The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Izalla]

I have to say, I find it weird they are doing Nerubians now given that they will be doing Northrend Revamp. They could have done the same concept and used Qiraji instead.

Plot twist: the Qiraji will feature in The Last Titan instead.

[Nymrohd]

So who is singing to Thrall and Anduin? Anduin should know about the world soul since he was around for BFA and talked to Magni. He shouldn't have to ask who it is unless he has reason to believe it's not Azeroth. Isn't one of the Old God whispers about how "her song is our song" or something? Alleria is experiencing the same thing but hers is clearly the void. Hopefully Alleria is experiencing something that is actually different and isn't just seeing the true nature of the "song" because she is so close to the void.

The world soul is at least partially corrupted so Alleria probably is listening to the corrupted part of Azeroth.

[Supertoster]

I have to say, I find it weird they are doing Nerubians now given that they will be doing Northrend Revamp. They could have done the same concept and used Qiraji instead.

They did not say anything about Northrend Revamp. Metzen only said that in Last Titan we will go to Ulduar in Northrend and deal with some kind of Titan conspiracy.

[Marlamin]

I have to say, I find it weird they are doing Nerubians now given that they will be doing Northrend Revamp. They could have done the same concept and used Qiraji instead.

It's smart, they're spreading the upgrading of kits out across expansions. The Tuskarr and Titan kits got an upgrade in Dragonflight, Nerubians in The War Within and that point you'll already have half the revamped Northrend kits done and ready to go.

[KurtMash]

Not that I was a fan of Avaloren at all, but they could've just done the same and call it Avaloren in stead of Khaz Algar.

If the only thing different would be the name, people's reaction would be exactly the same as it is now. But the expectation behind Avaloren was completely different, especially after the 4-screenshots leak.

[vintage79]

SO GUYS AND GIRLS HOW we feelin today? huh?

I rewatched whole wow panels (classic+ cata- and a WORDSOUL SAGA )

And I will say this: I like it more and MORE

Classic+
lone hunter? heal mage?! WARLOCK METAPORPH TANK?!?! -> hell yeah - Sign me in!

World Soul Saga:
1. Shorter expansion - W
2. New Zones - BIG W I rly like themes, etc
3. Heritage / Warband - BIG W - finally!!!
4. Unlimited Transmog - W
5. Solo end game content - BIG W! (I don't always have: time, willingness, patience - to look for / play with other ppl)
like I said before - I'm huge fan of: challenge modes, visions, torghast, etc
ofc some1 will say:
''bro - its a damn mmo - if u wona play single player go play - i dont know - cyberpunk''
Well, Yes but actually NO*

Cata-
I rly wona see the '#changes'



LETS GO


I still don't think it was the opening cinematic of the first expansion
(although there is little action in it - it is a masterfully made - RTX ON)







*
I dont have a problem with clearing HC raid (or Mythic from time to time) or all +20 (or 22,23 whatever)
but the amount of time wasted during FINDING any descent ppl (regardles of rio bullshit or other metrics) is insane and I mean - INSANE

*no 20*
bro u need to do +20 before getting invite to 20
*done 20*
sory 'only meta club'
sign /decline
sing /decline
etc
bro u playing (any non-canon spec) bro WTF
*meanwhile spriests dhs rouges doin clownfiesta but HEY 'we are meta'*

[blaatschaap]

Don't forget the war within Alleria

I'm also expecting themes of faction-internal strife

[Izalla]

The world soul is at least partially corrupted so Alleria probably is listening to the corrupted part of Azeroth.

If they hadn't showed her as a glowing gold sun and kept it hidden where the voice was coming from I would guess maybe the "singing" only happens when the world soul gets temporarily void flipped (assuming the crystal in the ceiling is related to the world soul) and that it relates to "the King of Diamonds has been made a pawn" but who knows?

[micwini]

Just a funny observation; for the past few weeks I've seen some people arguing here that Blizzard would never add Avaloren to the game because it was only mentioned very briefly in the game. Now Khaz Algar is added with about the same build up and its a-okay because it's underground?

I'm certain you would be looking at the same reaction as if Avaloren was announced if they just revealed this expansion and didn't reveal the wider scope of the saga.

