting of the megadungeon but I think we would of seen some hints to it in Zaralek if that were the case. Its possible, depending on where the story goes that it could be the final raid. Perhaps housing some type of titan secret that Iridikron wants to get his hands on.

    I think the bronze story is the most likely candidate for the megadungeon. Its related to the overall story of Dragonflight but compartmentalized from the larger Incarnates plot. It also just lends itself better to an experimental format that megadungeons typically employ.

    If I had to guess how the remainder of DF will go at this point :

    - 10.1.5 - Temporal Conflux megadungeon
    - 10.2 - Emerald Dream outdoor zone, Valktros raid
    - 10.3 - Avaloren - Although entirely possible we don't explore Avaloren yet and Khaz Algar serves as a narrative bridge to take the story there for 11.0

  6. #5306
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    People in this thread really sat here a ring like “A flame, extinguished” heralds Fyrak’s death for sure; not realising we have an enemy faction in game known as The Sundered Flame, with the current patches main storyline revolving around their leader as the chief antagonist as well as trying to reclaim his brainwashed and confused followers that he’s proven to not care about, and bring them back in the fold with the rest of the playable faction dracthyr.

    The answer is literally dancing naked right in front of you.
    For what its worth, I did admit that after my own adamant insisting it was Fyrakk. So yeah I'm no longer on Fyrakk biting it. Yet.

  7. #5307
    Are we doing anything more with Tyr's new body in 10.1?

  8. #5308
    Thoughts on patch 10.1

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    I waited until all of the patch's content had released before reviewing it. Thoughts on the week 1 of the questline here.












    The new zone, Zalarek Cavern, is... decent? Probably the best looking Dragonflight zone with the orange lava rivers, the yellow sulfur, the turquoise crystals, the purple plants, etc. However, the zone isn't very fun to adventure through gameplay wise, unlike the multi-layered Tangled Depths or Draconis Mons from GW2. The underground area is does not feel as grandiose as it could have been compared to other fantasy underground areas, be it Draconis Mons, or the Hidden World from HTTYD, or even the Underbog and Azjol Nerub from WoW's earlier expansions. Neltharion's citadel, Abberus, does not feel imposing either.

    The zone is very good for open world PvP, though, since the low ceiling means that it is unlikely your enemies can escape from you by simply ascending infinitely. They are likely to get dismounted by your wingshredder or airborne tumbling. I am disappointed how unimmersive the war supply mode crate is delievered, though. The plane spawns 5 feet in front of a cavern wall, flies the same path of south to north through the cavern, drops the crate, and then despawns 5 feet in front of the northern cavern wall. The plane either should have flown through the cavern entrances, or the crate should have been delievered by a Dwarven digging machine.




    The map transistion isn't perfect, as often times I see the end of the cave wall before it disappears. Yes, my game is installed on an SSD. Nice piano, though.




    Slitherdrake


    Proto-Drake

    Once again, we have the key feature of the expansion, the dragon mount, and it is too small for Tauren players. Still forced to use the Proto-Drake. No real choice or personalization to be had here. It's a shame, because I love the way the Pern-styled dragons look. Would have loved to have used one. Maybe 10.2 will introduce another dragonriding model and it will be probably scaled?



    Week 2 questline




    This is the final boss of the raid? I beat him up not once but twice in the questing experience (as in he's kneeling on the ground at your mercy), and twice my character and the other characters just stand and watch as he runs away proclaiming that this isn't over. He isn't threatening at all, and it feels weird that the raid is about chasing him rather than the big evil dragon rampaging outside.

    More cringeworthy dialogue between Emberthal and Ebyssian.

    If Neltharion had a loyal army of Black Dragonkin who would do ANYTHING he asked, why didn't he call upon them in Cata?

    Wrathion never got focus this patch.



    Abberus, the Shadow Crucible.

    The raid is... I'm not sure how I feel about it.

    First of all, it is yet another underground fortress/fire themed raid, in a game that is already heavily oversaturated with them. Blackrock Depths, Blackrock Spire, Molten Core, Blackwing Lair, Grim Batol, Blackwing Descent, Bastion of Twilight, Firelands, Siege of Orgrimmar, the ogre mines dungeon from WoD, Blackrock Foundry, and so on. It is also mono-themed all the way through, unlike the great raids like ToT or SoO that have a lot of variation in environments and themes.

