The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Dhomeli]

cata - wow is done
mop - nutz wow is done
wod - this is it - wow is gone
legion - they just bring ilidan kekw
bfa - wow is dead
sl - wow is dead
df - wow is disney

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Pretty much. I know several people that viewed Wrath as the end of WoW. Like legitimately were like “Arthas is dead, they should’ve just stopped there.” And here we are 7 expansions later. The way Metzen talked about setting up the next 20 years in these next 3 expansions tells me we’ll not only have an epic saga, but we’ll see the start of many new story threads they will be able to pick up following The Last Titan.

[blaatschaap]

Pretty much. I know several people that viewed Wrath as the end of WoW. Like legitimately were like “Arthas is dead, they should’ve just stopped there.” And here we are 7 expansions later. The way Metzen talked about setting up the next 20 years in these next 3 expansions tells me we’ll not only have an epic saga, but we’ll see the start of many new story threads they will be able to pick up following The Last Titan.

Certainly hope so. No other fantasy world speaks to me like the world of warcraft does. I believe Metzen when he says they're not messing around

[AOL Instant Messenger]

One thing I'm interested in are the Arathi. They seem markedly more advanced than the other human kingdoms, and I wonder if they're sort of going down the same path the draenei did under the influence of the naaru. I hope they wind up producing an allied race or something of the sort, since they're frankly the most interesting new addition to the lore for me alongside the implications of the new nerubian kingdom.

I am also inclined to wonder precisely why there are nerubians here: did they flee the Scourge? Were they a colony from before that time? Was the mutative influence of Yogg-Saron on a different Aqir colony projected from the same fissure that replicated the behavioral changes in the earthen, another product of Yogg-Saron?

[Lady Atia]

One thing I'm interested in are the Arathi. They seem markedly more advanced than the other human kingdoms, and I wonder if they're sort of going down the same path the draenei did under the influence of the naaru. I hope they wind up producing an allied race or something of the sort, since they're frankly the most interesting new addition to the lore here.

It seems like they already showed us the concept art for the arathi outworld sets during the presentation - so you will prolly be able to play them using your normal human chars with that transmog. No need to make them a seperate allied race lol.

[Samin]

Pretty much. I know several people that viewed Wrath as the end of WoW. Like legitimately were like “Arthas is dead, they should’ve just stopped there.” And here we are 7 expansions later. The way Metzen talked about setting up the next 20 years in these next 3 expansions tells me we’ll not only have an epic saga, but we’ll see the start of many new story threads they will be able to pick up following The Last Titan.

Not to mention Wrath ruined the game because it made the game too casual. I still remember being a "Wrath baby"

[AOL Instant Messenger]

It seems like they already showed us the concept art for the arathi outworld sets during the presentation - so you will prolly be able to play them using your normal human chars with that transmog. No need to make them a seperate allied race lol.

Definitely interested in the prospects either way. They remind me a bit in theory of the Golden Order from Elden Ring: a technologically-advanced religious civilization influenced by a looming golden object, presumably also of alien origin.

[Jaggler]

Not to mention Wrath ruined the game because it made the game too casual. I still remember being a "Wrath baby"

Yeah, Wrath babies were everywhere.
It's also the expansion where people started using gearscore.

[Houle]

Again, stop the fearmongering because THIS WONT HAPPEN FOR ANOTHER 20 years atleast. Holy Moly.

(And btw, we all saw how great it went for the Diablo franchise to basically kill of D3 and go with Diablo Immortal and D4 , and that wasn't even a MMO with a huge collection)

If you actually think releasing D:I (as much as a pos that "game" is) and D4 was worse for Blizzard than another D3 xpac or whatever, then idk what to tell you dude. Cause thats just factually wrong.

Same thing about WoW...you ACTUALLY believe this game will go another 20 years, same way it did so far? Cause...again, no. The franchise will definitely keep going, and the game as well probably for another decade. But it will either be updated eventually so that its basically WoW 2.0, or it will slowly dribble out, no matter what they do. Which would mean another fresh Warcraft game would take the big spotlight.

[Krakerz]

My guess/hope for what they'll do:

In Midnight they recreate Quel'Thalas at a 1.5x or 2x scale, while adding in an extra zone or two.

Zone 1: Silvermoon+Sunstrider isle+Quel'danas+new area Northeast of Silvermoon
Zone 2: Eversong Woods+Ghostlands
Zone 3: Amani zone
Zone 4: Something

It's gonna in its own instance, and the south will be inaccessible, blocked by fog or an invisible wall. It's gonna be lvl 80-90 content, but you'll still be able to visit the old OG zones by teleporting there (the same way you can visit both old and new Dalaran)


Then, in 14.0, they do a revamped Lordaeron, remaking the zones at a larger scale to match. Alterac Valley is added into the main world at its current size and the world around is rebuilt to match its scale. This new revamped Lordaeron will be connected to the revamped Quel'Thalas and you'll be able to fly between them at will.


Continue until you have the entire old world remade at a bigger scale that better matches the lore size,

[huth]

After Blizzcon I think there will be WoW2 around 2030 and one thing I'm sure about is that I'm not doomer.

First, it will be time to switch 25+ year old engine. You think they are gonna remake 1500 mounts, 3000 pets and bazylion transmog pieces?

