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    Quote Originally Posted by HeraldofSargeras View Post
    Ebyssian is so annoying this patch.
    Really? It's odd how perspective can be so different. I find Wrathion and Sabellian to be super-annoying in this patch, what with Wrathion's teenage tantrums and Sabellian's appalling lack of ability to either read a room or not act like an entitled jackass. Ebyssian is the only one of the showcased black dragons not actively being their own worst enemy.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    Predictions:

    10.1.5

    New class combos for Dracthyr. Warrior, rogue, hunter and possibly mage.

    Some new race/class combos. Nelf and Undead Paladin? Gnome and Orc Druid? Human Shaman?
    I doubt you'll see any of this until 11.0

    They only new race / class spec they are adding are ones where they need to flip on a switch and add some NPCs for flavor.

    Unrelated, but I wonder when BfA TW will pop up. Its not on the roadmap so I am guessing 10.2.5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Really? It's odd how perspective can be so different. I find Wrathion and Sabellian to be super-annoying in this patch, what with Wrathion's teenage tantrums and Sabellian's appalling lack of ability to either read a room or not act like an entitled jackass. Ebyssian is the only one of the showcased black dragons not actively being their own worst enemy.
    At least that fits with their general characterisation. Even his own people have that complaint about Sabellian and Wrathion is a teenager. One that keeps forgetting that without my character, he wouldn't have been born.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    At least that fits with their general characterisation. Even his own people have that complaint about Sabellian and Wrathion is a teenager. One that keeps forgetting that without my character, he wouldn't have been born.
    Sure, I'm not saying anyone is out of character - merely that the characters of Wrathion and Sabellian are annoying. Ebyssian, too, is pretty in-character for who he's always been since his intro in Legion: mediator, wise elder, and generally down-to-earth as befits his choice of visage.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    Predictions:

    10.1.5
    Blue Dragonflight storyline which could possibly result in a mage tower styled solo scenario in which we fight Chromatus atop/inside Vakthros. Rewards cosmetic appearances.
    I actually feel like a dumbass for not realizing this, but Vakthros is LITERALLY a "mage tower" (at least with the Arcane connection) and it would explain the "class weapons" that have been datamined this patch. Vakthros would make perfect sense as the Mage Tower 2.0 location and the class themed weapons are likely the reward.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Unrelated to Vakthros but Blizzard really nailed it with the breaking up of characters for flights and patch focus. People won't shut the hell up about the Black Dragon group and it's smart to focus on them specifically this patch while the other patches will probably all deal with a specific flight: it means the same characters won't be spammed every chapter like BFA and Shadowlands.

    Though it seems likely the Red will be shafted and the Blue won't get a specific patch. But I would love to be proven wrong and 10.3 is Red vs Decay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    Really? It's odd how perspective can be so different. I find Wrathion and Sabellian to be super-annoying in this patch, what with Wrathion's teenage tantrums and Sabellian's appalling lack of ability to either read a room or not act like an entitled jackass. Ebyssian is the only one of the showcased black dragons not actively being their own worst enemy.
    Altho true, Ebyssian feels like a true tauren rather then a dragon. He also gives me Baine vibes.

