The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[huth]

Am I the only one here who expects the expansion that opens with the sword would have us do something involving the sword? Is the sword really just the setting for cinematic? The idea of that would be wild. It's like if after the Dragonflight cinematic they announced the actual expansion would take place on the moon.

Yes, it is. Maybe you should actually listen to what Thrall says. The sword has played it's role. It's not important anymore.

[Jekyll]

I’m very interested to find out more about the hero talents.
The Shaman and Mage ones are intriguing.

TBH, this is the only thing that interests me. If there's a talent for Pack Master to have all of their pets have the Ferocity, Tenacity and Cunning buffs (Max HP, Leech and Movement Speed), and be able to match all of our animal companions and dire beasts, I would definitely be going to purchase the game just for that.

[Ersula]

I think Silithus and the sword will play a big part in the three upcoming expansions, and it'll only get dealt with on the last one.

The one set in Northrend? Nah, I'm counting on the entire reason Dorn is set swimming distance from Silithus is because its going to be a patch zone.

[Stonecloak]

If so, that's not really a revamp in the sense Ersula is trying to push. A hypothetical second Cataclysm style revamp won't involve a Silithus zone that's 80% a giant doodad.

It might be that big. Silithus isn't exactly dense with questing areas. A revamp wouldn't be that big a deal imo. I do fully expect there to be events that happen there, and them to be pretty epic and central to the story.

[Vakir]

It might be that big. Silithus isn't exactly dense with questing areas. A revamp wouldn't be that big a deal imo. I do fully expect there to be events that happen there, and them to be pretty epic and central to the story.

That's the thing - it was a lazy update in Cata. It doesn't have to be lacking in density or relevance.

The qiraji and the entire lore of that area including elements and whatnot could be so much more.

I doubt they're putting a LOT into it. MAYBE they will update the terrain slightly near the impact.

[Ersula]

If so, that's not really a revamp in the sense Ersula is trying to push. A hypothetical second Cataclysm style revamp won't involve a Silithus zone that's 80% a giant doodad.

I also made this point. In my theorized patch zone. Silithus, Ungoro & Uldum would be rolled into one zone. Even with all those three they would be tiny for a modern zone. The part with the sword really is just a space for the doodad.

[Nebron]

Same, but after that interview from Maria Hamilton it kind of diluted my hype. Imagine saying you're going back to Quel'Thalas for something epic, and when asked if the zone will be revamped they tell you "expect a fresh coat of paint". Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it's kind of underwhelming. Hopefully Midnight won't be and it will be cool, but yeah

I think they are 100% revamping the zones. It might have been an unfortunate misspeak on her side, but I believe they are reshaping the northren part of Eastern Kingdoms into a kingdom of Quel'thalas with some additions like Amani region being troll influenced perhaps. Yesterday someone wrote about an idea of zones changing from light to void theme, so also maybe something like that?

Since the emphasis is put very strongly on Quel'thalas and the Sunwell, it's guaranteed it will be blood elves, ren'dorei and other "tribes" centered.

Partial revamps is a safe and logical way to rebuild the world without risking too many resources for an uncertain level of success, I guess. The thing to remember is to avoid coupling revamp with a specific, storydriven theme, like Cataclysm did.

[Vakir]

I also made this point. In my theorized patch zone. Silithus, Ungoro & Uldum would be rolled into one zone. Even with all those three they would be tiny for a modern zone. The part with the sword really is just a space for the doodad.

Kind of a waste for the stuff specific to Silithus, then, if it never changed.

Yesterday someone wrote about an idea of zones changing from light to void theme, so also maybe something like that?

This is how misinformation spreads. They were talking about Hallowfall, I believe.

Disregard! You were talking about "an idea" on here for that expac, my mistake.

[Gurahk]

The one set in Northrend? Nah, I'm counting on the entire reason Dorn is set swimming distance from Silithus is because its going to be a patch zone.

We don't know if the actual expansion will be set in Northrend, only that it starts there with Ulduar. Technically Shadowlands also started in Northrend.

[Ersula]

Kind of a waste for the stuff specific to Silithus, then, if it never changed.

