The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[MCMLXXXII]

The whole "filler expansion" thing is just bullshit the community came up with. There's not actually such a thing.

And TWW goes directly into a Void expansion when the Nerubians have a deal with Xal'atath, so there's a clear narrative connection already.


Seems more like they realised a single expansion simply isn't enough to tell a proper story, so they deliberately stretched it out over several. TWW is then act 1, Midnight is act 2, TLT is act 3.

Calling TWW filler is then like calling the first third of LotR filler. You don't go full ham in the first act.

I know it's a change in philosophy but we used to get act 1, 2 and 3 in one expansion. I'm sorry but I do feel underwhelmed for paying 50 bucks for just act 1

[Sondrelk]

Something definitely happened there, I listened to Metzen again and he doesn't mention time travel, so either some of us got confused by the "return back to" + "tribes" combo, or we're missing something?

Honestly, I think it's just the useage of "old world" that probably threw people off.
To the people who have wanted a world revamp of some description for a long time that phrase means world revamp, though coupling it with what I assume to be a joke on how long it has been since Silvermoon was relevant probably threw some people off as they took it more literally.

[shade3891]

How did this person find this out???

Presskit at Blizzard.com

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So did anyone see those pillars?

[zirr]

Yeah, real underwhelming to be given three expansion announcements at once.

/s

Lol are you for real? What more do you want?

3 expansion announcements where 2 where just a name drop and a slight hint at the story (WHICH IM HYPED FOR!).

What I want is some big feature like player housing or whatever.

[LemonDemonGirl]

I mean, it might also be subject to change when they announce Midnight. They could just be referring to Night Elves, High Elves, Blood Elves, Void Elves, Nightborne... basically we have to unify EVERY Elf on the planet.

Maybe trolls too, but then again, I don't think the Amani would lift a finger to help even if the world was at stake.

Please Blizzard, don't Villain-bat the trolls. It's bad enough most named troll characters are dead.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Honestly, I think it's just the useage of "old world" that probably threw people off.
To the people who have wanted a world revamp of some description for a long time that phrase means world revamp, though coupling it with what I assume to be a joke on how long it has been since Silvermoon was relevant probably threw some people off as they took it more literally.

That makes sense!

[zirr]

"No big feature" idk I would consider the heroic class talents a big feature. It is literally class skins.
Did you see the example they showed of how for warrior it makes their skills lightning infused? Their stormbolt is aoe now even. And 3 per class, 2 per spec, gunna be interesting to see what they all are. I am very nervous but also excited for warlock...
I want my fucking metamorph back...

We were always going to get new talents, so I dont see it as a big feature. I do still think it can be an absolute W with them being focused on class identity, just not a big feature.

[huth]

I know it's a change in philosophy but we used to get act 1, 2 and 3 in one expansion. I'm sorry but I do feel underwhelmed for paying 50 bucks for just act 1

You're still getting a full expansion. It's just not the full narrative.

If you're buying a doorstopper released in 3 volumes, you're not paying the price of a single book for it either.

[LemonDemonGirl]

Wild guess ahead of time: the race for Midnight will be "Sunwell Humans" similar to Anveena.

Naga would be better but I can see that happening.

Would be cool but, don't we already have a Light-infused race?

[huth]

We were always going to get new talents, so I dont see it as a big feature. I do still think it can be an absolute W with them being focused on class identity, just not a big feature.

I think the issue is that you're not getting things you told yourself absolutely must happen. It's not that there's any issue with what is coming, but that your expectations were totally off.

Warbands and Delves definitely seem to be more significant features, too. Solo open world adventuring being recognised as an officiall progression track seems rather significant.

[Xilurm]

Wonder what Varodoc thinks about the new Alleria look.

[FelPlague]

We were always going to get new talents, so I dont see it as a big feature. I do still think it can be an absolute W with them being focused on class identity, just not a big feature.

It's more then new talents, because these talents have an effect over your entire class, plus it's a new section, not just more added to your spec.

So now you have.

Your class talents
Your spec talents
And your choice of 2 heroic talent trees

[MCMLXXXII]

Wonder what Varodoc thinks about the new Alleria look.

I do not. But we all already know the answer anyways.

[zirr]

I think the issue is that you're not getting things you told yourself absolutely must happen. It's not that there's any issue with what is coming, but that your expectations were totally off.

Warbands and Delves definitely seem to be more significant features, too. Solo open world adventuring being recognised as an officiall progression track seems rather significant.

I dont disagree, I did try to keep my expectations low but metzen hyped me up :P.

Delves isnt a new feature really, is it? we've had similar stuff before and just to be clear, I fucking LOVE these, I think DF not having any of these "scenarios" is such a missed opportunity. I really look forward to having them as an evergreen feature, but again, not a big NEW feature imo.

Warbands is nice sure, but I pretty much only play 1 or at most 2 classes anyway so its not something big for me.

[Auxis]

I wonder if Quel'thalas will be just the zones of that kingdom, or if it will include all of EK, or maybe include Lordaeron too? Was Lordaeron Originally Elf land at any point? If so I could see the top half of EK being revamped. Or it may just be Quel with a few new zones added.

IIRC the elves that would found Quel'thalas landed in Tirisfal. They eventually started being affected by the whispers of the c'thraxxi general in Tyr's Tomb, so they migrated further up the coast and settled in Eversong Woods. I think the southern-most Quel'thalas settlement is a high elf tower on the north coast of Eastern Plague Lands or the ranger lodge in EPL.

[Sondrelk]

I do not. But we all already know the answer anyways.

He already switched his profile picture to the new concept art.

[zirr]

It's more then new talents, because these talents have an effect over your entire class, plus it's a new section, not just more added to your spec.

So now you have.

Your class talents
Your spec talents
And your choice of 2 heroic talent trees

Yes and I do think I will love this, but I don't see it as a new BIG feature.

[Viridiel]

I'm not sure why some people are under the impression we won't have full expansions. Just because there's a large overarching theme doesn't mean the individual stories in each expansion won't have a fulfilling narrative with several major content patches exploring areas and concepts we haven't been told about.

[Teriz]

Hmm sad to see the conversation devolve into this. I believe the content looks good. People wanted Xal, they’re getting Xal. People wanted Nerubians, they’re getting Nerubians. People wanted Void and Void elf content, they’re getting it. Kind of wild that people are complaining.

Also, and those hero talents are going to be an incredible way to further customize your chosen class. If Blizzard can keep up with the patch cycle (as they somewhat demonstrated with Dragonflight) we got some good times ahead. I think it’s a time to celebrate imo.

[Jaggler]

Yes and I do think I will love this, but I don't see it as a new BIG feature.

The problem with these "big features" like f.e. Garrisons, Artifacts or the Heart of Azeroth is, that they may be big, but they are "throwaways" destined to be gone after one expansion. Blizzard currently is about introducing evergreen features, that can carry over multiple expansions, but for that to be attainable they have to be a bit more manageable in scale.

It's a product of the philosophy shift between the Legion-BfA-SL era to DF and beyond.