The War Within 11.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Chickat]

Why do people keep saying this as if it's true.

Evokers are literally based on the 5 dragonflights and their heroic characters Alexstraza, Kalecgos, Chromie, Ysera, and others. They hardly came from nowhere.

There's no such equivalent with Bards in WoW, so yes they would come out of nowhere.

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Hmph, no one was with me when I said we were getting an underground expansion.

I mean we didnt get it at all like you said though. No undermine. No tinker. You got the basics right but thats it. Im all for your ideas, just not how hard headed you can be when discussing them.

Anyways, it will be a massive waste of potential and opportunity if they don't release tinkers/artificers in 13.0.

[Nymrohd]

So..... do we think the Five Naaru who taught the first Human priests about the Light through visions are stuck in the Hallowsfall crystal?

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Mereldar

Well I did keep mentioning Mereldar because she'd make so much sense to be there in some form (Lightforged like Turalyon maybe). Honestly I think either they are there and they contacted her through the crystal or the crystal is the Prime of their line like X'era was to O'ros

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Just realized we should be bound for a race by the time Midnight hits. Given the Elf theme, any ideas?

Spellbreaker?

A spellbreaker/spellblade would be so nice to have assuming you mean class.

[Teriz]

I mean we didnt get it at all like you said though. No undermine. No tinker. You got the basics right but thats it. Im all for your ideas, just not how hard headed you can be when discussing them.

Eh, I always said a new class in 11.0 was a long shot, and that an underground expansion would be weird without Undermine, and it is. I don't work for Blizzard, so I'm never going to get every little detail. However, I will say that I'm quite glad that we're heading underground to protect the world soul (as I predicted) instead of going to Avaloren for "reasons". The game is better off for it.

Anyways, it will be a massive waste of potential and opportunity if they don't release tinkers/artificers in 13.0.

We'll see when they decide to slot them in. As I've always said about that class, it isn't a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when".

[KyleEverett]

Looking through the press kit I found Princess Talanji just hanging out in the Azj-Kahet area.

That's Queen Talanji to you peasant. :P

[Nymrohd]

I am guessing they used her as a scale model cause wtf is she doing down there

[KyleEverett]

I am guessing they used her as a scale model cause wtf is she doing down there

Just random speculation, she is someone who can commune with spirits easily. Perhaps she is one of the ones who responds to Azeroth's call?

[Nibelheimy]

That's Queen Talanji to you peasant. :P

Damn I must have that new expansion general memory loss

[KyleEverett]

Damn I must have that new expansion general memory loss

You're fine. She was only crowned in the Zandalari allied race unlock.

[Kiria]

I can honestly see Undermine being a patch during TWW and if Tinkers don't come with that the door has essentially closed for them, for some weird reason also people are saying they feel these last 3 expansions will be the last before Blizz decide to move onto a WoW2, whats made people feel this as I'm sure Mr Metzen said that they want to do 10 more years of content after these 3 expansions.

[Fahrad Wagner]

xD so Fahrad whats your thoughts about blizzcon and wow?

I'm very excited about the trilogy/World Soul saga, extremely happy Metzen is back, excited for TWW overall, a little disappointed a large revamp is not happening at the time and confused on what Midnight is actually going to revamp in EK (if it's just Quel'Thalas, that might get old quick, even by building it from scratch to make it a much larger map) and The Last Titan in Northrend (are they going to redo the whole continent or just swap textures and doodads?). Somewhat concerned as to what will happen to WoW after 13.0 too, will we continue onto 14.0 with a new saga? will we have a soft reboot? or will we have a new game entirely?

Many many many questions remain, but overall I'm excited and I thought that was an epic announcement (even though I've found the deepdive panel to be quite light, and I miss that we're not having art-dedicated panels anymore, those were always my favourite). Also I'm not mad at the Earthen AR, they're cool, but I think they should have been an Alliance AR and Horde should have gotten their own. That and I really hope those humanoid Nerubians become playable too (the same way I hope Tuskarrs will be by the end of DF... one can dream)!