WoW has a 25 year old engine in the same way you're still using your great-great-great-grandfather's axe. And if they don't, then they might as well not bother.

The whole "WoW2" thing is bullshit. There's no real point to making a sequel to an MMO except pulling money out of pockets.

[Joszef Kiprich]

If you think WoW is still using the exact same engine as 20nyears ago, you're probably viewing this website on your Nokia.

[Makorus]

WoW has a 25 year old engine in the same way you're still using your great-great-great-grandfather's axe. And if they don't, then they might as well not bother.

The whole "WoW2" thing is bullshit. There's no real point to making a sequel to an MMO except pulling money out of pockets.

Or alienating the vast majority of the playerbase by drastically changing up the core gameplay.

[huth]

If you think WoW is still using the exact same engine as 20nyears ago, you're probably viewing this website on your Nokia.

Hey, at least it's reasonably possible that it would still work. Might have to recharge sometime this decade, though.

[Sondrelk]

My guess/hope for what they'll do:

In Midnight they recreate Quel'Thalas at a 1.5x or 2x scale, while adding in an extra zone or two.

Zone 1: Silvermoon+Sunstrider isle+Quel'danas+new area Northeast of Silvermoon
Zone 2: Eversong Woods+Ghostlands
Zone 3: Amani zone
Zone 4: Something

It's gonna in its own instance, and the south will be inaccessible, blocked by fog or an invisible wall. It's gonna be lvl 80-90 content, but you'll still be able to visit the old OG zones by teleporting there (the same way you can visit both old and new Dalaran)


Then, in 14.0, they do a revamped Lordaeron, remaking the zones at a larger scale to match. Alterac Valley is added into the main world at its current size and the world around is rebuilt to match its scale. This new revamped Lordaeron will be connected to the revamped Quel'Thalas and you'll be able to fly between them at will.


Continue until you have the entire old world remade at a bigger scale that better matches the lore size,

My guess would be they revamp everything north of the Thandol Span. Arathi Highlands is already revamped, so that doesnt need much work beyond making a new instance that doesnt cycle between Horde and Alliance. Gilneas could be retaken and maybe be reused for player housing if necessary.
Hinterlands has all the Wildhammer dwarves which could have a small storyline after Dagran becomes king of the Dwarves.
Lordaeron obviously, maybe with the Scarlet Crusade bolstered by the Arathi of Hallowfall.
The Plaguelands to bring in the paladins there, and tie everything related to Quel'danas and the Scourge up in a neat bow.
Then The Ghostlands revamped to not look scourge infested, alongside revamped Eversong Woods to create a cohesive Elvish zone. The isle of Quel'danas being part of the zone, but maybe just as an Elite area to have the entrance to whatever Sunwell raid.

That way you could have four zones. Lordaeron, Eastweald (plaguelands), Arathi, and Quel'Danas. Two strongly themed zones, and two with a bit less thematic heft for variety.
If you need more elven stuff then you could have Azshara show up and take something or other. Probably Arathi. Or even a new zone between EK and the Dragon Isles if you want to leave Arathi Highlands behind in BfA, and maybe use the Hinterlands as an extended Troll zone to not have the Elvish storyline have to share space with Zul'aman.

[Izalla]

Allied race is how the call the races you unlock through playing and not just by buying the expansion.

Ah good point.

[Joszef Kiprich]

I have to say, tWW is growing on me. I'm especially intrigued by Hallowfall.

[Sondrelk]

I have to say, tWW is growing on me. I'm especially intrigued by Hallowfall.

It does look really cool. Like a less depressing looking Revendreth.
Also, for all the complaints that WoW is human centric with Anduin and what not, we have not really had many human themed instances. The most iconic one is probably the Scarlet Crusade and Deadmines, but not much beyond that.

[micwini]

10.1 came out early may and waiting for 10.2 has already felt like a long drag. Equivalent for 10.2 would be 15 may 2024 and that is still 4 months before TWW comes out at the earliest. Fated was fine for a month or 2, but it cannot carry 4-7 months. 10.3 could have easily fit in there.

[pacotaco]

Maybe already posted but

These guys are a splintered group from that kingdom that received a vision about a falling star, and it took them to Harrowfall.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/wowhead...na-wang-335929

So yeah, the crystal is something like the X'era core we retrieved in Legion.

[Raetary]

How the Arathi ended up in Hollowfall is going to be interesting to uncover. But possibly involving travel of time and/or space.

There is no time travel.

These guys are a splintered tribe of the original Arathi Empire from back in the day, before they split into the seven kingdoms that we know of. It was a massive - all of humanity came together in this Empire. And there was a group of them who left and they spawned their own kingdom across the sea. These guys are a splintered group from that kingdom that received a vision about a falling star, and it took them to Harrowfall. And when they found it - you guys saw the key art for it, it's huge, gigantic - these guys are super devoted to the Light. They're like uber Paladins, and it just made sense that if we were going to bring in a group devoted to the Light, to that degree, why not bring in those ancient tribes of humanity that maybe we haven't seen in a hot minute, or heard of in forever? The Arathi have a very interesting history because, like I said, they're kinda like the first Empire of humanity, and it splintered itself in different directions. This is a direction that we're not familiar with.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/wowhead...na-wang-335929