    A raid about exploring a dark laboratory sounds cool. Unfortunately, the actual raid is you running through huge, empty hallways, nothing immersive like Karazhan.

    Lots of asset reuse here. Generic fire elemental boss, another hydra/core hound boss, more fire vrykul bosses, yadda yadda.




    Some of the AoE timings feel unfair. An AoE appears beneath you, and you have a fraction of a second to begin walking out of it, or you will be one shotted.

    The hardest boss thus far has been Zskarn. Rest of the raid thus far has been a breeze.

    This was a 5 or 6 hour long raid. I cannot recall any music from this patch. It's all forgettable crap. Very disappointing given how great this franchise's music once was.

    Doesn't Neltharion's ghost showing up contradict the afterlife lore introduced in Shadowlands? He should be some Bastion temple or repenting in Revendreth. Or he was turned into anima and is powering one of Mikanikos' robots. Not that I'm complaining. Best to pretend Shadowlands never happened.

    It's disappointing that the questline promises that you're going to venture into Abberus and fight alongside Wrathion and Sabellian... and then you don't fight with them in the raid. They just stand off to the side and watch as you do the battles.

    One of the raiders in our PUG was muted, and apparently that prevented the raid leader from listing us in LFG to recruit replacements. Every time we needed to recruit more people, the raid leader had to kick the muted player out of his party (which in turn kicked him from the raid instance), recruit the raiders, then invite the muted raider back in, and since we didn't have a warlock we had to wait for the raider to run all the way back to where we are. We had to do this 10 times. What an incredible waste of time and stupid programming.

    The PUG leader cursing and yelling at his raiders like a drill sergent and threatening to kick them seemed to have improved the PUG's performance. "YES SIR RAID LEADER!"




    The last boss room where you descend into outer space like in Genshin Impact was cool.




    The raid leader is telling me to play a 100 APM rotation imported from Icy Veins that I'm unfamiliar with and deal big DPS or he's going to kick me. He's watching the DPS meters like a hawk and is shouting "why aren't the adds dead yet? They need to die now or we wipe! Come on guys or I'm going to have to kick people!". I have procs popping up all of the time and I can't look away from my glowing hotbar. I am stacked on top of a raid of players who are throwing out heal effects and damage effects, on top of the boss who is fire breathing on our raid and dropping dark purple puddles and spawning dozens of dark purple adds who are using dark purple attacks on us. I cannot possibly see this tiny, dark purple orb through all of this crap. And then I get blamed and called a moron for a bomb I wasn't even carrying.

    Welp, I'm done. Got Sarkareth down to 40% when our PUG disbanded. Tried joining Sarkareth PUGs but it seems people don't want ilevel 401 ret paladins. Guess my only hope would be to have joined another fresh run and hope it made it to Sarkareth all the way through, which I'm not doing. I am not a raider and I don't do mythic+, so I won't be able to get into PUGs later on when people start setting higher ilevel requirements unless Blizzard adds catchup gear towards before the next raid tier drops. Doubt I will beat Sarkareth until 10.2 rolls around.

    Watched the raid ending cutscene on Youtube. It's funny how Wrathion and Sabellian teleport into the boss room as if they were there during the fight all along (last I checked they were still frozen in Neltharion's room). In retrospect, I suppose the same thing happened with Khadgar and Kalecgos in Vault of the Incarnates.



    Fryakk Assault

    Seeing Fryakk devastate the zone like Deathwing was cool. I thought that the event was that you were going to fight him. It's called a "Fryakk Assault" but you don't get to fight the titular big bad?





    I was led to believe that the Fryakk Assault would be another GW2-esque event that had a beginning, middle, and end, like the Iskarra Soup event or the Primalist Future or the Assault on Dragonbane Keep. Instead, it's just an always on mosh pit, like the Legion assaults. That's disappointing. It does at least vaguely feel like a war is going on (still makes no sense where all of these Primalists are coming from), though the fire and ash effects disappear once you step 2 feet out of the assault area.

