The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Swnem]

Metzen said "We gotta get these expansions out faster" and people are still thinking that wont change expansion release cadence at all?

I still think he means the 3 raid expansion model we have now, which should make them more predictable on the pipeline. Probably a bit less than 2 years but still more than 1.5 years. We'll see. They haven't really said anything specific about it yet.

[Well Done Steak]

I can see tinker shared between BM and Surv, dark ranger between mm and surv (sylvanas did go melee vs saurfang), and I guess void ranger between, mm and BM?

[Dnusha]

a raid where sargeras and/or azeroth is fighting a void lord in the background, destroying planets as mere afterthoughts

unironically would play that

[Syegfryed]

yes, it does sound like the world is being revamped

return to the old world

what? u dont think northrend is gonna be revamped for 13.0? just no new zones returning to old ones?

it would sound much better to me if they say "return to a new nothrend" if they are going to revamp, instead of saying shit like "return to the OLD world, but i guess its just sounding better/worse depending on what you think

[Raetary]

Midnight is about the clash between Light and Void, centered around Quel'thalas and the corruption of the Sunwell.

It's not about time travel.

[Moth Preacher]

Tbh, I slowly begun to understand my lack of hype:

It's basically what I "feared" Avaloren was going to be: DF 2.0
4 zones, 1 raid, 8 dungeons, QoL features, 2 weird races.
The only real difference is that zones are cool, but instead of those 2 races we got 3 flavour of dwarves, just a reskin.
Hero Talents system looks like the one from Legion/BfA/SL
And Delves may as well save it for me, but they may as well be a complete miss just like the warfronts were

I don't hate it, just like I don't hate Dragonflight, but instead of "Legion 2.0" it seems we're getting "DF 2.0", and "The Saga" is here just to mitigate how bland the 11.0 may be, so people may look forward to the stuff they want.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'll be proven wrong, maybe I'll rethink it, but now it's just meh: dwarf reskin, more talents and a vague delve system

[Cheezits]

Shadowlands/DF will be the new normal, but I can see it being shortened to one major patch. How many new underground zones could we get with TWW?

[Cosmic Janitor]

I really want a Tinker class but you're all huffing paint if you think a new class is going to fit in 10 talent points

The Druid ones shown were basically focus on treants or focus on moon spells. It doesn't magically change the class, it's a specialisation of a specialisation...

The Warrior one shown in the video makes subtle changes (ST ability now cleave) and new VFX, it doesn't change the core class into something completely different.

I'd roll a Tinker in a heartbeat but you all need to stop thinking a whole new class(es) will be added through this system

I mean specialisation is pretty overhyped as well. It seems just a substitution for what would have otherwise been 2-3 more rows on each side of the current trees. They just flavor coded them, maybe by the end of the "worldsoul saga" *cringe*, they will have shaped up to be something that could represent a thematic subclass. So far the 2 examples we have seen seems minor effect wise. Not like you can do much in 10 points, unless you have talents with 20-50 lines of changes for existing talents.

[Merryck]

What's Teriz got to say about all this?

[Sondrelk]

I still think he means the 3 raid expansion model we have now, which should make them more predictable on the pipeline. Probably a bit less than 2 years but still more than 1.5 years. We'll see. They haven't really said anything specific about it yet.

Honestly, I could see expansions get pared down to launch, two minor patches, major patch, and two minor patches including a Fated Season. That should make it possible to get it under a year.

[Varodoc]

During BFA she said she wants to control the sunwell, herself. Midnight to me sounds like a major conflict between the Void/Night Elves & The Nightborne who already built a giant new shield over the Sunwell for the Blood elves.

When did she say that?

I remember the Void Lords telling her to seize the throne of Silvermoon in that pre-BfA comic (that she brushed off), but I don't remember that Sunwell bit.

They've already told us what Midnight is about. It's not a faction war/elven war. Quite the opposite, in fact; it's about the elven groups coming together with the Light to defend Quel'Thalas from the Void.

[Makorus]

it would sound much better to me if they say "return to a new nothrend" if they are going to revamp, instead of saying shit like "return to the OLD world, but i guess its just sounding better/worse depending on what you think

It being timetravel makes no sense in the context of the story lmao.

We know what the expansions are about. You might be the only person on this planet to think it's timetravel

[Marlamin]

Wait, this means the next few years of hype threads won't endlessly speculate/have fake leaks on what the next expansion is. WE ARE FREE.

[Chickat]

Are we allowed to discuss Classic here just during blizzcon?

[Sondrelk]

Tbh, I slowly begun to understand my lack of hype:

It's basically what I "feared" Avaloren was going to be: DF 2.0
4 zones, 1 raid, 8 dungeons, QoL features, 2 weird races.
The only real difference is that zones are cool, but instead of those 2 races we got 3 flavour of dwarves, just a reskin.
Hero Talents system looks like the one from Legion/BfA/SL
And Delves may as well save it for me, but they may as well be a complete miss just like the warfronts were

I don't hate it, just like I don't hate Dragonflight, but instead of "Legion 2.0" it seems we're getting "DF 2.0", and "The Saga" is here just to mitigate how bland the 11.0 may be, so people may look forward to the stuff they want.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'll be proven wrong, maybe I'll rethink it, but now it's just meh: dwarf reskin, more talents and a vague delve system

Ehh, being underground is significant enough of a change to not just be DF 2.0. And the potential for annual expansions means it's more like a dud major patch, rather than a dud expansion.

[Well Done Steak]

They described it as basically a mantle for a bunch of changes that make things account wide. I guess the login screen is the biggest visual change but it's not the warband system itself, there won't be a "Warband UI"

What about the login screen?

[Myrrh]

Wait, this means the next few years of hype threads won't endlessly speculate/have fake leaks on what the next expansion is. WE ARE FREE.

You underestimate us parrot. Where there's a will, there's a way

[Merryck]

Obviously Midnight won't be confined to just Quel'thalas. I imagine it will be a much more extensive rework of the Old World.

[Pinksocking]

Shadowlands/DF will be the new normal, but I can see it being shortened to one major patch. How many new underground zones could we get with TWW?

Same. One raid at launch and one raid 6-8 months after. Next expansion.

[Jodmos]

They described it as basically a mantle for a bunch of changes that make things account wide. I guess the login screen is the biggest visual change but it's not the warband system itself, there won't be a "Warband UI"

That login screen makes it look like it's going to be more of a pain in the ass to log in characters if you have a lot given you can only see a few there.