    Its kinda weird wrathion acts like this the whole time, with all the things he did in the past stories you would think, he would act a little different, but hes back with hes teenage attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I could see a Huntress of the Moon class skin for Markmanship because it would effectively be a Night Elf huntress who also has strong faith in Elune and thus explains some of her abilities through that faith. Could ofc also work for e.g. Disc. I could even see some small deviations like expanding weapon choices to make a shaman to Shadow Hunter work.
    But moving specs to other classes? Adding class skins to specs that have no theme in common but could work for gameplay (druid to tinker)?
    you're forgetting another option - adding specs.
    there's been a substantial amount of speculation based on some clues in the files that there's a third evoker spec in the works - yet Hazzikostas recently said that in 10.1 it won't be added. what are the odds they've planned three specs for evokers since the beginning, but the third one wasn't ready for the release and they decided to freeze it? and since a new spec was to be added later for one class, why not develop it and make it into the primary expansion feature for 11.0?
    ofc, making 13 new specs and balancing them for the fall 2024 would be a nightmare - so why not add them gradually? it mirrors the allied race system - use an existing race (in our case, class) as a foundation, tweak it a bit and add it when it's appropriate (Kul Tirans/Zandalari especially added after enough time had passed for their introduction in their respective factions).
    PotM, if the system is adopted, is the priest's fourth spec, the nightstalker or something. they use ranged weapons, bless their projectiles and rain the light (moonlight, with the night elf specific glyph) down on their enemies. it allows more characters to use bows/guns, expands your class fantasy, finally allows for a light-based range dps class. it also doesn't mean anyone can become a PotM now, other races just build upon the Van Helsing werewolf/vampire hunter trope.
    it seems even more plausible to me as Ion also mentioned shaman earth tanks in that interview - it's a proof this idea is there, but for sure it isn't certain they will commit to it. the rhetoric does reming me of their "cannot confirm nor deny" cross faction guild talks around 9.2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Altho true, Ebyssian feels like a true tauren rather then a dragon. He also gives me Baine vibes.
    I'm kind of hoping future content gives us a chance to see Ebyssian well and truly pissed off - choke-slamming Iridikron perhaps, or just being a little less than conciliatory with his brothers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Its kinda weird wrathion acts like this the whole time, with all the things he did in the past stories you would think, he would act a little different, but hes back with hes teenage attitude.
    Wrathion's had a little development, but not enough to overcome his intrinsic immaturity, would seem. Got to remember that on his reintroduction to WoW since MoP back in BfA his first action was to be flippant about the consequences of his actions in causing the Legion invasion and the death of Anduin's father, for which he was duly punched in the face. He's a little better than the tyke-bomb he was in MoP, but not much.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    The people complaining about Wrathion's characterization in DF compared to BFA I think aren't remembering BFA correctly. Even if N'zoth died fairly easily to him, and Wrathion was fairly calm and collected as a quest giver, he still had his usual characterization. If anything between Cata, Mists and BFA and DF he acts the least like himself in BFA and you can chalk that up to him getting the "main quest giver" bat where they are usually subdued and can't do much of anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    I'm kind of hoping future content gives us a chance to see Ebyssian well and truly pissed off - choke-slamming Iridikron perhaps, or just being a little less than conciliatory with his brothers.
    Wrathion and Sabellian are working on their character development. But Ebyssian's flaw is that he pretty much never did anything. He even admitted to it when he was talking with Emberthal. So he should get angry at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    The people complaining about Wrathion's characterization in DF compared to BFA I think aren't remembering BFA correctly. Even if N'zoth died fairly easily to him, and Wrathion was fairly calm and collected as a quest giver, he still had his usual characterization. If anything between Cata, Mists and BFA and DF he acts the least like himself in BFA and you can chalk that up to him getting the "main quest giver" bat where they are usually subdued and can't do much of anything.
    Honestly you could just chalk it up to wrathion taking the old gods more seriously then any thing else so he’s less flippant but after dealing with N’zoth and proving him self he’s just bad to how he was in mop which is his actual personality.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I actually feel like a dumbass for not realizing this, but Vakthros is LITERALLY a "mage tower" (at least with the Arcane connection) and it would explain the "class weapons" that have been datamined this patch. Vakthros would make perfect sense as the Mage Tower 2.0 location and the class themed weapons are likely the reward.
    .
    I never considered this either but its a good point. Also could explain why the werebear was seemingly updated for no reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Wrathion and Sabellian are working on their character development. But Ebyssian's flaw is that he pretty much never did anything. He even admitted to it when he was talking with Emberthal. So he should get angry at some point.
    I can see it as a combination of both repressed shame and genuine rage, basically boiling over his typically calm demeanor and complacency. There are quite a few ways it could happen - I could see it easily if one of the Incarnates hurt Wrathion, Sabellian, or even Emberthal.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

