The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

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If you look closer, you'll notice that it's an entire different cape, not just the rings/loops-

I can see the differences, though they're a bit obfuscated by the flat space texture. Prefer the wider one viewed from the back.

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Tbh I'm more looking forward towards Midnight and The Last Titan. It's cool they're making a trilogy but I can't shake the feeling off that if they only had presented tWW it would've been kinda meh. Would look like a bit of filler IMO.

That's my feelings on the matter, as well. TWW definitely feels like another filler expansion, though so have the last few. Still, it's a decent filler expansion as far as I can tell, and I feel better going into it than I did with, say, Shadowlands.

[MCMLXXXII]

Welcome to concept art. It's never exact and just testing out looks.

Fair enough, both versions look cool though.

[Sondrelk]

Tbh I'm more looking forward towards Midnight and The Last Titan. It's cool they're making a trilogy but I can't shake the feeling off that if they only had presented tWW it would've been kinda meh. Would look like a bit of filler IMO.

It almost definitely would have. Expansions as a whole have been "precious" enough that you couldn't waste them on just anything. Not to mention that with Dragonflight being confirmed to end early TWW would probably immediately get written off as filler before whatever 12.0 would be.

By announcing them all at the same time it now feels more like a big expansion, and the fact that TWW is likely going to be shorter than an older expansion can bow be seen as a positive, since it means we will be getting to the juicier bits more quickly.

[ThatJamesGuy]

I can see the differences, though they're a bit obfuscated by the flat space texture. Prefer the wider one viewed from the back.

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That's my feelings on the matter, as well. TWW definitely feels like another filler expansion, though so have the last few. Still, it's a decent filler expansion as far as I can tell, and I feel better going into it than I did with, say, Shadowlands.

I think they've realised that they need another filler expansion to grow the evergreen systems to make the trilogy viable in the way they envision it. So announcing all three gives them the confidence to do it this way without everyone going wow is dead filler expansion?

[Viridiel]

I wonder if Quel'thalas will be just the zones of that kingdom, or if it will include all of EK, or maybe include Lordaeron too? Was Lordaeron Originally Elf land at any point? If so I could see the top half of EK being revamped. Or it may just be Quel with a few new zones added.

Yes, the elves were the first non-troll inhabitants of Lordaeron. They left the area because of the Faceless One in Tirisfal Glades.

Eversong Woods + Ghostlands is half the size of a Dragonflight zone. The Eastweald (now the Plaguelands) could easily be said to be part of Quel'Thalas since it's been unclear in the lore, but you'd have to do a bit of retconning to have Tirisfal Glades be part of Quel'Thalas. They could get away with retconning Lordaeron to be just the name of the city-state, with the entire region it sits in being called Quel'Thalas, but I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense.

But even if they claim more of Lordaeron as being part of Quel'Thalas and expand on Zul'Aman (which should rightly be much larger than it is), I don't see how they could get more than 2 modern-sized zones out of it. I think it's likely that Midnight will be entirely cosmic and Quel'Thalas will be our hub and anchor point from where we travel to zones in the Void.

[zirr]

Tbh I'm more looking forward towards Midnight and The Last Titan. It's cool they're making a trilogy but I can't shake the feeling off that if they only had presented tWW it would've been kinda meh. Would look like a bit of filler IMO.

Agree. 10th expansion, 20 year wow anniversery and 30 year warcraft anniversery and this is what they give us.. a bit underwhelming for sure. No new big feature at all, a few minor QoL impovements and a dwarf reskin allied race.

[AOL Instant Messenger]

Agree. 10th expansion, 20 year wow anniversery and 30 year warcraft anniversery and this is what they give us.. a bit underwhelming for sure. No new big feature at all, a few minor QoL impovements and a dwarf reskin allied race.

Hopefully we'll get a couple more allied races, at least. No clue why they'd introduce humanoid nerubians unless they were planning it. Still, definitely feels like Midnight and The Last Titan are peak concepts that really overshadow TWW.

