The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[NelfMohawk]

Well clearly they bring utility if Mountain Thane turned Storm Bolt into an AOE, that's massive utility stunning everyone around

Gotcha, I think I missed that one. Regardless it's a very cool system it seems.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Listening to what Metzen said, we might just loose in Midnight, which is entirely why we'd need to go to Ulduar to get the titans to return. They will need to come back to retake control of the planet.

It could be the other, as of yet unknown threat that the Jailer alluded to at the end of Shadowlands.

[Cheezits]

According to Chris Metzen, that's what happens in Midnight. "You will make your stand with the forces of the Light and banish the shadow forever!". It's going to deliver on the final future war that was promised at the start of Legion.

I forgot he said that. I can believe it, though with only one Void Lord named even now, I assume they will still meddle to some capacity. Unless Midnight gives us a whole villain council in the form of the Void Lords.

Or, through some time wackiness/Void shenanigans, Xal/Iridikron/Azshara/Dimensius/Denathrius? ARE and ALWAYS HAVE BEEN the void lords.

[Dismayxz]

It's possible the heroic talents might have the ability to turn specs into support somewhat. Not saying this is the purpose, but rather it might be more than just some skin.

I mean theoretically some Speccs already bring Support, it's just not all the Classes or Speccs are about. And because often it suffices to just have one of them around, you don't typically see Tools attribute these things to the Buffer, at the expense of the receiver. Battle Shout would bring effective Raid DPS Contribution for that one singular Warrior further up the Totem Pole by a mile, especially with a more Melee Heavy (+Hunter) Composition. Same with the DH and Monk Debuffs. Depending on how balance turns out at any given time, CC in itself is utility support. When rogues don't outright burst your ass to the moon, guess what keeps them competitively on the board in PvP? Their obnoxious amount of CC capability. They don't always have to just do damage. Same with M+, who cares if you do 10-20k less overall, if you can just Kidney the fuck out of dangerous mobs in bigger pulls and increase the group's capability to survive spicier stuff.

Hitting a dummy with buffs, then doing it without them often shows how absolutely god awful some Speccs are on their own, who are otherwise, in a proper Raid or group comp scenario, absolutely busted. You can loose more from not having Windfury atm. on both Warrior Speccs, than some weapon upgrades would give you.

[KayRule]

It's very clear with the direction Metzen is taking the story, especially the next 3 expansions, we're not really going to be dealing with more First Ones shit, thank god.

Despite Shadowlands being the "culmination" of the Warcraft saga, and being their "Avengers Infinity War", Metzen basically outright said this saga will be instead. It's very clear all that garbage is being swept under the rug.

[Keyalios]

I legit hope we get to ally with Xal in some way/shape/form. She and Denathrius are some of the most fun characters and while this is the final set of expacs of the first 20, maybe 25 years (quarter century!) we need some left over, whether it's truly WoW2 or just more expacs.

[Dismayxz]

It could be the other, as of yet unknown threat that the Jailer alluded to at the end of Shadowlands.

Also tracks with Iridikrons goals, and Murozond's death quote mentioning Aman'thul and what he has seen come to pass, that would make him go and try to make End Times happen instead. It's all relatively open enough to speculate on already. Iridikron clearly gave the Essence of Galakrond to Xal, since she now has it. He's nowhere to be found. Wasn't Anduin super old in that Legion comic, guess they are shifting the confrontation forward, or it's actually not THAT particular confrontation, since Anduin in that Comic is also on what seems like the Exodar or another Draenei Ship? - He does say BANISH, as opposed to defeat, or conquer or anything that sounds permanent. I guess by the end of Midnight, we'll have banished the Void from ever accessing Azeroth again. And since it feels like this Trilogy sets up the Titan "Threat", the goal is to get some grounded Azeroth stuff for three Expansions, do some revamps along the way, then go onto the Cosmic themes with more context. It seems like, by "The Final Titan", we'll have dealt with the Void incursions to Azeroth for good, but we'll get the Iridikron payoff of getting the attention of the titans, and that mixed with World Soul story progression will turn into Aman'thul showing his true colors?

[Cheezits]

First interview out.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Forum:...nterview_notes

Warbound items that can be shared between Warband alts. No 10.3. New BG in TWW. Share gold/currencies/mats in Warband. Delves have a customizable mount.

Also cross-realm guilds!

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Also tracks with Iridikrons goals, and Murozond's death quote mentioning Aman'thul and what he has seen come to pass, that would make him go and try to make End Times happen instead. It's all relatively open enough to speculate on already. Iridikron clearly gave the Essence of Galakrond to Xal, since she now has it. He's nowhere to be found. Wasn't Anduin super old in that Legion comic, guess they are shifting the confrontation forward, or it's actually not THAT particular confrontation, since Anduin in that Comic is also on what seems like the Exodar or another Draenei Ship? - He does say BANISH, as opposed to defeat, or conquer or anything that sounds permanent. I guess by the end of Midnight, we'll have banished the Void from ever accessing Azeroth again. And since it feels like this Trilogy sets up the Titan "Threat", the goal is to get some grounded Azeroth stuff for three Expansions, do some revamps along the way, then go onto the Cosmic themes with more context. It seems like, by "The Final Titan", we'll have dealt with the Void incursions to Azeroth for good, but we'll get the Iridikron payoff of getting the attention of the titans, and that mixed with World Soul story progression will turn into Aman'thul showing his true colors?