Anyone wanting to hurt the world soul would be trying to use it for that purpose. That's what it was made for, and is the premise of the expansion. If you were Xal'atath would you really just ignore it?

We don't know if the actual expansion will be set in Northrend, only that it starts there with Ulduar. Technically Shadowlands also started in Northrend.

Metzen said Northrend, not Ulduar.

[Stonecloak]

That's the thing - it was a lazy update in Cata. It doesn't have to be lacking in density or relevance.

The qiraji and the entire lore of that area including elements and whatnot could be so much more.

I doubt they're putting a LOT into it. MAYBE they will update the terrain slightly near the impact.

Possibly, it could be more centered directly around the sword.

[Vakir]

Anyone wanting to hurt the world soul would be trying to use it for that purpose. That's what it was made for, and is the premise of the expansion. If you were Xal'atath would you really just ignore it?

I'm talking about a post-revamp Silithus, Ersula. Keep up.

An ostensible next 20 years Silithus wouldn't have the damn sword in it.

Metzen said Northrend, not Ulduar.

?????

We return to the old world of Northrend and travel to Ulduar to witness the return of the Titans.

They're describing a series of steps and events. "Over the meadow and through the woods to grandmother's house we go" doesn't mean I plan to spend 12 hours in the meadow.

[Zaganite]

Allied race because you need to encounter them first, grind rep to them etc. and then unlock aka ally them. Unlike a new race that just pops up as playable from the get go, like Dracthyr.

Think I saw no rep grind for them and we unlock it as part of the story/campaign (probably mid to last chapter)

[Ersula]

I'm talking about a post-revamp Silithus, Ersula. Keep up.

An ostensible next 20 years Silithus wouldn't have the damn sword in it.

You keep up: The zones are never going to be evergreen: They have to relate to the current plot. They're only going to be updated in relation to the current storyline going on. Then if people are still playing in another 20 years they'll update them again.

So if they're doing a story about Azeroth itself, that is when you update Azeroth.

[Vakir]

You keep up: The zones are never going to be evergreen: They have to relate to the current plot. They're only going to be updated in relation to the current plot. Then if people are still playing in another 20 years they'll update them again.

...the entire inciting point of this discussion was zones being updated gradually to a point where they will be changed in preparation for a more full revamp.

If Silithus gets an update, I'm talking about the form in which it would exist in the next iteration of its questing area.

If they updated it only for it to just be the exact same status as it would be with the sword on it, that kinda kills the whole "next 20 years."

So if they're doing a story about Azeroth itself, that is when you update Azeroth.

So, probably closer to 13.0 then.

[Cheezits]

We probably won't get a Silithus update, but the last zone will be as close to the World Soul as possible... so likely underneath Silithus and the Chamber of Heart.

[Vakir]

The description of Magni's character from the panel has death flags all over it, incidentally.

He's gonna sacrifice himself to seal Azeroth's soul off so the Chamber of Heart isn't super easy to use as an in during the pre-expansion (and also so we get rid of a character that can really, really easily explain everything because he has a direct phone line to her).

[Cheezits]

The description of Magni's character from the panel has death flags all over it, incidentally.

He's gonna sacrifice himself to seal Azeroth's soul off so the Chamber of Heart isn't super easy to use as an in during the pre-expansion (and also so we get rid of a character that can really, really easily explain everything because he has a direct phone line to her).

That makes a lot of sense. Or he seals himself away with her.

He's far too OP of a character for this saga.

OH LOL OOPS

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...75086948380995

[Vakir]

OH LOL OOPS

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...75086948380995

Truly shocking. Truly, truly shocking.

Who could possibly have seen this coming.

It is a true mystery what could happen to Magni.

Yay for Moira getting something to fucking do. I still remember that awkward "Power of Warcraft's Women!!!" panel where they were really stereotypical towards her VA about being Scottish and ignored that she was almost completely fucking irrelevant to BFA and the irony was not lost on them at all.

[Merryck]

That makes a lot of sense. Or he seals himself away with her.

He's far too OP of a character for this saga.

OH LOL OOPS

https://twitter.com/Portergauge/stat...75086948380995

He was a good one.