    So Baine and Mayla are here in the plains fighting against Fryakk's forces. I guess that next week, the Azure Span will have Khadgar and Kalecgos? Thaldraszus will have Nozdormu and his wife? And the Waking Shores will have Alexstraza, Wrathion, and Sabellian?



    So... that's it? That's the patch? Darn. Not even a new battleground. Doesn't seem to have longevity.


    Welp, none of the three Primal Incarnates died this patch. The roadmap shows that 10.1.5 will come with world events. Perhaps one of the Incarnates will die in that? 10.1.7 will come with quests so maybe another incarnate will die in that. And then the last Incarnate dies in the 10.2 raid? I know that people were speculating that zombie Galakrond would be the final boss, but IDK how he could be fit in at the rate the story is dealing with the Primal Incarnates.

    What on earth is the 10.2 zone going to be? Are they going to whip out another offshore island like Isle of Thunder/Isle of Giants/Timeless Isle? Or is the zone going to be in another dimension, like the Void? Or they could do the GW2 thing and have a map set on top of zombie Galakrond's rotting body? Or maybe an enlarged Primal Incarnate that has feasted on incredible power? Too cool for current Blizzard, probably.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    How is this speculation?
    My understanding is that this thread was for discussing Dragonflight and its patches, not just upcoming patches. My writeups as I went through the questing experience and the 10.07 patch did not elicit disapproval. I looked back for the mod's warning post from a couple days ago and did not find it, then checked the OP and saw that it was updated to say that thread was only for future discussion. So I'll edit the post to put the current patch content in a spoiler so people who only want to see the future patch speculation will only see that.
    Last edited by Val the Moofia Boss; 2023-05-10 at 08:40 PM.

  9. #5309
    Underground fire raid which we haven't had in 7 years
    Pugs wanting ilvl higher than world quests
    Assaults in the same style as the others we've had which surprises you?

    Dude take a breath
    Touch grass
    Maybe find that WoW just isn't for you because you like different things

  10. #5310
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    SNIP
    How is this speculation?

  11. #5311
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamin...poilers-332901

    Seems like the leaked Legendary image was an actual leak after all.

    Kinda lame but it makes sense with the "Augmenter" thing.

  12. #5312
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamin...poilers-332901

    Seems like the leaked Legendary image was an actual leak after all.

    Kinda lame but it makes sense with the "Augmenter" thing.
    It's very strange how much Blizzard is keeping that legendary under wraps. We still don't even know how to obtain it yet, and the weapon itself had to be datamined to find. If you look at previous class legendaries, they didn't have nearly this level of secrecy around them.

  13. #5313
    Hm, surprised. The bit of space in the item level second and third digits seemed off to me but I guess not.

  14. #5314
    Having finally gotten to play the new raid, I do think the ending to Sarkareth was really good narratively. That entire instance is about the Black Dragons being tempted in some way or another, and both Sabellian and Wrathion realize that what Neltharion could give them isnt worth it. Only Sarkareth goes all the way into the depths of Aberrus, and even in death doesnt seem to accept how misguided he is.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  15. #5315
    Launcher just updated, 10.1.5 PTR listed

  16. #5316
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Launcher just updated, 10.1.5 PTR listed
    I feel like it has to be tomorrow night after the blog post, but we'll see if we're lucky tonight.

  17. #5317
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I feel like it has to be tomorrow night after the blog post, but we'll see if we're lucky tonight.
    Oh it's probably tomorrow, this is just prep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    Hm, surprised. The bit of space in the item level second and third digits seemed off to me but I guess not.
    I'm more surprised that they actually gave it a support-style ability. Quite an interesting development since it backs up the datamined Neltharion voice lines.

  19. #5319
    Quote Originally Posted by ChairmanKaga View Post
    Are we doing anything more with Tyr's new body in 10.1?
    Not much we can do with it without the disk from Uldaman. And that'll probably not be in 10.1.

  20. #5320
    I have a feeling that will play into the Bronze dragon stuff as the disk with his memories were lost somewhere in time, which, we'd of course need the Bronze dragon's help to retrieve which could then segway nicely into the Murozond stuff

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