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    Black Dragons- Aberrus
    Blue Dragons- Vakthros
    Bronze Dragons- Time Building
    Green Dragons- Emerald Dream/World Tree

    Red Dragons- ????? (I guess they could also be the Dream because Ysera/Alex are sisters and both are Life oriented?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Black Dragons- Aberrus
    Blue Dragons- Vakthros
    Bronze Dragons- Time Building
    Green Dragons- Emerald Dream/World Tree

    Red Dragons- ????? (I guess they could also be the Dream because Ysera/Alex are sisters and both are Life oriented?)
    10.3 - Alex purges (some of) the corruption from Azeroth, and brings new life into a world nearly overrun by its enemies. WORLD REVAMP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Black Dragons- Aberrus
    Blue Dragons- Vakthros
    Bronze Dragons- Time Building
    Green Dragons- Emerald Dream/World Tree

    Red Dragons- ????? (I guess they could also be the Dream because Ysera/Alex are sisters and both are Life oriented?)
    Ruby Life Pools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Imma say this rn...

    Remember that guy who claimed 11.0 may be Elemental related, with 12.0 being Alliance/Horde and Sha related, same with 13.0 but with a Void Lord?

    I'm still calling BS on his theories, unless 11.0 truly is elemental in any way, which is possible but doubtful...

    I kinda don't want to face a Void Lord/The Void Lords in 13.0 or anything like that. Would rather face them later on.
    Dragonflight has elements as its second theme after dragons and Cataclysm was THE elemental expansion. There's zero chance 11.0 will be Elements again, I think a "War of Light and Void" story is more likely with an exploration on Azeroth theme overall.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Red Dragonflight- Ruby Life Pools, I guess?
    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    Ruby Life Pools.
    I meant patch area expansions, do you think there could be more to the Pools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Dragonflight has elements as its second theme after dragons and Cataclysm was THE elemental expansion. There's zero chance 11.0 will be Elements again, I think a "War of Light and Void" story is more likely with an exploration on Azeroth theme overall.


    I meant patch area expansions, do you think there could be more to the Pools?
    That's just straight out of a recent T&E video, though.

    What IS interesting, however, is this:

    World of Warcraft

    The Disorder (Fel) Trilogy - We travelled into the realm of Disorder (Twisting Nether, i.e. Mac'Aree) to end this cosmic threat.
    The Burning Crusade
    Warlords of Draenor
    Legion

    The Death Trilogy - We travelled into the realm of Death (Shadowlands) to end this cosmic threat.
    Wrath of the Lich King
    Battle for Azeroth
    Shadowlands

    The Shadow (Void) Trilogy - Where will we travel to end this threat? Literally into the Void? Or does the Void come to us?
    Cataclysm
    Dragonflight
    11.0

    (Yes, MoP was just a big goofy adventure and not part of anything else directly.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post

    (Yes, MoP was just a big goofy adventure and not part of anything else directly.)
    Because Garrosh had NOTHING to do with void and Old Gods

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post

    The Shadow (Void) Trilogy - Where will we travel to end this threat? Literally into the Void? Or does the Void come to us?
    Cataclysm
    Dragonflight
    11.0

    (Yes, MoP was just a big goofy adventure and not part of anything else directly.)
    I think Void and Light will be dealt with roughly at the same time and will share expansions. They are already building up the cast of antagonists on each side:

    Void: Xal, Azshara
    Light: Yrel, New Scarlets, Lothraxion (working for Denathrius), Turalyon(???)
    Wild Cards: Murozond, Denathrius (moving him here)

    I doubt they will ever do an expansion like Shadowlands again where it's strictly one realm and one theme until the end.

    Also I feel like Dragonflight shouldn't be a part of a "Void" trilogy when it's just one patch and is just a reminder of who Deathwing/N'zoths masters are and were.
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