[Dracullus]

There are many possibilities to be honest. But I think most of us agree we are looking at last 3 traditional expansions for 2004 game. Something that probably Blizzard imagined as Sargeras/Burning Legion expansion when they started WoW.

What's after that? I think at least level squish and totally down to the earth chapter, most likely in new EK/Kalimdor. But I start to believe it won't be 14.0, but true WoW 2 with new engine and hard reset.

That's why I doubt these will be some short 1 year expacs. I think Blizzard thought about many expansions in advance for 2 reasons:

a) lore - now we will feel we are experiencing really important events, underground expansion alone would have "sigh, another continent" reaction
b) buy themself time, making WoW 2 won't take 2 years, more like 5-6 at least.

If I have to guess right now:
1) The War Within - October 2024
2) Blizzcon 2024 - TWW patches
3) Blizzcon 2025 - MD features reveal
4) Midnight - April 2026
5) Blizzcon 2026 - TLT features reveal
6) The Last Titan - October 2027
7) Blizzcon 2027 - TLT patches, teasing end of WoW
8) Patch 13.2 and final raid of World of Warcraft - November 2028, 25th anniversary.
9) Blizzcon right after that, with World of Warcraft 2 reveal.
10) Around 2030 - WoW 2 release.

Oof, I got carried away.

[Well Done Steak]

After the world soul saga, it'll be the 'cosmic saga.

Basically what the jailor warned us about.

We still have 5 zeriths left to visit.

[Izalla]

It's smart, they're spreading the upgrading of kits out across expansions. The Tuskarr and Titan kits got an upgrade in Dragonflight, Nerubians in The War Within and that point you'll already have half the revamped Northrend kits done and ready to go.

Confirmation they have been updating assests with the need for the future revamp in mind all along! Weren't dwarves the last race that didn't have a plethora of updated or even just modern assets for their buildings and stuff yet?

[blaatschaap]

It's smart, they're spreading the upgrading of kits out across expansions. The Tuskarr and Titan kits got an upgrade in Dragonflight, Nerubians in The War Within and that point you'll already have half the revamped Northrend kits done and ready to go.

This guy gets it. The updated elven boats means they are already doing work that will help them for Midnight, that is 3 years out at least. They definitely are moving with purpose as Metzen said. They have a good plan

[Sondrelk]

I'm certain you would be looking at the same reaction as if Avaloren was announced if they just revealed this expansion and didn't reveal the wider scope of the saga.

This is definitely a big part of it I imagine. If we just got Khaz Algar and it looked like it would just be another two year expansion it probably would have been trashed.
Knowing that its both likely going to be shorter, and that its mostly buildup helps immensely.

[Izalla]

@Marlamin also don't forget the vrykul from Legion and the Scourge from Shadowlands!

[Stonecloak]

Don't forget the war within Alleria

I almost did lol. Definitely, Alleria as well. It makes a lot of sense that Thrall is the voice of reason here too, that worked out beautifully, and while big banger epic trailers are fun, the reason this trailer is at the top of my list is because the emotion displayed was incredibly well done (emotional phobist begone!) Some sort of link and connection I believe is what we really enjoy in media. Of course, the game is fun, but without the story substance it's like a sandwich with no meat, at least imho. Some just care about the game, that's fine. I need more than that, I need a purpose.

[blaatschaap]

I do not really mind shorter expacs. I would mind if they do not keep their promises made about delves and gearing progression.

I don't think the expansions will be lighter on content than SL or DF, I think the goal is to eliminate the final stretch drought. Have three 6 month seasons and then straight into the next part of the saga. We will likely never see 4 raid expansions again. Which I'm okay with.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

now that i look back.. anyone else getting a 'shadowlands' or 'BFA' vibe from the sheer aesthetic of the expansion and its gameplay features?

[Xilurm]

Personally I think the TWW cinematic is one of the best, up there alongside the Wrath and WoD cinematics.

[blaatschaap]

now that i look back.. anyone else getting a 'shadowlands' or 'BFA' vibe from the sheer aesthetic of the expansion and its gameplay features?

Only the arathi zone reminds me vaguely of revendreth, and even that is a stretch. So not really, no, not in terms of gameplay features either. BFA was a trainwreck in terms of systems. Shadowlands had the whole ripcord fiasco. This doesn't have any of these burdens, looks like. DF fixed that part of the game dev mindset