The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[vintage79]

[TeamWorldRevamp]

All I want to know from deep dive is if we will get regular content patches, so every expansion will have 2 more raids besides basic one and new features.
If yes, then it's all right.
If not, then they sell us glorified patches 90$ per each.
Metzen tried to sell the idea of the story being too big for one expansion, but from the description of each expansion they seem lightweight on story and characters.
Three main characters for the first expansion.
Basically just Quelthalas for second one.
Northrend for third.
This sounds very sketchy. Nothing In them sound like something that in combination would be too big for one expansion. In fact by the description all three would have fit into whole Legion expansion, except cost 90$x3.

Even MoP features trailer was better than the crap we got yesterday. https://youtu.be/nyeZ8khSEC0?t=63

[Viridiel]

Because the concepts we are shown don't all sound like full expansions. This coupled with Dragonflight ending with Amirdrassil despite evidently having no production issues like WoD or SL.

A full underground expansion lasting two years would probably feel claustrophobic, and people would be clamoring for the next expansion, and I think Blizzard knows this.

TWW releasing, then one, maybe two raids, then done. Move on to Midnight and Quel'thalas for the same.

As three full expansions lasting six years it would take forever and probably end up really boring. But as three big "patches" of a bigger expansion it makes perfect sense. It's the right amount of time spent in each area, and it's the right amount of time spent on the storyline.

They never reveal the entire expansion. I generally agree that it's a better idea to rethink what an expansion is and cycle through stories faster without feeling the need to milk a story that people aren't feeling, but there's nothing that indicates that's what's happening here. It's fine to assume that's what's going to happen if that's what gets you excited, but the people who are automatically assuming that's what's happening and are dooming over it need to realise that they're making up something to be upset about.

[Teriz]

Even MoP features trailer was better than the crap we got yesterday. https://youtu.be/nyeZ8khSEC0?t=63

Uh, it looks on par with MoP feature wise. Further this gets a slight advantage because we got the next two expansions revealed on top of it. 5.4 lasted for over a year.

[Nymrohd]

I am confused people are seeing TWW as filler. It has an entire new game mode that is its own separate progression path and is going to be evergreen. That is as big as M+.
It has hero talents which absolutely are as big as artifact weapons only again will be evergreen; it is unclear how ambitious these will be since Dark Ranger, Mountain Thane and Farseer and Keeper of the Grove absolutely sound like Class Skins while Colossus and Slayer sounds like nothing but those may be placeholders so I am just waiting for the Deep Dive and hoping we get more info on it. If they are as ambitious as SoD runes are (which turn mages to healers and shaman, warlock and rogues to tanks) then they will also be extremely impactful in gameplay.
And then it has probably the biggest QoL improvements any expac has ever had with warbands.

The other content is standard fare.

[Fahrad Wagner]

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this is amazing haha

[Jaggler]

I am confused people are seeing TWW as filler. It has an entire new game mode that is its own separate progression path and is going to be evergreen. That is as big as M+.
It has hero talents which absolutely are as big as artifact weapons only again will be evergreen; it is unclear how ambitious these will be since Dark Ranger, Mountain Thane and Farseer and Keeper of the Grove absolutely sound like Class Skins while Colossus and Slayer sounds like nothing but those may be placeholders so I am just waiting for the Deep Dive and hoping we get more info on it. If they are as ambitious as SoD runes are (which turn mages to healers and shaman, warlock and rogues to tanks) then they will also be extremely impactful in gameplay.
And then it has probably the biggest QoL improvements any expac has ever had with warbands.

The other content is standard fare.

"We don't want cosmic, but everything below defeating Sargeras is filler"

[Reive]

Okay, interviews confirmed a new BG so even those people can shut it. Also Earthen will have the same classes available as Dwarves, minus the Shaman. That is okay. Waiting for the racials.

link?

/10chars

[Sondrelk]

How can you look at the TWW zones and feel "claustrophobic".

The only place, that looks mostly dark and cramped is the Nerubian zone and even that one seems to have light places. (And I say that as someone who is skepitcal about underground places)

If you break it down, every sequence of expansions sounds like patches. Like I can sum up MoP-WoD-and Legion with "Garrosh wages war, flees to Draenor in the past, where Gul'dan unleashes the Legion who we then beat definitively".

It doesn't look claustrophobic now because it's new. But just like how Maldraxxus looked amazing to start with, but became really grating after a while I think the same would happen for an Underground expansion that lasts a full two years.

Also, I might be proven wrong on this as more stuff gets revealed. But I don't feel TWW has enough meat to sustain a full two year expansion cycle. Going by my gut feeling I am thinking three seasons in an annual expansion cycle.
For TWW we have Azj'Kahet for the first raid, and then something Titan related for the second, and then a fated season to end with.
For Midnight we have a Troll raid, then a Sunwell raid.
And for TLT we have Harrowsdeep and Ulduar.

Again might just be my gut feeling on how this works. But that feels like the route they are going to take.
We know Annual expansions are likely predicted to be more profitable. And honestly I think it's better for the overall game to have stronger expansion themes over a shorter time period. Rather than what we currently have where there are locations that are either too broad to properly fit into one expansion, or too specific to stretch out.