My guess is that Anduin is rapidly aging in other dimensions outside of Azeroth, similar to how Turalyon was fighting for a long time out in the cosmos as apart of the Army of Light, or how time in the Shadowlands flows faster than in Azeroth. So he will be old by the time of the final battle in Midnight. We also just had a 5 year timeskip in between Shadowlands and Dragonflight, and if there are more timeskips between Dragonflight and TWW and Midnight then that helps too.

[Dismayxz]

My guess is that Anduin is rapidly aging in other dimensions outside of Azeroth, similar to how Turalyon was fighting for a long time out in the cosmos as apart of the Army of Light, or how time in the Shadowlands flows faster than in Azeroth. So he will be old by the time of the final battle in Midnight. We also just had a 5 year timeskip in between Shadowlands and Dragonflight, and if there are more timeskips between Dragonflight and TWW and Midnight then that helps too.

Yeah the thought just crossed my mind. With how grey he's gotten in that Comic, though, my money would be on your route, not the time skips. There's only so many years they can skip ahead everytime without showing us what goes down inbetween. A book wouldn't exactly count, since a lot of people don't get those. We'd need short stories, little tidbits, something that keeps us up to date with the years that pass.

[Nightshade711]

You know, the Earthen Machinespeakers could let them be a certain theoretical class in the future…

[Foolicious]

What about weapon transmog restrictions?
No changes from things like wands to one-handed maces. There's been talk of expanding which classes can wield which weapons, as many Trading Post weapons can't be used for all classes.

I really hope they give clothies polearms and glaives to the meeles. Oh, and maybe open up daggers and maces for the ones currently unable to use them. If you can summon infernals from the sky you should be able to bonk someone with a hammer.

[KyleEverett]

No Spec reworks

Any big playstyle shifts coming in WW?
Right now goal is shipping the best hero talents we can ship, no plans on big baseline class changes. The work of class gameplay/balance is never done, and there will be a few talent changes here/there rather than making big changes.

[Nibelheimy]

According to Chris Metzen, that's what happens in Midnight. "You will make your stand with the forces of the Light and banish the shadow forever!". It's going to deliver on the final future war that was promised at the start of Legion.

He does then immediately go on to say...

"Of course, blizzcon, it is Azeroth. Things may not go to plan, things may just spiral wildly out of control, leading us to.. The third part of the World Soul Saga, WoW The Last Titan."

Sounds pretty clearly, we may loose in some sense, leading us to Ulduar to call the titans back.

[Alixie]

Because wowhead is ran by butthurt thought police, I'll repost my reaction here.

>bearded women
>dorfs as a "new" race
>1 expansion broken into 3, $50 DLCs with sub fees

Metzen can bring the hype, but this is not the return to form he promised.

They should have come out of the gate with Light Vs Shadow and uniting the elves. No, I dont care if that makes me a basic bitch. Most people like elves and their lore, and religions that revolve around the Light/Shadow are just as popular. Imagine if they pulled a Legion where everyone can wield the Ashbringer because paladins are now available to all races.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

>1 expansion broken into 3, $50 DLCs with sub fees

Agreed about the earthen being a disappointing new race, but how is it 1 expansion broken into 3, though? TWW is coming with 4 zones, possibly another patch zone. Contrast that with Shadowlands and Dragonflight where we only got 4 questing zones and then 1 or 2 patch zones. That's roughly the same. Even if TWW doesn't have any patch zones, that's still not "one expansion broken into 3".

[Well Done Steak]

According to interview someone asked if tauren will be DH in the future. They said goal is to let people express themselves.

Then they said more classes are coming in the future!

Oh and earthen can be everything minus druid, Dh, and evoker

[Throren]

Because wowhead is ran by butthurt thought police, I'll repost my reaction here.

>bearded women
>dorfs as a "new" race
>1 expansion broken into 3, $50 DLCs with sub fees

Metzen can bring the hype, but this is not the return to form he promised.

They should have come out of the gate with Light Vs Shadow and uniting the elves. No, I dont care if that makes me a basic bitch. Most people like elves and their lore, and religions that revolve around the Light/Shadow are just as popular. Imagine if they pulled a Legion where everyone can wield the Ashbringer because paladins are now available to all races.

You got promised basically an entire Quel' Thalas revamp and belf themed expansion, how about you let us dwarf fans have something for once since they have never been a main focus for an xpac in well.....ever. Instead of the 30 millionth elf centric expansion in a row. Hell even in the "dwarf" expac, the main "protagonist" of the plot still seems to be an elf! (Alleria)

Get ye gone with yer bearded racism!

[Keyalios]

First interview out.

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Forum:...nterview_notes

Warbound items that can be shared between Warband alts. No 10.3. New BG in TWW. Share gold/currencies/mats in Warband. Delves have a customizable mount.

Also cross-realm guilds!

LMAO got downvoted on reddit for saying it was clear the shared rep would only be for new reps. Sure enough.

I would like past expansion shared reps but... how would Aldor v Scryer for instance work?

[Polybius]

Because wowhead is ran by butthurt thought police, I'll repost my reaction here.

>bearded women
>dorfs as a "new" race
>1 expansion broken into 3, $50 DLCs with sub fees

Metzen can bring the hype, but this is not the return to form he promised.

They should have come out of the gate with Light Vs Shadow and uniting the elves. No, I dont care if that makes me a basic bitch. Most people like elves and their lore, and religions that revolve around the Light/Shadow are just as popular. Imagine if they pulled a Legion where everyone can wield the Ashbringer because paladins are now available to all races.

Yeah bearded dwarves, like the original lore. This is return to form, lol

I'd rather they get straight to the point. 3 DLCs back to back means they can tell the longer story we care about, with no going off-rails for mid-patches.