Out of the three Midnight is the expansion I'm the most excited about (can you imagine? me being excited about a Void expansion?) so they must me doing something right

Also even though we didn't get our World Revamp (YET), I'm very happy for the people who were rooting for an underground expansion! It's going to be a nice theme to explore and I'm glad that at least some of us got (almost) exactly what they were asking for!

[Darkarath]

I'm very excited about the trilogy/World Soul saga, extremely happy Metzen is back, excited for TWW overall, a little disappointed a large revamp is not happening at the time and confused on what Midnight is actually going to revamp in EK (if it's just Quel'Thalas, that might get old quick, even by building it from scratch to make it a much larger map) and The Last Titan in Northrend (are they going to redo the whole continent or just swap textures and doodads?). Somewhat concerned as to what will happen to WoW after 13.0 too, will we continue onto 14.0 with a new saga? will we have a soft reboot? or will we have a new game entirely?

Many many many questions remain, but overall I'm excited and I thought that was an epic announcement (even though I've found the deepdive panel to be quite light, and I miss that we're not having art-dedicated panels anymore, those were always my favourite). Also I'm not mad at the Earthen AR, they're cool, but I think they should have been an Alliance AR and Horde should have gotten their own. That and I really hope those humanoid Nerubians become playable too (the same way I hope Tuskarrs will be by the end of DF... one can dream)!

Out of the three Midnight is the expansion I'm the most excited about (can you imagine? me being excited about a Void expansion?) so they must me doing something right

Also even though we didn't get our World Revamp (YET), I'm very happy for the people who were rooting for an underground expansion! It's going to be a nice theme to explore and I'm glad that at least some of us got (almost) exactly what they were asking for!

I think that after the Worldsoul saga WoW will start anew with the following changes:

- All content is still available through CoT or a similar system.

- All achievements are under a tab of Old Content.

- All collectibles are under a tab of Old Collectibles and just usable in old zones.

- 14.0 is a soft reboot. Not a world revamp but just another expansion continent under a completely new map, with a timeskip of probably at least 50 years.

- From 14.0 on, they could revisit any zone as they would be completely different because of the time skip and because chances are that Azeroth is born in the Final Titan expansion. This will be an event of similar consequences as the destruction of the World Stone in Diablo 2, so everything would go to shit basically.

They have already stated that they will do more WoW expansions after the Worldsoul saga so a soft reboot would be inevitable.

Anyway, I have to say that after the Deep Dive I feel much better about the game. Ion just explain things in a way that make them look much better, at least to my eyes.

Still a bit dissapointed with shorter expansions and with paying more for less content. Still a bit dissapointed with no world revamp. But with WoW I know that my money would always be well spent as I play way too much.

BTW I think that within 11.0 we will visit Harrowsden (Iridikron's lair), as it is an underground zone that fits the theme and would contain a raid in which we will end Iridikron.

[Golden Yak]

I think they could probably cram enough into Quel'Thalas to get an expansion out of it - there's all that terrain that was never developed. Plus if the Void is making an incursion, we'll hopefully get to actually visit that realm. Lots of potential for extradimensional goodness.

And I hope a return to Northrend will involve delving into the underworld there, if War Within proves the concept can work on a large scale. The new nerubian zone is nice, but I also want Azjol-Nerub itself to be expanded.

For a future saga... well, if we come into conflict with the Titans, it could mean that Sargeras uses the opportunity to get free. There's also potential grief from the cosmic powers of Life, Disorder, and... well, let's face it, the First Ones.

[Viridiel]

Looking through the press kit I found Princess Talanji just hanging out in the Azj-Kahet area.

- https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...image=OWETA:78

Please let that be a hint that we'll finally see the primordial trolls we were promised in Dragonflight. I don't think they told us anything about that area other than its inhabitants have managed to go unbothered by the Nerubians.