[Bandit446]

The problems not that the expansion isn't an alright plot or concept. The problem is when you think about it there's not much being added. A dwarf, a delve thing I'll never do. And the new talents sounded cool until you realize it's really just picking 4 more talent points

[Sondrelk]

I can see the differences, though they're a bit obfuscated by the flat space texture. Prefer the wider one viewed from the back.

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That's my feelings on the matter, as well. TWW definitely feels like another filler expansion, though so have the last few. Still, it's a decent filler expansion as far as I can tell, and I feel better going into it than I did with, say, Shadowlands.

To me, the fact that it will likely be something like an annual expansion means it feels closer to the launch of an expansion with a lot of future promise, rather than being filler necessarily. In the same way Legion didn't have a lot of interesting stuff related to the Legion immediately, but you accepted it because you knew you would get to it quickly.

[Annihilas]

Let's recap. World Souls Saga Trilogy
1. War Within - Underground
2. Midnight - Quelthalas of the Past
3. Last Titan - The Titans have come to Ulduar.

How did this person find this out???

[huth]

I think they've realised that they need another filler expansion to grow the evergreen systems to make the trilogy viable in the way they envision it. So announcing all three gives them the confidence to do it this way without everyone going wow is dead filler expansion?

The whole "filler expansion" thing is just bullshit the community came up with. There's not actually such a thing.

And TWW goes directly into a Void expansion when the Nerubians have a deal with Xal'atath, so there's a clear narrative connection already.


Seems more like they realised a single expansion simply isn't enough to tell a proper story, so they deliberately stretched it out over several. TWW is then act 1, Midnight is act 2, TLT is act 3.

Calling TWW filler is then like calling the first third of LotR filler. You don't go full ham in the first act.

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How did this person find this out???

Huh. Did they make the same mistake as Wagner did, or were we too quick to dismiss the idea that Midnight is a time-travel expansion?

[Fahrad Wagner]

Can we all agree that Heritage sets should remain race specific at least? Please?

That yes 100%

[TeamWorldRevamp]

Tbh I'm more looking forward towards Midnight and The Last Titan. It's cool they're making a trilogy but I can't shake the feeling off that if they only had presented tWW it would've been kinda meh. Would look like a bit of filler IMO.

But that's exactly why they had to reveal Midnight and The Last Titan, TWW feels like a huge patch more than a proper XPAC. And despite announcing 3 of them, it still felt underwhelming.
Metzen promised me something epic : It was just anduin whining in the sand.

[MCMLXXXII]

How did this person find this out???

Isn't Quel'Thalas from the past though. But IIRC it's was a translator accidentally leaking it right before the announcement.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Tbh I'm more looking forward towards Midnight and The Last Titan. It's cool they're making a trilogy but I can't shake the feeling off that if they only had presented tWW it would've been kinda meh. Would look like a bit of filler IMO.

Yeah same, Midnight is going to be SPLENDID though

[blaatschaap]

How did this person find this out???

They didn't find out shit. There is no time travel element to midnight. No clue why people are misunderstanding this

[Fahrad Wagner]

Huh. Did they make the same mistake as Wagner did, or were we too quick to dismiss the idea that Midnight is a time-travel expansion?

Something definitely happened there, I listened to Metzen again and he doesn't mention time travel, so either some of us got confused by the "return back to" + "tribes" combo, or we're missing something?

[MCMLXXXII]

But that's exactly why they had to reveal Midnight and The Last Titan, TWW feels like a huge patch more than a proper XPAC. And despite announcing 3 of them, it still felt underwhelming.
Metzen promised me something epic : It was just anduin whining in the sand.

As a complete trilogy, I do think it's epic. But just tWW, not really.

[Fahrad Wagner]

As a complete trilogy, I do think it's epic. But just tWW, not really.

Yeah it works better as a trilogy and they probably were aware of that! I'm really excited for the nerubian and xal'atath lore though