[Grimbold21]

Okay, interviews confirmed a new BG so even those people can shut it. Also Earthen will have the same classes available as Dwarves, minus the Shaman. That is okay. Waiting for the racials.

Huh? Really? A race of dwarves inhabitting the core of the world has no connection whatsoever to the elements? Huh?

[Makabreska]

I am confused people are seeing TWW as filler.

Same shit every time. Peeps keep calling an expansion "filler", simply because they don't like what they see, not because of the amount of content. We had the same song and dance for over 10y now, and the word has completely lost it's original meaning.

[pacotaco]

I think Xal'atath will survive TWW and most likely be a final raid boss in Midnight (if not final expac boss)

Xal will surely play the same role as Iridikron did in DF, leading to Midnight and going down in that expansion, yeah.

[Jodmos]

link?

/10chars

Don't think that's right. Interview I read about had all but Druid, Demon Hunter and Evoker.

[Wangming]

I am confused people are seeing TWW as filler. It has an entire new game mode that is its own separate progression path and is going to be evergreen. That is as big as M+.
It has hero talents which absolutely are as big as artifact weapons only again will be evergreen; it is unclear how ambitious these will be since Dark Ranger, Mountain Thane and Farseer and Keeper of the Grove absolutely sound like Class Skins while Colossus and Slayer sounds like nothing but those may be placeholders so I am just waiting for the Deep Dive and hoping we get more info on it. If they are as ambitious as SoD runes are (which turn mages to healers and shaman, warlock and rogues to tanks) then they will also be extremely impactful in gameplay.
And then it has probably the biggest QoL improvements any expac has ever had with warbands.

The other content is standard fare.

Oh absolutely I think these new features are great. Earthen is not my cup of tea, but I guess it fits the expansion theme the most. I hope the World Soul Saga will come with a fan favorite race eventually, but i think the start is promising.
In fact between this and SoD I am actually tempted to come back to wow.

[Xilurm]

If it's our first look at Void Hunters, then that hero spec will already be one of the most popular.

The idea of a Void-wielding hunter who infuses their arrow attacks with shadow energy will be one of the most popular hero talents.

Dark Rangers can have their fun with summoning a zombie puppy like in Legion.

Yeah but what do you think about the design? I think the hair is a bit edgy, but that's just me.

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This was maybe unnoticed but this screenshot suggests Dracthyrs will be opened up to new classes. This level 13 is wearing like 10.2 transmog and carrying a dagger on the side. Druid or rogue?

https://media.mmo-champion.com/image...r/wowwnp09.jpg

I'm more concerned that someone had the audacity to shave off that Dracthyr's horns.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

it is unclear how ambitious these will be since Dark Ranger, Mountain Thane and Farseer and Keeper of the Grove absolutely sound like Class Skins while Colossus and Slayer sounds like nothing but those may be placeholders so I am just waiting for the Deep Dive and hoping we get more info on it.

Im waiting for deep dive too and i hope there will be lost of new info instead of recapping what already has been said.
I play mostly warriors and slayer/colossus hero kinda sound boring on paper when it comes to the names, with mountain thane you have something similar to mountain king so there's this "hero" flavour that sounds similar.

Instead of slayer and colossus, wouldn't something like "warlord", "Berserker", "blademaster" or "gladiator" sound better?

Waiting to hear more about these 2, because the names don't sound that exciting, but still might be cool when it comes to gameplay, hopefully.

[Varodoc]

Yeah but what do you think about the design? I think the hair is a bit edgy, but that's just me.

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I'm more concerned that someone had the audacity to shave off that Dracthyr's horns.

Love the armour style and bow, much more elegant than her previous attire.

The hairstyle is supposed to make her look "wild" because that was always her character concept (and of the entire Farstriders, compared to the rest of Thalassian society).

Now I just hope Umbric doesn't get forgotten and gets a new model too.

[Floot]

Huh? Really? A race of dwarves inhabitting the core of the world has no connection whatsoever to the elements? Huh?

Makes sense since the Titans and Elements are rivals. These earthen are still followers of the Titans after all.

[Wangming]

Im waiting for deep dive too and i hope there will be lost of new info instead of recapping what already has been said.
I play mostly warriors and slayer and colossus kinda sound boring on paper when it comes to the names, with mountain thane you have something similar to mountain king so there's this "hero" flavour that sounds similar.

Instead of slayer and colossus, wouldn't something like "warlord", "Berserker", "blademaster" or "gladiator" sound better?

Waiting to hear more about these 2, because just names don't sound that exciting.

I might be the same issue as Artifact Weapons. You know, there isn't enough cool lore weapons for every spec. Same with these hero talents, I suppose. Like, I have no bloody idea what the monk talents will be called. While I also think Blademaster should be a thing, I have a suspicion that most of these hero talents will be brand new. Things like Far Seer and Dark Ranger will be the hook, but we will mostly see new names.

[Xilurm]

Okay, interviews confirmed a new BG so even those people can shut it. Also Earthen will have the same classes available as Dwarves, minus the Shaman. That is okay. Waiting for the racials.

But why tho? Lore reasons? Or because they didn't want to make new totems yet.