[Nymrohd]

I'd assume they will want to seed many future plots. Maybe Odyn survives the drama as we take down Aman'thul and vows revenge on the mortal races. I think Azshara will survive as well. We will have Avaloren. More Void Lords are likely to be introduced. Sargeras will probably be free with the Pantheon split and I guess some of their members will be against us; e.g. Norgannon could return to Zereth Ordos and be a future antagonist (I think we will have at least Aggramar and Eonar on our side). And maybe there will be more things unveiled; the Hunger of Galakrond (and I guess Wratheye and the Gnolls) could alert whatever rules Decay.

[Auxis]

So, why is there a 2 week gap between the second last and last wings in LFR raids? Is there a reason for why they do that?

[vintage79]

I'm very excited about the trilogy/World Soul saga, extremely happy Metzen is back, excited for TWW overall, a little disappointed a large revamp is not happening at the time and confused on what Midnight is actually going to revamp in EK (if it's just Quel'Thalas, that might get old quick, even by building it from scratch to make it a much larger map) and The Last Titan in Northrend (are they going to redo the whole continent or just swap textures and doodads?). Somewhat concerned as to what will happen to WoW after 13.0 too, will we continue onto 14.0 with a new saga? will we have a soft reboot? or will we have a new game entirely?

Many many many questions remain, but overall I'm excited and I thought that was an epic announcement (even though I've found the deepdive panel to be quite light, and I miss that we're not having art-dedicated panels anymore, those were always my favourite). Also I'm not mad at the Earthen AR, they're cool, but I think they should have been an Alliance AR and Horde should have gotten their own. That and I really hope those humanoid Nerubians become playable too (the same way I hope Tuskarrs will be by the end of DF... one can dream)!

Out of the three Midnight is the expansion I'm the most excited about (can you imagine? me being excited about a Void expansion?) so they must me doing something right

Also even though we didn't get our World Revamp (YET), I'm very happy for the people who were rooting for an underground expansion! It's going to be a nice theme to explore and I'm glad that at least some of us got (almost) exactly what they were asking for!

that's the spirit!!


Im excited too!



As for revamp, I think they will simply change Azeroth piece by piece (also cool)

But I actually have a lot of questions about how they will 'bite it'

In the case of Northrend they will probably replace the entire continent
In the case of Quel'thalas it is not so obvious and simple


Of course, I don't believe that they will leave everything 'as it was'.



And I 'remembered' something else while rewatching WoW: The War Within cinematic:


well done blizzard well done

Will Azeroth end up like old dalaran ?

[Lorca]

I remember how a lot of people was saying that the "allied races" concept was definitely dead after BfA, and that we wouldn't ever see allied races again... but now the Earthens are coming into the picture under the "allied races" name, so... I guess (hope, mostly) that we get more allied races on the next expansion, and at the same time I am thinking that now we have real chances of getting some of the DF races as allied races before this expansion ends!

[Chickat]

Yeah in Early to Mid September. After Toweliee's leak in late September I shifted towards an underground expansion. Most folks here were saying Void, Revamp, or Avaloren up to the very end. In fact I got quite a bit of hell for saying Ka'resh wasn't happening and Avloren was too soon to be an expansion location throughout the month of October.

It's cool, general memory loss is what typically happens in threads like these after the reveal of new features.

Ill give you that one. I still think it wouldn't have been a problem, but obviously Blizzard agreed with you.

[Nymrohd]

So, why is there a 2 week gap between the second last and last wings in LFR raids? Is there a reason for why they do that?

They changed the LFR release schedule completely. It used to be that EVERY wing had a week gap. This time they are releasing most of the raid and only timegating Fyrakk. As for why, I assume so FnF guilds who progress on Normal actually have a chance to get to Fyrakk before it becomes available to LFR. It is still a few weeks earlier than LFR would have usually gotten the entire raid.

[Chickat]

I hope they see the potential of the Old World and give it at least one last shot before the end.

I mean, look at WW and all these dull zones no one heard about before... the only interesting one is Azj-Kahet, and that's only because of Azjol-Nerub IMO.

Meanwhile, we have countless zones in Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms filled with playable race stories and charismatic known threats lore stuck in the past and enough space to develop new stories and threats... BUT NO! Let's venture into yet another tiny made-up place...

Idk, I think the new zones look really good. Best looking zones since BFA for myself personally.